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I've never taken part in the Ukrainian bio-lab "conspiracy theory", but now that I've read this do the people on here that scoff at it still think it's made up?

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"Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned...Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of." - Victoria Nuland at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in response to Marco Rubio

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Are y'all aware of this or just trying to memory hole it?

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No one is saying there are no biological research facilities in Ukraine. Like a lot of developed countries, I'm sure there are plenty, and even some that we are helping to fund. None of that in any way confirms there are bioweapons there. Just like the Nazi excuse, it's just another in a long line of fabrications that Putin and his army of digital trolls invented to justify taking over a country that never attacked them.

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I'm going to assume I can go back and find talking points that said there were no facilities there at all and when it was confirmed there were the talking points were shifted to "yes, there are facilities but they don't dabble in bioweapons".

Regardless, I'm also not saying there were bioweapons there. My only point is to dismiss the possibility as ludicrous...is ludicrous itself considering we already know we did it in China.

My gosh, there is no way we would do it in more than one location! How absurd!

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First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two for twice the price? Only this one can be kept secret. Controlled by Americans....

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Again, I won't partake in the Nazi reasoning because I think that is largely Putin rhetoric.

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Calling bio labs in Ukraine bioterrorism labs was also Putin rhetoric, fwiw.

LOL because the US has such a good track record with funding bio research.

Oops....COVID

And how long did Fauci deny they were doing gain of function research there even AFTER all the government agencies tacitly admitted it?

The only reason to do that kind of research offshore is because they are playing with biological weapons and gain of function research that is banned stateside and they are trying to blur things tp avoid oversight and to provide a layer of plausible deniability.

Like the NIH did in Wuhan.

I find it hilarious that the same people that know with 100% certainty that the US was funding gain of function research in Wuhan refuse to acknowledge that is why the US has these sort of offshore bio labs.

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LOL because the US has such a good track record with funding bio research.

Oops....COVID

And how long did Fauci deny they were doing gain of function research there even AFTER all the government agencies tacitly admitted it?

The only reason to do that kind of research offshore is because they are playing with biological weapons and gain of function research that is banned stateside and they are trying to blur things tp avoid oversight and to provide a layer of plausible deniability.

Like the NIH did in Wuhan.

I find it hilarious that the same people that know with 100% certainty that the US was funding gain of function research in Wuhan refuse to acknowledge that is why the US has these sort of offshore bio labs.

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Thank you for using lots of words to not rebut what I posted.

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I've never taken part in the Ukrainian bio-lab "conspiracy theory", but now that I've read this do the people on here that scoff at it still think it's made up?

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"Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned...Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of." - Victoria Nuland at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in response to Marco Rubio

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Are y'all aware of this or just trying to memory hole it?

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No one is saying there are no biological research facilities in Ukraine. Like a lot of developed countries, I'm sure there are plenty, and even some that we are helping to fund. None of that in any way confirms there are bioweapons there. Just like the Nazi excuse, it's just another in a long line of fabrications that Putin and his army of digital trolls invented to justify taking over a country that never attacked them.

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I'm going to assume I can go back and find talking points that said there were no facilities there at all and when it was confirmed there were the talking points were shifted to "yes, there are facilities but they don't dabble in bioweapons".

Regardless, I'm also not saying there were bioweapons there. My only point is to dismiss the possibility as ludicrous...is ludicrous itself considering we already know we did it in China.

My gosh, there is no way we would do it in more than one location! How absurd!

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First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two for twice the price? Only this one can be kept secret. Controlled by Americans....

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Again, I won't partake in the Nazi reasoning because I think that is largely Putin rhetoric.

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Like any developed country, of course Ukraine has biological labs, and like a lot of countries, we have assisted them with funding and research. There is zero evidence of these being "bioweapons labs," but feel free to provide some if you'd like. It's strange that you recognize the Nazi accusations are a blatant Putin talking point that also has absolutely zero to do with why he invaded, but you can't recognize the same thing here.

