Why do people on here and sm say there's no war footage? Just a question because I feel there is a ton of combate footage.

Cool. Name another. Afghanistan was an anomaly.

You use the exception to claim that the rule doesn't apply at all.

Same thing abortionists use to argue that all baby murder should be okay.

It's a bad argument.

Anyone who knows a little of military history knows Russia's reputation and how they earned it.

There's plenty of footage online/elsewhere, but as for myself, I personally find the footage disgusting to post on an internet message board where folks get some sort of sick serotonin kick out of watching men get killed/maimed who are not on 'their team' and then celebrate it as though it's a football pick six or something. Thankfully, we don't have such here on this thread, though some footage can't be avoided at times.

⚡️🇺🇦"The grim reality of Ukraine, which NATO insiders are only willing to talk about anonymously"

The German publication Die Welt today publishes a sad analysis of the situation on the battlefield for Kiev: "Not a single Western military official expects Ukraine to achieve its… pic.twitter.com/bRRoZanyfZ

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) July 30, 2024

Syrsky has really been laying out increased RU forces in theater of late:

⚡️🇷🇺Big if true, from Condottiero channel:
At Zelensky’s headquarters yesterday in the Kharkov region, Syrsky voiced one very interesting thing - the Russian Armed Forces are increasing the number of troops in the Ukrainian theater of operations by 150-170 thousand people every…

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) July 30, 2024

Sitrep of sorts relative to changes:

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Cool. Name another. Afghanistan was an anomaly.

You use the exception to claim that the rule doesn't apply at all.

Same thing abortionists use to argue that all baby murder should be okay.

It's a bad argument.

Anyone who knows a little of military history knows Russia's reputation and how they earned it.

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What examples do you have in mind?

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Cool. Name another. Afghanistan was an anomaly.

You use the exception to claim that the rule doesn't apply at all.

Same thing abortionists use to argue that all baby murder should be okay.

It's a bad argument.

Anyone who knows a little of military history knows Russia's reputation and how they earned it.

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Name a near peer war they've won with this method you describe in the past 75 years, This description of you have of Russia in modern warfare is a complete and total myth based on nothing.

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Name a near peer war they've won with this method you describe in the past 75 years, This description of you have of Russia in modern warfare is a complete and total myth based on nothing.

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I notice your date selection with interest. Because you at least know the last time this doctrine worked was when they ground the German Vermacht into dust!

Or do you hold the idea that is was we (Britain and the US that were the primary ones to defeat the German army?)

This is so clear to me.

I can't really figure out if you are really not very intelligent in this arena. Or are benefiting from this action or are truly myopic and deceived!

This is so simple, the idea that Russia is not in control of this war, and are basically using their traditional, 'grind them down' war of attrition tactics is to be either 1. Stupid, or 2. arrogant or 3 both.

They are simply not in a hurry, They know time is on their side, they know there will come a time the US says "enough of this" and we are not going to put our boots on the ground.(At least I pray so, none of mine are going to answer any call to fight in Ukraine, I can promise you that)

History is on their side, Which history. OUR HISTORY. We are not a patient grind it out type of people. Vietnam proved that.

Furthermore they a simply grinding Ukraine down. They are neutralizing our tech advantage and they are basically eating up western financial resources. The cost of everything has gone up especially energy.

Now add the moral dilemma.

The west is spiralling into decadence that would make Rome blush. (olympic opening ceremony having Lebron James as our 'flag bearer" We are allowing and bringing in millions of immigrants while blocking those who would actually come here legally and add skills. (My own daugther in law from Indonesia, married to a Special Forces, decorated veteran - had her visit visa denied)

We just came within a eyelash of entering into a possible hot civil war. (that could still happen by the way!)

The gay agenda, the green agenda, trans agenda. The destruction of the nuclear family in the west as "decadent antichrist' run things behind the scenes. Paid rioters to protest on behalf of 'get this' the HAMAS.

Putin is a saint compared to many of our 'leaders'. There is a reason Hungry is considering pulling out of NATO.

