Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Your summations are not ever accurate, respectfully, though again I don't consider you honest so maybe that is not fully true.

Someone quoting your snark about it I decided to provide a source/more accurate data today. Not sure that article was posted earlier, it's from last month (LeMonde publishes a lot of articles). In any matter, it sure sounds like most Ukrainians don't want to fight much longer. "This could be the moment Putin Wins the War in Ukraine."

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Leo sat hunched over a steaming bowl of borscht, a Ukrainian soup, as he spoke. He fears he has a concussion after a mine detonated near him. Right now, he believes the battles in the Kharkiv region are "stationary. [Russians] are polishing off everything with artillery on those positions. We were first on the closest positions. Then we were pushed back a bit, given a few days to rest, but they are also shelling there, but not as often. It's all day long, shooting, all day long, artillery."
"I just want to go home," Leo said.

The country's military is facing constant setbacks as Russia's military advances. Ukraine is having a hard time recruiting new soldiers, and a poll by InfoSapiens, a Ukrainian research agency, stated that just 35 percent of men not already fighting are willing to serve. Ukraine's military has had to resort to increasingly unpopular measures to ensure that there are still able bodies fighting on the front lines.
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While residents from the front lines are fleeing to Kharkiv, many who lived in the city center are now leaving for safer regions as the counteroffensive looms. Should the entire oblast fall, it could set up an opportunity for Russia to take control of all of eastern Ukraine, something it has been attempting for 10 years. Should Russia effectively split the country in two, it could be all but impossible for Kyiv to regain control of its entire territory, not least since we could be a matter of months away from the return of President Trump, who is likely to push for a negotiated settlement at the earliest opportunity. If Russia is able to make swift gains before the November elections in the U.S. it would be negotiating from a hugely strengthened position.
Some mostly on the left maybe happy with the war's status, but Ukrainians apparently are generally not:
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Ukrainians in 2024
If you are tired of this war, imagine how exhausted Ukrainians must be. In a poll carried out at the beginning of the year by the research agency Info Sapiens, 35 percent of Ukrainians said they felt happy, while 58 percent reported being unhappy. In 2022, just 19 percent of us were unhappy.

Another poll, by the Democratic Initiatives Fund think tank, found that some 60 percent of Ukrainians still look with hope to the future. But anxiety is rising. Ukrainians still largely believe in each other, in their army and in its ability to eventually repel a Russian attack. However, fewer think the country will regain the territories Russia has occupied since 2022.
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Most people in a country being invaded and murdered are "generally unhappy"? Really?

And yet not a single solitary poll refuting the BBB's 65% approval for Zelensky haut 5 days ago. The fact is, you just don't have one. Nothing. Only conjecture,
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I guess I don't understand how Putin is "capitulating". That is nonsensical.
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Irrefutable Reuters article yesterday.


And it's quite telling that the side that's said they just want this war to end seem so upset that may in fact be happening soon.
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Teslag said:

Irrefutable Reuters article yesterday.


And it's quite telling that the side that's said they just want this war to end seem so upset that may in fact be happening soon.


And yet WSJ has articles right now that mention nothing of the sort.

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While Ukraine is struggling to hold back Russian forces along the northern and eastern fronts, ATACMS, which stands for Army Tactical Missile System, has allowed Kyiv to menace Russia's hold on Crimea, focusing largely on high-value targets such as air-defense systems, jet fighters and warships.


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The strikes come as front lines in the north and east of the country are under pressure from growing Russian offensives. Russia quickly seized a handful of villages and the northern part of the city of Vovchansk after sending troops over the border into the Kharkiv region earlier this month. Ukraine has largely halted progress there, while Russian forces are inching forward to the east but have seized only one city, Avdiivka, this year.


How is capitulation being defined here?
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I, unfortunately, see no credible evidence this thing is almost over. Just distractions and bloviating from a known agitator on this site.

I remain opposed to the continued persecution of christians in Ukraine by the Z regime.
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I hope it ends. I hope Putin faces embarrassment.

