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Russia is in absolutely no hurry at all. They are executing their game plan. They are in no hurry to end this. They have no need to be in a hurry, none at all.

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Their game plan was to send their best officers, troops, and equipment into Ukraine in February of 2022, push to the doorstep of Kiev, then lose them all, lose 60% of those gains, and then spend the next 18 months taking virtually nothing while losing even more equipment to the point they have to beg North Korea for weapons, while the west sends more and more lethal aid to Ukraine?

Or are we still pretending this is 1943 and Russia can win by throwing bodies and rifles at the problem?


And now their latest "offensive" has completely stalled in another pathetic attempt to do something.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-isw-maps-offensive-falter-1902961

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The bolded statement is just more delusion, where in tarnation are you getting your info from?

So funny, at one point, they are saying that if Ukraine falls Russia will just keep going. and then they are stuck in a stalemate with a rapidly deteriorating Ukraine. Which is it?

My gosh, stupid is as stupid does. Forest Gump.

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The bolded statement is just more delusion, where in tarnation are you getting your info from?

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Reality, because all of that literally happened. Have you looked at the Ukraine war maps since February of 2022? In 18 months lines haven't changed. It's literally a stalemate.

Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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"Aggressively uninformed" might as well be the official slogan of a certain contingent of F16 posters.

I'm not so sure of the stalemate narrative. Ukraine's 2nd largest city wasn't being shelled 3 months ago. That implies lines are moving.

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GAC06 said:

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Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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"Aggressively uninformed" might as well be the official slogan of a certain contingent of F16 posters.

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Ya, how hard is it to simply look at a map and see that lines haven't moved. Even in the Adviika area the Russians gained a tiny speck on the map and then were stopped cold. And now there's a tiny gray zone intrusion north of Kharkiv and that Russian offensive attempt is now stalled.

If the lines are moving, just zoom out

"the lines haven't moved"

"Russia gained a tiny spec"

Its not both

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Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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I can assure I am anything but 'uniformed', it is just not coming ONLY from the Uke/Cabal/Biden sources

Teslag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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GAC06 said:

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Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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"Aggressively uninformed" might as well be the official slogan of a certain contingent of F16 posters.

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Ya, how hard is it to simply look at a map and see that lines haven't moved. Even in the Adviika area the Russians gained a tiny speck on the map and then were stopped cold. And now there's a tiny gray zone intrusion north of Kharkiv and that Russian offensive attempt is now stalled.

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The problem is you are totally ignorant of Russian strategy here. You are making the same mistake everyone who decides it is good idea to attempt to defeat Russian in land war in their region.

You are also ignorant of other issues that were going on 'under the rind', when all this stuff started 'breaking out'!

Remember the last election with all the Ukrainian influence? Na probably not. How about all the Cabel/Soros/Obama BS about "Russia, Russia, Russia" that was totally debunked? Remember that.

Remember when Putin met Trump and handed him a soccer ball and said, "it's now in your court"? Do you have any idea what that was about. Of course you don't.

I do know entirely what it was about. Ya want to know?

Here a hint for ya. Let me ask another question. Who did Zelensky say was going to be the "minister of education" when it looked like they were going to win? Do you remember or know? I do.

here is another hint. She is a literal occult witch with strong ties to Clinton/ Obama many of the Cabal and Hollywood elites. Ever here of "Spirit Cooking"? How about "Pizza Gate"?

Can you name her. Let me just spell it out for you. M A R I A A B R O M O V I C H..
Google is you friend. go look her up. Yea that one. The one Microsoft sought to make a rep and got absolutely over whelmed with post. That is who Zelensky said would be in charge of education in the new Ukraine.

Do you really have any idea of what Ukraine has been for years? Like the hub of sex trafficking, drug trafficking, money laundering and about every wicked thing that evil men can do.

I could go on, Shall I!

As you are a military genius here, riddle me this?

How did we have such incredible intel on when and where Russia was going to invade Ukraine?

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Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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I can assure I am anything but 'uniformed', it is just not coming ONLY from the Uke/Cabal/Biden sources

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If you were well informed you wouldn't have looked like a fool denying everything Teslag said that was factual.

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As you are a military genius here, riddle me this?

How did we have such incredible intel on when and where Russia was going to invade Ukraine?