What's significant is that as with Wuhan (Wuhan Institute of Virology, specifically), Covid-19 wasn't funded by Fauci/Ecohealth to be developed as a bio-weapon. It just…worked out that way.

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What's significant is that as with Wuhan (Wuhan Institute of Virology, specifically), Covid-19 wasn't funded by Fauci/Ecohealth to be developed as a bio-weapon. It just…worked out that way.

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Well, then Russia should have invaded China with their bioterrorism labs...

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There is zero evidence of these being "bioweapons labs," but feel free to provide some if you'd like.

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There may not be evidence yet, but considering the level of corruption in the country the probability is good that they have something nefarious.

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What's significant is that as with Wuhan (Wuhan Institute of Virology, specifically), Covid-19 wasn't funded by Fauci/Ecohealth to be developed as a bio-weapon. It just…worked out that way.

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Yeah.......

There are so many benign reasons to take the virus for the common cold and splice it to see if you can increase the virulence and infectivity...

So many benevolent reasons to take harmless viruses and make them more deadly other than to release them on the public at large as a bioweapon.

So many......

That I can't think of any right now.


Lololol...... the denial here is approaching this level from the left

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I've never taken part in the Ukrainian bio-lab "conspiracy theory", but now that I've read this do the people on here that scoff at it still think it's made up?

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"Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned...Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of." - Victoria Nuland at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in response to Marco Rubio

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Are y'all aware of this or just trying to memory hole it?

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No one is saying there are no biological research facilities in Ukraine. Like a lot of developed countries, I'm sure there are plenty, and even some that we are helping to fund. None of that in any way confirms there are bioweapons there. Just like the Nazi excuse, it's just another in a long line of fabrications that Putin and his army of digital trolls invented to justify taking over a country that never attacked them.

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I'm going to assume I can go back and find talking points that said there were no facilities there at all and when it was confirmed there were the talking points were shifted to "yes, there are facilities but they don't dabble in bioweapons".

Regardless, I'm also not saying there were bioweapons there. My only point is to dismiss the possibility as ludicrous...is ludicrous itself considering we already know we did it in China.

My gosh, there is no way we would do it in more than one location! How absurd!

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First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two for twice the price? Only this one can be kept secret. Controlled by Americans....

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Again, I won't partake in the Nazi reasoning because I think that is largely Putin rhetoric.

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Like any developed country, of course Ukraine has biological labs, and like a lot of countries, we have assisted them with funding and research. There is zero evidence of these being "bioweapons labs," but feel free to provide some if you'd like. It's strange that you recognize the Nazi accusations are a blatant Putin talking point that also has absolutely zero to do with why he invaded, but you can't recognize the same thing here.

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There is zero evidence of these being "bioweapons labs," but feel free to provide some if you'd like.

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Get with the times, man! Those are bioterrorism labs now. That's why the Special Military Operation had to stop the Nazis bioterror.

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There is zero evidence of these being "bioweapons labs," but feel free to provide some if you'd like.

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There may not be evidence yet, but considering the level of corruption in the country the probability is good that they have something nefarious.

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Cool. I'll wait for the actual evidence, which Putin has strangely not been able to produce two+ years into his invasion. YMMV.

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I've never taken part in the Ukrainian bio-lab "conspiracy theory", but now that I've read this do the people on here that scoff at it still think it's made up?

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"Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned...Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of." - Victoria Nuland at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in response to Marco Rubio

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Are y'all aware of this or just trying to memory hole it?

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No one is saying there are no biological research facilities in Ukraine. Like a lot of developed countries, I'm sure there are plenty, and even some that we are helping to fund. None of that in any way confirms there are bioweapons there. Just like the Nazi excuse, it's just another in a long line of fabrications that Putin and his army of digital trolls invented to justify taking over a country that never attacked them.

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I'm going to assume I can go back and find talking points that said there were no facilities there at all and when it was confirmed there were the talking points were shifted to "yes, there are facilities but they don't dabble in bioweapons".