When it does hopefully we won't be sending any more money there. Bet I am wrong about that. Guessing we will send money to rebuild and repair Ukraine. When that happens will the small government conservatives be against that?
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Teslag said:

Irrefutable Reuters article yesterday.


And it's quite telling that the side that's said they just want this war to end seem so upset that may in fact be happening soon.


How many articles similar to this have been released since this started?
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It's been out one day but just about every news org is carrying it
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Here is the latest update on Putin's irrefutable "surrender" (which he repudiated himself):





Meanwhile…Russians keep advancing:



Forever war, comrades!
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Perhaps we can get some clarification as to why they are still launching air raids even after their surrender.

Hope is turning out to be a really bad strategy.
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Teslag said:

It's been out one day but just about every news org is carrying it


Can you link it?
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backintexas2013 said:

I hope it ends. I hope Putin faces embarrassment.

When it does hopefully we won't be sending any more money there. Bet I am wrong about that. Guessing we will send money to rebuild and repair Ukraine. When that happens will the small government conservatives be against that?


The US will absolutely rebuild the parts of Ukraine that is not ceded to Putin via its corporate lackeys. Blackrock, etc. They are already stage left and stage right waiting for their queue. There have been a few articles on this.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-frontlines-sources-say-2024-05-24/
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Teslag said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-frontlines-sources-say-2024-05-24/
I personally spoke with 11 people close to Putin (on condition of anonymity), and they said that he feels completely defeated, and can't sleep at night knowing he's led to so much death and destruction. It's so bad, one of the 11 said, that he drinks two bottles of Vodka per day, and takes micro-doses of Fentanyl (supplied by President Xi) to be able to fall sleep.

Putin was unavailable for comment; likely due to the Vodka mixing with Fentanyl.
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peacedude said:

Teslag said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-frontlines-sources-say-2024-05-24/
I personally spoke with 11 people close to Putin (on condition of anonymity), and they said that he feels completely defeated, and can't sleep at night knowing he's led to so much death and destruction. It's so bad, one of the 11 said, that he drinks two bottles of Vodka per day, and takes micro-doses of Fentanyl (supplied by President Xi) to be able to fall sleep.

Putin was unavailable for comment; likely due to the Vodka mixing with Fentanyl.
Well, I spoke to 12 and all said the real Putin died of Covid.
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Covid-24? I knew Ukraine still had operational bio-weapons labs!
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But will the warhawks support it?
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Brussels is led/run by the worst people.
Absolute truth they are wicked to the core. As I said Putin is a saint compared to the "leadership" in the west and that is pretty much across the board, US/Germany/France/UK especially. These are certified 'antichrist'.

But ya know, there are those where who are living in an old bubble that believes we are really 'a force for good'

We stopped being a force for good quite a while back. We used to be just naive and stupid, now we are just down right evil!
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OPAG said:

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Brussels is led/run by the worst people.
Absolute truth they are wicked to the core. As I said Putin is a saint compared to the "leadership" in the west and that is pretty much across the board, US/Germany/France/UK especially. These are certified 'antichrist'.

But ya know, there are those where who are living in an old bubble that believes we are really 'a force for good'

We stopped being a force for good quite a while back. We used to be just naive and stupid, now we are just down right evil!
JFC

Putin would be much more likely to have you offed NKVD-style.

The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
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Teslag said:

Irrefutable Reuters article yesterday.


And it's quite telling that the side that's said they just want this war to end seem so upset that may in fact be happening soon.
Reuters!???!??! Oh yes a bastion of great true unadulterated news. They were the same group censoring any Covid Vax disagreement.

Again, Reed Mckenzie IV my gosh.
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OPAG said:

Teslag said:

Irrefutable Reuters article yesterday.


And it's quite telling that the side that's said they just want this war to end seem so upset that may in fact be happening soon.
Reuters!???!??! Oh yes a bastion of great true unadulterated news. They were the same group censoring any Covid Vax disagreement.

Again, Reed Mckenzie IV my gosh.
I suppose we should listen to rt.com, TASS, and a bunch of Russian fan fiction bloggers instead?
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The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
I am curious if you know what a Malthusian is?

