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Ok, and none of the Transnistria stuff really imports any kind of 'this is the good side' at the time.

A majority Russian speaking populace (Soviets had put Russians in all kinds of regions to culturally shift them, and some are still on pension plans etc. in places like Kazakhstan), didn't want to be absorbed into Romania under Ceausescu and have their language outlawed so that means…Yeltsin was horribad and long term Russia must be rejected/isolated? Respectfully, that's just nonsense. History is just more complex than that, if nothing else.

And it can again be dismissed as demented gibberish, but Biden claims he knew Putin from at least a period 5 years prior to this, as a KGB agent. How and why? Leadership matters, in all wars. From 1985-1990 Putin worked in a covert role in Dresden Germany. Before that, he was in New Zealand?

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You know it was just his demented gibberish. He didn't say he knew him as a KGB agent (although I made that smart ass comment on another thread). He said he's known him for 40 years. Biden has no concept of time anymore. He probably thinks Putin was the Grand Poobah of Russia 40 years ago.

I do lean toward agreeing with you about it being demented gibberish, but also consider it could be an accidental admission of his earlier dealings (Ultimately revealing 'kompromat'), as he has been a traitor his whole career. Again, the bigger point is that leadership matters, and a war with Russia should be completely ruled out until/unless first of all we have competent and non-treasonous leadership in this country, prior to any other rationalizations being considered, including proxy wars.

Anyway, sitrep; Russian economy surges to surpass Japan as 4th largest.

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That means Russia's true concealed economic might may be even far higher and actually closer to that of India's. I have already argued at length that Russia, being the most sanctioned and economically undermined and terrorized country on earth, via embargoes and outright industrial sabotage like the Nordstream attacks, may be underachievingfor nowwhile hiding a far more powerful economy than current records imply. If you take away those artificial handicaps unfairly gimping Russia's economy, then it is almost certain that Russia's true unmeasured economic might is that of 3rd place behind China and the U.S. It's remarkable that even under unparalleled attack, Russia is able to command one of the fastest growing and most robust economies in the world.

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Sitrep 2

This is insane. A Ukrainian NGO just put out an enemies list that includes US citizens. This list blames us for Ukraine’s issues on the battlefield.

Here’s where it gets crazy… The founder of this NGO (https://t.co/I5l9UMJ39c) was TRAINED by the U.S. State Department. The list… pic.twitter.com/ALJoBnRbhx

— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) June 8, 2024

Nulandia has an enemies list. US State department sponsored, of course.

This has been rumored for a while - so is not altogether unexpected!
Ukrainian troops are already spread thin on the front line - so stretching them even thinner makes sound tactical sense!

— Lanceload (@Lanceloadin) June 9, 2024

What a **** show the fascists in Kiev are running:

Ukrainians like to joke that their country never misses a chance to miss a chance. Internal power struggles in Kyiv have already negatively affected the attitude of both foreign partners and donors/investors to Ukraine, weighing on the recovery and reconstruction track https://t.co/SttBB8VDIk

— Daniel Szeligowski (@dszeligowski) June 10, 2024

Wow.

🚨🚨 And here is,

Joe Biden’s leaked bribed audio recording just right after Trump’s 2016 inauguration,

The bribed Joe Biden on call threatening Poroshenko with assassination, if he ever cooperates with the Trump administration.

Meaning,
Barack Obama KNEW. Hillary Clinton… pic.twitter.com/slSMOHLAyl

— 🇺🇸RealRobert🇺🇸 (@Real_RobN) June 8, 2024

Before Trump was sworn in, the first time.

Lindsey Graham: Ukraine is a gold mine.

Zelensky's 'servants of the people' party stole $500 million:

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Ukrainian law enforcement authorities have launched around 30 criminal proceedings linked to the embezzlement of 20 billion hryvnias ($491 million), Bondar told lawmakers at a closed-door session of the parliamentary investigative commission on fortifications, according to multiple media reports. In the absence of defensive fortifications, Russian forces have made rapid advances in the country.