Regardless, I'm also not saying there were bioweapons there. My only point is to dismiss the possibility as ludicrous...is ludicrous itself considering we already know we did it in China.

My gosh, there is no way we would do it in more than one location! How absurd!

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First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two for twice the price? Only this one can be kept secret. Controlled by Americans....

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Again, I won't partake in the Nazi reasoning because I think that is largely Putin rhetoric.

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Like any developed country, of course Ukraine has biological labs, and like a lot of countries, we have assisted them with funding and research. There is zero evidence of these being "bioweapons labs," but feel free to provide some if you'd like. It's strange that you recognize the Nazi accusations are a blatant Putin talking point that also has absolutely zero to do with why he invaded, but you can't recognize the same thing here.

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Good lord. Because we did it in China! We are a known entity in doing such things.

I already said I don't know if it happened in Ukraine and have no evidence to say that we did. All I'm saying is that it is absolutely possible that we did because we have now established precedent that the US has been playing in this space in the country that is our biggest enemy, no less.

Christ, y'all are obtuse.

Agree completely. At minimum, given what we've learned our government is capable of in the last 4 years, it isn't something we should dismiss out of hand as absurd.

The US Air Force directed the ATACMS missile strike against Russian civilians today. This is an act of war by the US Govt against Russia. Did Joe Biden seek permission from Congress to start a direct war with Russia? Did Americans sign up for this? pic.twitter.com/9E9uz5ByjK

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) June 23, 2024

Terror strikes on beachgoers with cluster ATACMS munitions, and activated islamic terror cells: that's what our government and the 'good guys' are doing. Putin doesn't really need to prove/justify anything imho, nor does he have any obvious intent of doing so, at this point. However, I think the one that hit hundreds of beach goers was probably intended to go elsewhere but was intercepted. Even my cynicism limits my capacity to think American planners would target a civilian crowd as such, however.

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In accordance with that, today Ukraine launched a coordinated ATACMs strike on beachgoers in Sevastopol, reportedly injuring ~150+ or more, and killing half a dozen, though that death toll may rise as per usual. At the same time, a jihadi terrorist cell was activated in Dagestan, which went on a killing spree targeting Orthodox Christian churches, as well as a Synagogue, with one of the Orthodox priests reportedly having his throat slit. Also, an attack occurred on the Abkhazia border with multiple dead as well. Keep in mind this is just days after an ISIS cell staged an attack in a Rostov prison, though fortunately the only victims there were the jihadis themselves.

The newly activated spree is clearly meant to provoke religious strife and ethnic tensions within Russia at its vulnerable Caucasian flanks.

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The S-500 system (or at least it's radar) is apparently helping though, and no Ukrainian images of 'successful' strikes so I guess the Russians are doing better with it at knocking them down. Zelensky meanwhile notes the cheap/plentiful Russian bombs continue to come in at incredible rates;



More at the link, an absurd 'American election season offensive' to boost Biden at the last second, and more speculation about Zelensky being dumped in early 2025 finally (though the Russians seem to plan for a 'final victory' this year?), all sound about right.

https://t.co/GNFtlkcH18
Gabor Steingart, editor of Germany's most popular daily newsletter ("Pioneer"), writes under the headline "The Collapse of the West": "Ukraine is exhausted, the conservative camp is split, and business wants to normalize relations with Russia...Putin will…

— David P. Goldman (@davidpgoldman) June 23, 2024

That's right. Ukraine is going to use one of their limited supply of ATACMS to kill a few sunbathers instead of Russian assets. No flaw in logic there.

And, the Islamic attacks were activated by Ukraine...because the Islamic terrorists have never had a beef with Russia until Zelensky recruited them to his team.

If Russia can shoot them down Ukraine will need even more to be able to overwhelm.

Ukraine and the decline of the west (Townhall). More at the link, but a very good editorial, imho. Fair use excerpt;

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In all these conflicts, there were opportunities to avoid the current state of affairs, yet these opportunities were ignored, to allow problems to escalate. The geopolitical landscape is now more volatile than it has been for decades. The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, exacerbated by the provision of missiles and F-16s to Ukraine, signals a dangerous escalation. This development not only targets Russian military and civilian sites but drags the US further into an unwinnable war.