That is what the leadership of the west is. They want to depopulate the world, They want to destroy the middle classes of the US especially, because we have guns. They fear people with guns.
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The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
Yea, in comparison the them yes. Have you forgotten who was behind the whole 'Russia, Russia, Russia' lie. The MSM, Who was behind the censoring of any one coming against Fauci, the NIH and CDC or FDA (all corrupt as hell, because that is who they worship.

As far as taking people out NKVD style, we have stacked many more bodes than Putin and it's not even close.

I have personally been threatened "subtly' by the way. I know what i am talking about.
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OPAG said:

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The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
I am curious if you know what a Malthusian is?

That is what the leadership of the west is. They want to depopulate the world, They want to destroy the middle classes of the US especially, because we have guns. They fear people with guns.
Luckily...

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As I said Putin is a saint

And he would NEVER do anything like that. He LOVES an armed populace.
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Ag with kids said:

OPAG said:

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The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
I am curious if you know what a Malthusian is?

That is what the leadership of the west is. They want to depopulate the world, They want to destroy the middle classes of the US especially, because we have guns. They fear people with guns.
Luckily...

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As I said Putin is a saint

And he would NEVER do anything like that. He LOVES an armed populace.
And there it is a massive spin to say what I did not say AT ALL>

Please don't twist my words. What I did I say" FINISH THE REAL COMMENT>

I said "... Putin is a saint COMPARED TO WHO?"

I will stand by that. Don't pull that BS on me!
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OPAG said:

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The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
Yea, in comparison the them yes. Have you forgotten who was behind the whole 'Russia, Russia, Russia' lie. The MSM, Who was behind the censoring of any one coming against Fauci, the NIH and CDC or FDA (all corrupt as hell, because that is who they worship.

As far as taking people out NKVD style, we have stacked many more bodes than Putin and it's not even close.

I have personally been threatened "subtly' by the way. I know what i am talking about.
This is not just wrong, it's ridiculously wrong...

Do you even have a clue what the NKVD did? And HOW they did it?

Letting your hate for Biden translate into dismissal of Putin's **** is just...sad...
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And he would NEVER do anything like that. He LOVES an armed populace.
I never said he loved an armed populace. Again more BS twisting, just stop.
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OPAG said:

Ag with kids said:

OPAG said:

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The other *******s just want economic control where they get to be the ones on top.
I am curious if you know what a Malthusian is?

That is what the leadership of the west is. They want to depopulate the world, They want to destroy the middle classes of the US especially, because we have guns. They fear people with guns.
Luckily...

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As I said Putin is a saint

And he would NEVER do anything like that. He LOVES an armed populace.
And there it is a massive spin to say what I did not say AT ALL>

Please don't twist my words. What I did I say" FINISH THE REAL COMMENT>

I said "... Putin is a saint COMPARED TO WHO?"

I will stand by that. Don't pull that BS on me!
You used that comparison to say imply he wasn't that bad.

He is that bad. He's actually worse.

Yes...he's worse than the "the leadership of the west".
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You used that comparison to say imply he wasn't that bad.

He is that bad. He's actually worse.

Yes...he's worse than the "the leadership of the west".
Total BS, I said what I said, do not twist it to mean what I did not say.

The leaders of the west, MSM are more evil then Putin and I will stand be that.

Our leadership wants your demise. Why the border, the covid scam, the climate scam. I could go on, but you just keep your eyes focus and big bad Putin and Russia. MY gosh, get a brain. Please
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Quote: Yes...he's worse than "the leadership of the west."

The 3-letter agencies are the true "leaders" of the west, and Putin is a tee-baller compared to their MLB HOFer statuses.

NSA
CIA
FBI
WHO
WEF
FDA
CDC
NIH
EPA
HBC
SAG

Edit: 3-letter
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As I said Putin is a saint compared to the "leadership" in the west and that is pretty much across the board,


Good God. Some of you really need to deploy and see how ****ed up this world really is.
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Good God. Some of you really need to deploy and see how ****ed up this world really is
I can assure I have 'deployed' a lot more than you. LOL
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You don't know that
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Yea I do.
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