The eastern bloc is totally against the forced migration of millions of Muslim.

Wake up sir! We are not what we once were, in any way.

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Name a near peer war they've won with this method you describe in the past 75 years, This description of you have of Russia in modern warfare is a complete and total myth based on nothing.

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I notice your date selection with interest. Because you at least know the last time this doctrine worked was when they ground the German Vermacht into dust!

Or do you hold the idea that is was we (Britain and the US that were the primary ones to defeat the German army?)

This is so clear to me.

I can't really figure out if you are really not very intelligent in this arena. Or are benefiting from this action or are truly myopic and deceived!

This is so simple, the idea that Russia is not in control of this war, and are basically using their traditional, 'grind them down' war of attrition tactics is to be either 1. Stupid, or 2. arrogant or 3 both.

They are simply not in in hurry, They time is on their side, they know there will come a time the US says "enough of this" and we are not going to put our boots on the ground.

History is on their side, Which history. OUR HISTORY. We are not a patient grind it out type of people. Vietnam proved that.

Furthermore they a simply grinding Ukraine down. They are neutralizing our tech advantage and they are basically eating up western financial resources. The cost of everything has gone up especially energy.

Now add the moral dilema.

The west is spiralling into decadence that would make Rome blush. We are allowing and bringing in millions of immigrants while blocking those who would actually come here legally and add skills. (My own daugther in law from Indonesia, married to a Special Forces, decorated veteran - had her visit visa denied)

We just came within a eyelash of entering into a possible hot civil war.

The gay agenda, the green agenda, trans agenda. The desturction of the nuclear family in the west as "decadent antichrist' run things behind the scenes.

Putin is a saint compared to main of our 'leader'. There is a reason Hungry is considering pulling out of NATO.

The eastern bloc is totally against the forced migration of millions of Muslim.

Wake up sir! We are not what we once were, in any way.

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So you don't have a single example in the past 75 years? Thanks!

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This is so simple, the idea that Russia is not in control of this war, and are basically using their traditional, 'grind them down' war of attrition tactics is to be either 1. Stupid, or 2. arrogant or 3 both.

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Like they did in Afghanistan?

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So you don't have a single example in the past 75 years? Thanks!

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Yea, I do, Vietnam, and recently Afghanistan. We had massive tech advantage in both veneus. Lost both venues.

You can't just look at Russia.

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So you don't have a single example in the past 75 years? Thanks!

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Yea, I do, Vietnam, and recently Afghanistan. We had massive tech advantage in both veneus. Lost both venues.

You can't just look at Russia.

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I"m not asking about us. I'm asking about Russia and the myth of their resolve. When have you seen it in a neer peer conflict in the past 75 years.

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Like they did in Afghanistan?

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As we did as well! Or did we win there? At least the Russian didn't abandon millions of dollars and equip their enemy.

Again your myopic point of view is showing.

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Like they did in Afghanistan?

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As we did as well! Or did we win there? At least the Russian didn't abandon millions of dollars and equip their enemy.

Again your myopic point of view is showing.

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Still waiting.... just more deflection. Why can't Russia show us anything? Why are they always telling us what they are going to do instead of actually doing it?

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Cool. Name another. Afghanistan was an anomaly.

You use the exception to claim that the rule doesn't apply at all.

Same thing abortionists use to argue that all baby murder should be okay.

It's a bad argument.

Anyone who knows a little of military history knows Russia's reputation and how they earned it.

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Devastating

It sounds like a few MLU Block 15 F-16A's are being used/flown in secondary air defense in western Ukraine as predicted, not some sort of game changers employed for ground attack missions/SEAD etc.

What air defense doing? https://t.co/EXshKWw4BW

— ayden (@squatsons) July 29, 2024

F-16s went from game changer to secondary air defense like that 🫰🏻

Months behind schedule and won’t change a thing.

— ayden (@squatsons) July 29, 2024

Go figure.