"Members of the commission from Servants of the People [Ukraine's ruling party], when they heard such figures, immediately tried to defend the managers of the funds," Bondar said. However, he claimed that the "lion's share" of the funds had been disbursed through Ukraine's military and civil authorities, which the MP described as the "vertical of the president."

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Americans need to have nothing to do with Ukraine.

FJB admin is a bunch of roaches scurrying away every time the lights turn on.

And bringing the Russian war to us!

All the war pigs with Ukraine flags in their bio are responsible for this. https://t.co/iMSorgYwvN

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 11, 2024

But don't worry, the 'good guys' have plans to attack Russian kids:

Someone please tell me why we arm and fund these people again? pic.twitter.com/d12nQtbIme

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) June 11, 2024

Hopefully?

‼️🇫🇷 Macron is discussing with his entourage the possibility of leaving the presidency in the event of a victory for “pro-Russian” forces - Europe 1

▪️If the right wins in the parliamentary elections in France, Macron may resign.
▪️ “The resignation of the president is not a… pic.twitter.com/FcSv2ecRoX

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) June 11, 2024

Today Biden signed a 10-year agreement with Ukraine, risking another US forever war. By supporting Ukraine's NATO membership, he commits future US servicemembers to Ukraine’s conflicts. It’s time to put America 1st, seek diplomatic solutions, and protect our people and economy.

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) June 14, 2024

I agree that Zelensky should be reelected before he makes decisions for the country.

UKRAINE: Zelensky called Putin's ceasefire offer ‘absurd’ as the Ukrainian leader continues to refuse to negotiate with Russia. If Zelensky refuses to seek a peace deal the Ukrainian people MUST be allowed to have elections so they can have a say in the matter. pic.twitter.com/7XvAup0q8r

— @amuse (@amuse) June 14, 2024

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And bringing the Russian war to us!

All the war pigs with Ukraine flags in their bio are responsible for this. https://t.co/iMSorgYwvN

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) June 11, 2024

But don't worry, the 'good guys' have plans to attack Russian kids:

Someone please tell me why we arm and fund these people again? pic.twitter.com/d12nQtbIme

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) June 11, 2024

Hopefully?

‼️🇫🇷 Macron is discussing with his entourage the possibility of leaving the presidency in the event of a victory for “pro-Russian” forces - Europe 1

▪️If the right wins in the parliamentary elections in France, Macron may resign.
▪️ “The resignation of the president is not a… pic.twitter.com/FcSv2ecRoX

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) June 11, 2024

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"Hopefully" the pro-Russian forces win...

Well, at least you've dropped the pretense that you weren't rooting for the Russians...

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I agree that Zelensky should be reelected before he makes decisions for the country.

UKRAINE: Zelensky called Putin's ceasefire offer ‘absurd’ as the Ukrainian leader continues to refuse to negotiate with Russia. If Zelensky refuses to seek a peace deal the Ukrainian people MUST be allowed to have elections so they can have a say in the matter. pic.twitter.com/7XvAup0q8r

— @amuse (@amuse) June 14, 2024

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Putin: If Ukraine leaves all the areas we haven't yet taken and agrees to never join NATO, we can begin negotiations...

Z: No.

This thread: Z is a WARMONGER!!!

BTW...since Russia in occupying a large portion of Ukrainian territory, please explain how Ukraine can conduct fair and free elections in those areas.

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I agree that Zelensky should be reelected before he makes decisions for the country.

UKRAINE: Zelensky called Putin's ceasefire offer ‘absurd’ as the Ukrainian leader continues to refuse to negotiate with Russia. If Zelensky refuses to seek a peace deal the Ukrainian people MUST be allowed to have elections so they can have a say in the matter. pic.twitter.com/7XvAup0q8r

— @amuse (@amuse) June 14, 2024

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Putin: If Ukraine leaves all the areas we haven't yet taken and agrees to never join NATO, we can begin negotiations...

Z: No.

This thread: Z is a WARMONGER!!!

BTW...since Russia in occupying a large portion of Ukrainian territory, please explain how Ukraine can conduct fair and free elections in those areas.