The West continues to provoke, ignoring the possibility that Putin might not be bluffing about his red lines. This dangerous gamble stems from a triumphalist hangover from the fall of Berlin and the end of the Cold War. But can Putin and Russia be pushed indefinitely? Daily headlines often paint a narrative of Ukrainian victory, but Russia is not deceived. Eventually, Russia will be compelled to respond decisively, and that's when the West will face the consequences.
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Putin's strategy has been slow and deliberate showing great strength. Just as the US refrained from bombing Russian supply ships bound for North Vietnam knowing such an action would spark a conflict beyond control, and lead to direct confrontation with the Soviet Union. This restraint is a stark contrast to the current approach towards Russia and Ukraine, where each step seems to edge closer to a full-blown war.

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Command post leveled. Ron Paul: they can't 'not Respond' to atacm strikes. (17 minute video). All on-point, as one would expect from Ron.

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That's right. Ukraine is going to use one of their limited supply of ATACMS to kill a few sunbathers instead of Russian assets. No flaw in logic there.

And, the Islamic attacks were activated by Ukraine...because the Islamic terrorists have never had a beef with Russia until Zelensky recruited them to his team.

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Dang it, you broke the spring in my sarcasm sensor.

Interesting a Blackrock alumni is leading the shift in forever-war policy among German polity:

Note, Merz is former BlackRock exec. Firm set to profit handsomely from Kiev's reconstruction. As I discussed with @scheer_post in Jan, BlackRock needs enough people alive to work for subsistence wages for US firms in post-war Ukraine. Have a listen:https://t.co/0ZH1BZ2Nfb

— Kit Klarenberg 🔻🔻🔻🔻🔻 (@KitKlarenberg) June 25, 2024

The amazing disappearing Ukrainian defensive line, built with a level of graft and shoddy workmanship that would make Afghan War contractors (cough-thieves-cough) blush. https://t.co/H6UpLV5Qa1

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) June 25, 2024

Gross:

This is the threat Russian-speaking Ukrainians & Russia itself faced since 2014.

You can find Podolyak's quote published in pro-Ukrainian media here: https://t.co/Z2zmyLtw8D

— Brian Berletic (@BrianJBerletic) June 24, 2024

Some Russians have claimed to have downed a global hawk, but I doubt it. I think a reaper was probably shot down though. Nothingburger.

RFK was not allowed to debate tonight

So crazy that Ukraine could have made a much better peace deal if we had let them do it a couple weeks after the war started, when Russia was ready to fall back to pre-invasion lines in exchange for Ukraine not joining NATO. We pressured Zelensky (who originally ran on a peace… pic.twitter.com/PaqUF0LADK

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) June 27, 2024

But what he says here is undeniable: Ukraine would be larger today if they negotiated sooner.

This is relevant because even Zelensky knows his end is nigh

"Ukraine does not want to prolong the war. We do not want it to last for years," President Volodymyr Zelensky said, Interfax-Ukraine reports.

"We have many wounded and killed on the battlefield. We must put a settlement plan on the table within a few months," Zelensky added. pic.twitter.com/9dU3Y9M47o

— KyivPost (@KyivPost) June 27, 2024

Putins “Peace proposal” in a video. pic.twitter.com/MkQAhheLDC

— ayden (@squatsons) June 27, 2024

#UkraineRussiaWar #Kharkiv#ATACMS #Robotyne #F16#Bakhmut #Sevastopol

🇺🇦 AFU is losing ground due to a large number of “zombie brigades” - People's Deputy Bezuglaya

According to her, instead of replenishing old units, more and more new ones are being created in Ukraine.… pic.twitter.com/PJV1c4OclD

— Koba (@Roberto05246129) June 28, 2024

Russians advancing further in Donetsk in particular.