I am curious, and I'm not attacking you, but why are you so emotional and defensive on this thread? Do you have some personal connection to either Ukraine or Soviets / Russia that elicit such emotional knee jerk reactions? OPAG obviously put time and thought into the discussion on this thread and you come off as someone that either won't or can't digest what he is discussing. I don't think he posted anything that was personally attacking you, but it seems like you took offense to him instead of engaging with him. I am not on this site all the time, and may have missed something, but I am genuinely interested in why or what about this topic sets you off to this extent?

The Russians haven't fought a full scale ware with a near peer adversary, those being NATO, Japan, South Korea, or China thankfully.

The Russians were punched in the mouth and nose by China during their border skirmishes in 1969.

The Russian's lost the first Chechen war, but then demonstrate resolve and grind what was left of Grozny after the '96 war into dust in during renewed war in 1999-2000. After the major combat phase they fight an active insurgency until the late 2000's. They wind down that insurgency between active fighting and paying off insurgents to join their side or not fight, leading to their current puppet Kadyrov.

The Georgia invasion of 2008 would have to be viewed as successful for Russia and the lack of military response from US/NATO created the roadmap for bigger push into Crimea/Donbass 2014, and then full invasion in 2022. It did expose logistical issues within the Russian army which weren't fixed and still haven't been fixed in Ukraine.

The Russians in 2022 tried both Chechnya war approaches with similar results against Ukraine. In Donbass, Kherson, Zaporhizia - they had their little green men inflitrate, identify targets, push propaganda etc. and were more successful. On the advances to Kiev, Kharkiv, and Sumy where they tried brute force they were soundly beaten back.

The Russians have advanced their aerial/land drone warfare, demonstrated ability to use rocket artillery, and greatly improved time between target identification and artillery rounds sent downrange. US forces will have to unlearn decades of bureaucratic approval processes from GWOT for artillery/air strikes. Russian combined arms maneuver element is critically hamstrung by inadequate supply chain, and can be blunted by prepared defenses that are mined (mines are a weakness of NATO / US who's left leaning politicians were turned by Russian efforts to remove mines and cluster munitions from arsenals because of human rights). Logistical delivery of supplies by US NATO is unmatched - but industrial production is not capable of supplying full sclae war at present. Russian air force is piss poor providing close air support and deep strike given the disparity in forces. How does Ukraine have any functional runways at this point? US NATO forces would have to unlearn flying racetracks in the sky waiting for fire support calls, and revert back to Lo/Lo/Lo mission profile - tbd if JDAM would work in EW environment that Russians are good at. Russian helicopters seem to be effective when employed, but subject to high attrition rates through a combination of AA/SAM and HIMARS targeting of bases - Apaches may be marginally more effective with their weapons and sensors but would be subject to high attrition as well. The Russians have shown their depravity and willingness to conduct total war against a populace targeting power plants, hospitals, and neighborhoods vs. the west that is hamstrung in that regard. They also have been sending their convicts and populace from the hinterlands to soak up the shrapnel. The Russian Navy, other than sub launched missiles, has either been sunk or is hiding in home port unable to interdict Ukrainian coast lines. TBD if US NAVY has capability to hold station with a fleet with the advent of naval drones combined with anti-ship missiles and also who if anyone can be a dominate naval force with the advent of this change in warfare.

All that said, the slow costly commitment to multi front advances has started to yield results for the Russians. But, they are also attempting to recruit from Moscow region now, and when Boris from the Block starts getting shipped home in a box or not at all is when public support will falter. TBD if the Russians or Ukrainians will cry uncle first.

I am not the one deflecting! Lol, you are being ignorantly myopic.

Russia is doing exactly what they want to do right now.

WAR OF ATTRITION.

Despite the stupid double mindedness of the west. (Oh Russia is going to over run Poland next) so we must support a very corrupt and broken Ukraine well just because.

Or your point it kills and weakens DRussia, with absolutely no thought of what it is costing Ukraine and us.

I am not allowing you to set your myopic (and wrong) point of view, just because you think you can set and focus the discussion to a fine point.

I and many others have answered your question, you just don't like the answer.