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Who said that, specifically? It wasn't me.

Those areas are part of Russia now. Why are you asking me how to get Russians to vote in the election?

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I agree that Zelensky should be reelected before he makes decisions for the country.

UKRAINE: Zelensky called Putin's ceasefire offer ‘absurd’ as the Ukrainian leader continues to refuse to negotiate with Russia. If Zelensky refuses to seek a peace deal the Ukrainian people MUST be allowed to have elections so they can have a say in the matter. pic.twitter.com/7XvAup0q8r

— @amuse (@amuse) June 14, 2024

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Putin: If Ukraine leaves all the areas we haven't yet taken and agrees to never join NATO, we can begin negotiations...

Z: No.

This thread: Z is a WARMONGER!!!

BTW...since Russia in occupying a large portion of Ukrainian territory, please explain how Ukraine can conduct fair and free elections in those areas.

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Who said that, specifically? It wasn't me.

Those areas are part of Russia now. Why are you asking me how to get Russians to vote in the election?

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No they're not. They're OCCUPIED by Russia, though.

Can you point to me where anyone other than Russia has said that they're part of Russia?

But, thanks for the pravda talking points.

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I agree that Zelensky should be reelected before he makes decisions for the country.

UKRAINE: Zelensky called Putin's ceasefire offer ‘absurd’ as the Ukrainian leader continues to refuse to negotiate with Russia. If Zelensky refuses to seek a peace deal the Ukrainian people MUST be allowed to have elections so they can have a say in the matter. pic.twitter.com/7XvAup0q8r

— @amuse (@amuse) June 14, 2024

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Putin: If Ukraine leaves all the areas we haven't yet taken and agrees to never join NATO, we can begin negotiations...

Z: No.

This thread: Z is a WARMONGER!!!

BTW...since Russia in occupying a large portion of Ukrainian territory, please explain how Ukraine can conduct fair and free elections in those areas.

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Who said that, specifically? It wasn't me.

Those areas are part of Russia now. Why are you asking me how to get Russians to vote in the election?

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No they're not. They're OCCUPIED by Russia, though.

Can you point to me where anyone other than Russia has said that they're part of Russia?

But, thanks for the pravda talking points.

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That is a distinction without a difference, just ask the native americans.

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I agree that Zelensky should be reelected before he makes decisions for the country.

UKRAINE: Zelensky called Putin's ceasefire offer ‘absurd’ as the Ukrainian leader continues to refuse to negotiate with Russia. If Zelensky refuses to seek a peace deal the Ukrainian people MUST be allowed to have elections so they can have a say in the matter. pic.twitter.com/7XvAup0q8r

— @amuse (@amuse) June 14, 2024

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Putin: If Ukraine leaves all the areas we haven't yet taken and agrees to never join NATO, we can begin negotiations...

Z: No.

This thread: Z is a WARMONGER!!!

BTW...since Russia in occupying a large portion of Ukrainian territory, please explain how Ukraine can conduct fair and free elections in those areas.

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Who said that, specifically? It wasn't me.

Those areas are part of Russia now. Why are you asking me how to get Russians to vote in the election?

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No they're not. They're OCCUPIED by Russia, though.

Can you point to me where anyone other than Russia has said that they're part of Russia?

But, thanks for the pravda talking points.

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That is a distinction without a difference, just ask the native americans.

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Or we could ask the East Germans...

I mean the Germans, NOW....

Thats exactly my point. They were east germans until they weren't.

Lines move, and no one seriously expects Ukraine to retake its lots land

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Thats exactly my point. They were east germans until they weren't.

Lines move, and no one seriously expects Ukraine to retake its lots land

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Well...they were East Germans because the entire world recognized it.

How many countries other than Russia recognize those areas as part of Russia?

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Thats exactly my point. They were east germans until they weren't.

Lines move, and no one seriously expects Ukraine to retake its lots land

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Well...they were East Germans because the entire world recognized it.

How many countries other than Russia recognize those areas as part of Russia?

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Just about everyone but Zelensky recognize Crimea as part of Russia…..

All the more reason there should be an election, which was my original point.