Rybar Live: Special military operation, June 28
Mikhail Zvinchuk, head of the Russian think tank Rybar: «On the Seversk direction the settlement of Razdolovka was liberated» pic.twitter.com/RH6H9dloLO

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) June 29, 2024

Just gross to be 'equipping' these types;

🇺🇸🇺🇦 US gov-funded "Voice of America" features Nazis in recent video using US-made Javelin missiles...

US had banned Azov from arms/training b/c they were Nazis only recently lifting it despite Azov still openly/officially using Nazi symbols.

Link to VOA's video is here:… pic.twitter.com/1deQKXDCkN

— Brian Berletic (@BrianJBerletic) June 28, 2024

Nahhh man.

If RFK is floating that "early peace deal was scuttled by the weather so we could initiate a proxy war" conspiracy theory he must be a putin fan boy spreading Russian propaganda.

LOLOL. Ya think?

🇺🇦🚨‼️ HAHAHA: “Ukraine will be told it is currently too corrupt to join Nato, in a major blow to Volodymyr Zelensky.

Membership talks cannot progress until the former Soviet state cleans up, a major blow to Volodymyr Zelensky”

— Telegraph

LMAO … told you pic.twitter.com/PkfGSQQVkD

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) July 3, 2024

Capitulation:

‼️🇺🇦🇷🇺 "The conflict in Ukraine will end in capitulation" — The Asia Times

▪️The conflict in Ukraine will not conclude with a negotiated agreement, but with capitulation, writes The Asia Times. The situation on the front lines could lead to the collapse or surrender of the… pic.twitter.com/X61bgE0jZ4

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) July 2, 2024

Sitrep: 'Ukraine bleeds troops'. There are plenty of tweets out there this week as to the despondent condition/morale/orders of Ukrainian troops. Not gonna link one but the usual reliable X accounts have these increasingly well documented, imho.

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So, according to 'European security sources', Ukraine requires 50,000 soldiers per quarter and 200k by the end of the year just to maintain losses. Of course, this is less than Russian sources have calculated, which claim Ukraine needs 30k per month just to stay even. That being said, the interesting thing is that the 200k required by end of year calculates to exactly 33,000 per month for the remaining months. Though they do acknowledge in the next paragraph that Colonel Reisner of the Austrian army believes the number is even higher.

What's interesting about all that, is how Western thinktanks are slowly starting to catch up to a plan obvious to us for a very long time now. ISW's latest theory crafting propounds the 'novel' idea that Russia is seeking to win the war of attrition by way of the boa constrictor strategy I've been detailing since nearly the conflict's start:

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It's a bit infuriating the war 'think tanks' (like ISW) are only now finally coming around to the reality, having refused to acknowledge these truths for so tragically long. Muh, 'freedom and democracy' and all that.

Anyway, more at the link, as they say. The comments section is always interesting, elucidating a good discussion (I ignore/skip the antisemitic bits). A skeptic has more breakdowns (daily) of losses/analyses. Forever war!

The West must hasten to provide Ukraine the support it needs to conduct counteroffensive operations to invalidate Putin's theory of victory and avoid protracting the war more than necessary to secure a peace acceptable to Ukraine and its partners.

"It's partners"

Partnering with a country too corrupt for NATO are participants in the corruption. We have the laptop from hell when there is actually a server room.

Takes cognitive dissonance to be ok with supporting Ukraine. This being 'such a deal' & 'Russia bad' does not pass muster any more: Never did.

For pennies we have stopped Russia cold and Ukraine is now even taking over some towns again. Again all for pennies. And near Adviika Russia has only managed to gain a few miles since October of 2023.

Russia has zero hope of anything more. And they know it.

Another interesting political aspect is how Russia has moved from just begging North Korea for equipment to now begging them for personnel. Just highlights russias vast manpower and equipment deficiency even more.

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For pennies we have stopped Russia cold and Ukraine is now even taking over some towns again. Again all for pennies. And near Adviika Russia has only managed to gain a few miles since October of 2023.