Let me say it again, Russia is no hurry, they know that they can win a prolonged war of attrition against Ukraine militarily and us politically.

That has definitely been proven in the last 75 years.

And has been done so by forces and countries much weaker than Russia.

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I am curious, and I'm not attacking you, but why are you so emotional and defensive on this thread? Do you have some personal connection to either Ukraine or Soviets / Russia that elicit such emotional knee jerk reactions? OPAG obviously put time and thought into the discussion on this thread and you come off as someone that either won't or can't digest what he is discussing. I don't think he posted anything that was personally attacking you, but it seems like you took offense to him instead of engaging with him. I am not on this site all the time, and may have missed something, but I am genuinely interested in why or what about this topic sets you off to this extent?

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He is overly zealous about killing as many Russians as possible. It is kinda weird.

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I am curious, and I'm not attacking you, but why are you so emotional and defensive on this thread? Do you have some personal connection to either Ukraine or Soviets / Russia that elicit such emotional knee jerk reactions? OPAG obviously put time and thought into the discussion on this thread and you come off as someone that either won't or can't digest what he is discussing. I don't think he posted anything that was personally attacking you, but it seems like you took offense to him instead of engaging with him. I am not on this site all the time, and may have missed something, but I am genuinely interested in why or what about this topic sets you off to this extent?

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What specifically about my post do you find "emotional"? I'm simply asking for an example of Russian military resolve in the past 75 years.

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The Russians haven't fought a full scale ware with a near peer adversary, those being NATO, Japan, South Korea, or China thankfully.

The Russians were punched in the mouth and nose by China during their border skirmishes in 1969.

The Russian's lost the first Chechen war, but then demonstrate resolve and grind what was left of Grozny after the '96 war into dust in during renewed war in 1999-2000. After the major combat phase they fight an active insurgency until the late 2000's. They wind down that insurgency between active fighting and paying off insurgents to join their side or not fight, leading to their current puppet Kadyrov.

The Georgia invasion of 2008 would have to be viewed as successful for Russia and the lack of military response from US/NATO created the roadmap for bigger push into Crimea/Donbass 2014, and then full invasion in 2022. It did expose logistical issues within the Russian army which weren't fixed and still haven't been fixed in Ukraine.

The Russians in 2022 tried both Chechnya war approaches with similar results against Ukraine. In Donbass, Kherson, Zaporhizia - they had their little green men inflitrate, identify targets, push propaganda etc. and were more successful. On the advances to Kiev, Kharkiv, and Sumy where they tried brute force they were soundly beaten back.

The Russians have advanced their aerial/land drone warfare, demonstrated ability to use rocket artillery, and greatly improved time between target identification and artillery rounds sent downrange. US forces will have to unlearn decades of bureaucratic approval processes from GWOT for artillery/air strikes. Russian combined arms maneuver element is critically hamstrung by inadequate supply chain, and can be blunted by prepared defenses that are mined (mines are a weakness of NATO / US who's left leaning politicians were turned by Russian efforts to remove mines and cluster munitions from arsenals because of human rights). Logistical delivery of supplies by US NATO is unmatched - but industrial production is not capable of supplying full sclae war at present. Russian air force is piss poor providing close air support and deep strike given the disparity in forces. How does Ukraine have any functional runways at this point? US NATO forces would have to unlearn flying racetracks in the sky waiting for fire support calls, and revert back to Lo/Lo/Lo mission profile - tbd if JDAM would work in EW environment that Russians are good at. Russian helicopters seem to be effective when employed, but subject to high attrition rates through a combination of AA/SAM and HIMARS targeting of bases - Apaches may be marginally more effective with their weapons and sensors but would be subject to high attrition as well. The Russians have shown their depravity and willingness to conduct total war against a populace targeting power plants, hospitals, and neighborhoods vs. the west that is hamstrung in that regard. They also have been sending their convicts and populace from the hinterlands to soak up the shrapnel. The Russian Navy, other than sub launched missiles, has either been sunk or is hiding in home port unable to interdict Ukrainian coast lines. TBD if US NAVY has capability to hold station with a fleet with the advent of naval drones combined with anti-ship missiles and also who if anyone can be a dominate naval force with the advent of this change in warfare.