Ukraine did just have an election with citizens participating in those territories controlled by Russians. Putin won.

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Thats exactly my point. They were east germans until they weren't.

Lines move, and no one seriously expects Ukraine to retake its lots land

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Well...they were East Germans because the entire world recognized it.

How many countries other than Russia recognize those areas as part of Russia?

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Just about everyone but Zelensky recognize Crimea as part of Russia…..

All the more reason there should be an election, which was my original point.

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While Russia and 17 other UN member states recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation

Your idea of "Just about everyone" is kinda suspect.

But...as to the "election" you're wanting

What about all those NON Crimean parts of Ukraine that Russia is occupying besides Crimea? The one's that not even those 17 others are recognizing...

Why would you hold an election there?

Just say it's vichy Ukraine?

I copied this from the Biden Gaza pier fiasco. And it needs to be put here because it is 100% truth.

It is relevant to Ukraine because Ukraine was/is the No1# base of sex traffiking, money laundering. YOU name it.

And all of these corrupt NGOs.

This is the real issue again.

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At least 27 senior officials in the Biden administration worked for Biden's nonprofit organizations, and many of them for Obama before that. 122 NGOs that are formally headed by these senior officials received Cart Blanche contracts for the top earners. The majority of them are directly facilitating the invasion of the southern border. 14 of the NGOs are involved in Ukraine. They are primarily funded by USAID funding. There are 5 NGOs tethered to the DoD and funded through the Pentagon.

One of the top donors to a pro-Biden dark-money group is a non-profit run by an early AI and cryptocurrency investors. the non-profit arm of Future Forward, They run the primary Super PAC supporting Biden, run by James McClave and Emily Berger. The couple work at Jane Street, a Manhattan trading firm, and McClave was an early investor and are principal shareholders in the AI company Anthropic. They are also heavily leveraged in cryptocurrency. They also by chance sit on the majority of boards of the NGOs that are indirectly tied to Biden's 27 senior advisors. The same advisors responsible for distributing the NGOs contracts. 77% of Biden's staff were from the Obama administration. These are the people who are running this country not Mr Potato Head.

Tax records for 2022 reviewed by Comer's Staff, which have publicly not been reported provided by an IRS whistleblower, show that BEMC 4 Association, a non-profit whose only two executives are McClave and Berger, received $7.2 billion and was distributed to Future Forward USA Action in 2022, From there it's dispersed to the next level NGOs most of which are stationed down on the border. That's more than any group other than the George Soros-linked Open Society Policy Center, which got $15.2 million from various gov contracts vis USAID and the State Department that year.

These deals go on a daily basis and it's not just Biden. All these hawkish politicians on both sides are wetting their beaks in Ukraine. That's been a laundry mat for years and the crooked guard it with their lives and they are the ones that are all out to keep Trump out of the White House because he will expose it all.

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Naaahhhhh man.

This endless wars is all about stacking Russian bodies and liberating a totally democratic country without a smidgen of corruption to its name.

It has nothing to do with enriching Biden's cronies.

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It's not just Biden/Obama cronies. It's Neocons like Lindsey Graham, Romney, L Cheney. et. al. And you could possibly include the Bushes in this as well. Remember the partner ship of the Clinton Foundation with Bush?

I know taboo subject here, but well, truth is truth.

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It has nothing to do with enriching Biden's cronies.

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It's not just Biden/Obama cronies. It's Neocons like Lindsey Graham, Romney, L Cheney. et. al. And you could possibly include the Bushes in this as well. Remember the partner ship of the Clinton Foundation with Bush?

I know taboo subject here, but well, truth is truth.

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I am with you from that perspective.

Neocons are the same as all the other grifters and that includes Republicans like the bushes, romney, Graham et.

When they go out of their way to protect their political opponents you know they all have aligning interests.

She's right. Putin has not been weakened, and he is now out-waiting the west.

Witnessing the collapse of the phoney UKRAINE narrative through popular culture. If you have a frigging Ukraine flag in your profile - for Gods sake change it now. pic.twitter.com/fUJ6jsNHZr

— Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) June 18, 2024

Today's sitrep. Spoiler alert: no peace deal, A-50 shoot down sort of confirmed.