Russia has zero hope of anything more. And they know it.

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Yes, exactly what I'm posting about.

Whats 10% of a penny? Asking for the bug guy.

Not necessarily. We aren't providing Ukraine with weapons to conduct successful offensives. The latest deliveries have been intended to freeze lines and bleed the Russians and its working phenomenally well.

Again, just gross:
https://x.com/mnormandavies/status/
Edit:…(of course it contains bad language, being Ukrainian symbology, I didn't see the full quoted post in the X app…)
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Several airfields have been struck over the past couple weeks (as in, rendered inoperable), not sure if Ukraine at this point maintains any legacy Fencer capability:

🇷🇺🇺🇦 New successful strike by Russian Armed Forces on Ukrainian airfield

For the third day in a row, Russian troops continue to hit AFU aircraft in the enemy's rear areas. Before that, Su-27 fighters and Mi-24 helicopters were targeted in Poltava region, but today once again the… pic.twitter.com/tDObT5HBbj

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) July 3, 2024

Sanctions: 'the war has weakened Russia.' Oil revenues surge.
https://x.com/cheburekiman/status/1808581035741098404

Every part of Trump's (rumored, but sourced) plans for Nato and the glorious Biden proxy war here makes a lot of sense. Excerpt;

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A swift resolution of the two-and-a-half-year Ukraine conflict would also likely play a key role in Trump's plans for NATO. As part of a plan for Ukraine that has not been previously reported, the presumptive GOP nominee is mulling a deal whereby NATO commits to no further eastward expansion specifically into Ukraine and Georgia and negotiates with Russian President Vladimir Putin over how much Ukrainian territory Moscow can keep, according to two other Trump-aligned national security experts.

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Comically, Zelensky demands an explanation of Trump.

Why does Zelensky dress the way he does?

Look like he ordered his entire wardrobe out of the Cheaper than Dirt catalog.

Who told him to do this and what's he trying to do here?

Falling Aim-120 made a lot of news in a horrific/tragic blast at a childrens hospital. Video is existent of 10/11 KH-101's striking military targets, on the same day (and many more since).

Exact analysis of the #Okhmatdit #Kiev hit:

the length of the incoming missile is clear < 6 meters, so it's an AD missile, no "Russian" CM!https://t.co/UkUMUqG0aJ

— 🇦🇹 FS3 🇭🇺 (@FarSight3) July 9, 2024

Fake: The Russian Federation deliberately hit the building of the Okhmatdyt children's hospital in Kyiv. This was stated by the head of Zelensky’s office, Andriy Ermak.

Truth: The Russian Federation attacked strategic military targets in Kyiv. The children's hospital… pic.twitter.com/4QwxYxMcQU

— Victor vicktop55 (@vicktop55) July 8, 2024

Guys from this Telegram channel don't mess around, kudos for the assessment.

AIM-120 from NASAMS air defense system. https://t.co/v0u1I2w8A7 pic.twitter.com/5Il1pPTP5X

— MD (@distant_earth83) July 8, 2024

No wings, no flares, dropping straight down, atypical nose cone shape vs. a -101, and yet the claim is widely made about this one attack the Russians ostensibly made against a childrens hospital for some reason. Anyway, more strikes, all over Ukraine of infrastructure, and incremental Russian advances. It's particularly absurd as they (Ukraine MoD) claim they shot down all but 2 of them that day (though again the footage of the impacts can be found easily).

While Ukraine continues to atrophy, this is the guy in charge.

BREAKING: Joe Biden just made all NATO members uncomfortable when talking about another man's wife

The entire room started laughing as he couldn't even get a coherent word to come out of his mouth

THIS IS BEYOND SAD! God help us

Clipped: @VigilantFox pic.twitter.com/lv4fQMSPG9

— George (@BehizyTweets) July 9, 2024

Speaking of airfield, when will the F16's arrive? IIRC they were being touted as game changers by the propaganda press this time last year.