All that said, the slow costly commitment to multi front advances has started to yield results for the Russians. But, they are also attempting to recruit from Moscow region now, and when Boris from the Block starts getting shipped home in a box or not at all is when public support will falter. TBD if the Russians or Ukrainians will cry uncle first.

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Let me say it again, Russia is no hurry, they know that they can win a prolonged war of attrition against Ukraine militarily and us politically.

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Like they did in Afghanistan? You can hand wave it away all you want, but it happened for all the world to see. They lacked resolve. They lost.

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So Russia wanted to lose 60% of what they gained in the first few months of the war, lost their fleet flagship, lost their best frontline officers and leaders and equipment, invigorated NATO spending and defense, etc. as part of their perfect master plan for this war?

You asked Ags4dawin a question. OPAG qupted the post containing the question, but really was asking a question regarding the date range, while providing his own perspective on the war. Your response "So you don't have a single example in the past 75 years?, Thanks" is an emotional retort in this context, ignoring his thought on the subject in order to point out that he didn't answer the question you asked Ags4dawin. I don't think you are dumb and missed the fact that OPAG had nothing to do with the original question, it just reads like a short sighted, emotional response to a guy that was not even part of the original question.

Another quarter in the "Nortex was right" jar. You wont brag but I noticed.

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It sounds like a few MLU Block 15 F-16A's are being used/flown in secondary air defense in western Ukraine as predicted, not some sort of game changers employed for ground attack missions/SEAD etc.

What air defense doing? https://t.co/EXshKWw4BW

— ayden (@squatsons) July 29, 2024

F-16s went from game changer to secondary air defense like that 🫰🏻

Months behind schedule and won’t change a thing.

— ayden (@squatsons) July 29, 2024

Go figure.

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Who here has said they will be "game changers"?

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You asked Ags4dawin a question. OPAG qupted the post containing the question, but really was asking a question regarding the date range, while providing his own perspective on the war. Your response "So you don't have a single example in the past 75 years?, Thanks" is an emotional retort in this context, ignoring his thought on the subject in order to point out that he didn't answer the question you asked Ags4dawin. I don't think you are dumb and missed the fact that OPAG had nothing to do with the original question, it just reads like a short sighted, emotional response to a guy that was not even part of the original question.

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The general theme of the dialogue was the myth of Russian resolve. I'm simply asking for examples to support that in modern conflict. No emotion necessary.

I am curious, and I'm not attacking you, but why are you so defensive on this thread? Do you have some personal connection to either Ukraine or Soviets / Russia that elicit such reactions? I am not on this site all the time, and may have missed something, but I am genuinely interested in why or what about this topic sets you off?

Russian breakthrough a 'matter of time.'

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European diplomats and the military no longer believe in frontline success of the Ukrainian army and expect a ceasefire agreement to be signed within six to nine months, Die Welt reported, citing its sources in Brussels.

"Practically no one in Brussels expects Ukraine to regain its lost territories. No one wants to speak about this, at least, officially," it said, citing its sources as saying that the developments in the zone of combat operations are "much worse" for Kiev than it is believed in the West. Russia's breaking through the second line of Ukraine's defenses is "just a matter of time," they said.

The Die Welt sources think that Kiev will fail to reach its declared goal of returning to the 2014 birders. European diplomats and the military anticipate that a ceasefire in the conflict zone will be declared within six to nine months, regardless of the outcome of the presidential election in the United States.

"In the current environment I see no other way out than a soonest ceasefire. Such a situation may last for years, with local ceasefire violation happening again and again," one of the sources said.

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Interesting this is coming out as the Democrats functionally punt on the 2024 election, and as 'wonder weapons' are declared…not golden bullets, while the Middle East erupts anew/further:

F-16s Will Let Ukraine Get More Out Of Western Munitions: USAF’s Top Officer In Europe

Head of US Air Forces in Europe says F-16s offer Ukraine key new capabilities in the near and long terms, but that they're not a "golden bullet."