Sorry, but I am going to (continue to) take a bit of a break from posting on this one for a while as it's just…gotten a bit stale, to be frank. Tucker's podcasts/shows or whatever with Erik Prince, and Jeffrey Sachs this past month were outstanding, fwiw.

Trump comments on cause of Ukraine war: Biden rhetoric.

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"I thought that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin may be well, look, he's a good negotiator, I thought he was going to be doing that for negotiation purposes," Trump said. "Then all of a sudden, they attacked, and I said, 'what's going on here?'"

According to the former president, one of the key issues was the rhetoric coming out of the White House.
"Biden was saying all of the wrong things. And one of the wrong things he was saying [was] 'no, Ukraine will go into NATO'," Trump said.

Sacks pointed out that in January 2022 or thereabouts, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Moscow that Ukraine would join NATO and that Washington thought it was OK to put nuclear weapons there. "So no wonder the Russians hit the roof," he noted.

"Well, let's say you were running Russia. You wouldn't be too happy," Trump replied. "And that's always been off the table. It's always been understood that that was a no-no," he added, addressing Kiev's potential NATO membership.

Floating the idea of Ukraine in NATO was "very provocative,"Trump said. "And now it's even more provocative. I hear routinely they're now talking about Ukraine entering NATO. And now I hear France wants to go in

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Yep, that's true. Glad this comes up as voters still have time to weigh a decision, perhaps, about a broader war with Russia/China. Russia has been a messaging vehicle for Democrats to "get Trump" since 2016 and Hillary's "Steele Dossier" of FBI-supported lies, at least, and through two impeachment efforts and now lawfare around his 'classified documents' case.

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Trump comments on cause of Ukraine war: Biden rhetoric.

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• 136 days until the US election.
• 849 days since Russia invaded to "de-nazify Ukraine."
• 3,775 days since Russia invaded to "protect ethnic Russians."

Which of these 3 isn't like the other 2?

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Trump comments on cause of Ukraine war: Biden rhetoric.

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• 136 days until the US election.
• 849 days since Russia invaded to "de-nazify Ukraine."
• 3,775 days since Russia invaded to "protect ethnic Russians."

Which of these 3 isn't like the other 2?

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Bidens "minor incursion" comment leading up to the invasion makes your math problem a non-sequitur.

Yeah, Russia spent over a year preparing and staging their forces for the full scale invasion (oops I mean feint) but only went ahead because addled peepaw babbled off script.

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Yeah, Russia spent over a year preparing and staging their forces for the full scale invasion (oops I mean feint) but only went ahead because addled peepaw babbled off script.

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Its actually much more nuanced than that, but yes. You are correct that messaging from the White House was 1 of the factors.

Far too nuanced for you to possibly explain, I'm sure

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Far too nuanced for you to possibly explain, I'm sure

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Dont confuse what you can comprehend with what I can explain.

Life is more complicated than Putin bad.

There it is. It's not that you can't make an argument, it's that everyone else couldn't possibly comprehend it because of the complexities and nuance and whatnot. Again. Troll harder.

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There it is. It's not that you can't make an argument, it's that everyone else couldn't possibly comprehend it because of the complexities and nuance and whatnot. Again. Troll harder.

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It is more complicated than Putin bad. Agree or disagree?

GIVE US ELECTIONS!

Ukrainians at the #EURo2024 are demanding elections. Isn’t the West fighting for democracy in Ukraine? pic.twitter.com/Jv4V6p9Ngl

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) June 21, 2024

Huge piles of crow coming for vast number of F16'rs.

One of the most important White House Ukraine narratives, "Russia's war in Ukraine was unprovoked," is crumbling.
Trump, and now Farage, are openly stating Russia was provoked into this conflict. This is a big deal and a big blow to the White House's carefully crafted Ukraine… pic.twitter.com/lSni2ppNN3

— Alex Christoforou (@AXChristoforou) June 21, 2024