Story: https://t.co/uUpC0qLwMF

— The War Zone (@thewarzonewire) July 30, 2024

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I am curious, and I'm not attacking you, but why are you so defensive on this thread? Do you have some personal connection to either Ukraine or Soviets / Russia that elicit such reactions? I am not on this site all the time, and may have missed something, but I am genuinely interested in why or what about this topic sets you off?

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Why do you believe it is defensive? And why do you not ask others why they are defensive of Russia in the reverse? It's a discussion board. Keep it to discussion and stop worrying about poster motivations.

We are all Aggies and friends here. I am truly trying to understand your point of view. I apologize if that is inappropriate.

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My point of view is simple. Russia is caught in a stalemate and they have no history of resolve in modern conflict.

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I'm a pretty big Ukraine supporter on the other thread but we should strive to be objective in our views of both sides. 500k casualties and no signs of the Russians looking for the exit shows quite a bit of resolve in a modern conflict.

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I am not the one deflecting! Lol, you are being ignorantly myopic.

Russia is doing exactly what they want to do right now.

WAR OF ATTRITION.

Despite the stupid double mindedness of the west. (Oh Russia is going to over run Poland next) so we must support a very corrupt and broken Ukraine well just because.

Or your point it kills and weakens DRussia, with absolutely no thought of what it is costing Ukraine and us.

I am not allowing you to set your myopic (and wrong) point of view, just because you think you can set and focus the discussion to a fine point.

I and many others have answered your question, you just don't like the answer.

Let me say it again, Russia is no hurry, they know that they can win a prolonged war of attrition against Ukraine militarily and us politically.

That has definitely been proven in the last 75 years.

And has been done so by forces and countries much weaker than Russia.

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Where has it been proven in the last 75 year that Russia knows "that they can win a prolonged war of attrition"?

"Dangerous zoonotic diseases" is a clever euphemism for bio-weapons. Ah, Hunter and the Bidens…

Yet another Hunter Biden misadventure that would have had to be vetted by US intelligence before proceeding. There are so many of these ops it's impossible to know which exact one triggered the CIA to intervene in Hunter's trial & wave DOJ off questioning his financial sponsor. https://t.co/bHLCrz1XRT

— Mike Benz (@MikeBenzCyber) July 30, 2024

Wow.

The article in question: https://t.co/PeiEHSU8Pb

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) July 31, 2024

Sitrep:

⚡️‼️🚨Latest mammoth report is out! Read it now: https://t.co/xXAb2xZFln#war #russia #ukraine #nato #geopolitics #politics pic.twitter.com/OpoRvbbtd6

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) July 31, 2024

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"Arestovich recorded a video in which he announced the complete collapse of the Ukrainian energy system in 2-3 Russian missile strikes. Now Ukraine still has a nuclear power plant and an energy bridge with Europe. But Russia can destroy all this with two or three missile strikes, literally throwing the whole country back to the 17th century in a couple of days. Only the village will survive, the lighting will be from splinters. Winter will drive hundreds of thousands of people out of the cities and the whole country will be engaged in survival, not war. Russia, according to him, simply feels sorry for ordinary farmers."

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We see that the Ukrainian side puffs its chest and talks tough, but are increasingly speaking of negotiations. How likely is this, really? Well, the truth is, no one in Russia is talking like this, and in fact Lavrov, Peskov, Medvedev, and the rest of the Siloviki are signaling the total opposite. Russia is smashing through Ukrainian defenses like never before, the frontline is totally collapsingfor Russia to suddenly stop and negotiate is equivalent in logic to Assad "gassing his own people" when he was on the cusp of victory against the CIA's FSA rebels. It makes no possible sense.

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What a disaster. I hope he's wrong about the prospects of negotiations near-term.

Impossible.

I have been told by several credible sources including Texags posters that the idea of US funded biolabs in Ukraine was Putin propaganda and misinformation.

Believe them....ya know...not other sources who would actually know.