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Because they spent a year staging their forces for the invasion?

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What was behind Trump's two impeachment attempts? Do you remember. Hmmm probably not.

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Wrong! We had very specific info, even timing.

How did we get it? Let me educate you. The Russians told US military exactly what they were going to do. The question was if they did this would the US commit troops to fight. The answer was clearly given them, NO, no US troops will be committed to this fight. No more Vietnams.

This is truth whether you believe it or not, does not change it.

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The problem is you are totally ignorant of Russian strategy here. You are making the same mistake everyone who decides it is good idea to attempt to defeat Russian in land war in their region.

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Which part of Russian strategy was having their best success with a PMC? That later turned on Russia and their leader had to be killed. Or was the strategy devised by the numerous Russian generals that have either been fired or pushed out of a window? Or which strategy was it to have no logistical support at all. Or the grand strategy to defeat Ukraine in two weeks as their official state mouthpieces claimed over and over again only to be stuck in a two year quagmire with no gains to speak of in 18 months.

And now, here we are with them literally begging the likes of North Korea for weapons on multiple occasions.

You don't know what Russia's strategy is because Russia doesn't even know what their strategy is.

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What was behind Trump's two impeachment attempts? Do you remember. Hmmm probably not.

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Wrong! We had very specific info, even timing.

How did we get it? Let me educate you. The Russians told US military exactly what they were going to do. The question was if they did this would the US commit troops to fight. The answer was clearly given them, NO, no US troops will be committed to this fight. No more Vietnams.

This is truth whether you believe it or not, does not change it.

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You're quoting something I didn't say. What are you talking about? Who are you trying to talk to?

Of course the Cabal heads of state want US troops to be committed. They want to keep Ukraine as their center of all kinds of wicked and illicit activity.

The reality is this not just a myopic issue, it is not the old school USSR verse the old Reagan led west.

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What was behind Trump's two impeachment attempts? Do you remember. Hmmm probably not.

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Wrong! We had very specific info, even timing.

How did we get it? Let me educate you. The Russians told US military exactly what they were going to do. The question was if they did this would the US commit troops to fight. The answer was clearly given them, NO, no US troops will be committed to this fight. No more Vietnams.

This is truth whether you believe it or not, does not change it.

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Russia believed we wouldn't commit weapons and to their credit we had no intention of doing so. But what Russia didn't count on was Ukrainians really not wanting to be Russians and they got punched in the mouth. When Ukraine showed they could actually fight we committed weapons. And with every new weapon system Russia would claim it's another red line and they'd use nukes. HIMARS? We will use nukes. Patriots? We will use nukes. M1's? We will use nukes. F16's? We will use nukes. ATACMS? We will use nukes. Cluster munitions? we will use nukes. Long range ATACMS? We will use nukes.

Russia is all talk. That's all they ever do. Tell you what they will do and then never do it. Because they can't and they know it.

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Which part of Russian strategy was having their best success with a PMC? That later turned on Russia and their leader had to be killed. Or was the strategy devised by the numerous Russian generals that have either been fired or pushed out of a window? Or which strategy was it to have no logistical support at all. Or the grand strategy to defeat Ukraine in two weeks as their official state mouthpieces claimed over and over again only to be stuck in a two year quagmire with no gains to speak of in 18 months.

And now, here we are with them literally begging the likes of North Korea for weapons on multiple occasions.

You don't know what Russia's strategy is because Russia doesn't even know what their strategy is.

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Your ignorance of history is showing, Russia has always been this way at the start of wars.

They have just used it reveal and purge. Russia needed this just like Israel needed a Hamas intrusion.

So yea, that was to some degree Russian stratgy, They play the long game, as always.

Let's look at the result.

1. Putin is more "popular" and entrenched then ever.
2. The Russian military has been purged.
3. The Russian economy has not been destroyed but revitalized and now is on a firm war footing
4. The Russian military has adapted (as they always do)
5. Ukraine has been virtually taken out as hub for sex and drug trafficking (Thousands of Russian girls were trafficked though Ukraine to all part of the world, especially the ME. that has stopped)>

Now, the Russian;s can just set back and take their time. Let the US and waist their (0UR) money and resources. Every time the UKES launch an attack into Russian infrastructure the the Russians respond 3x in kind.

They are in no hurry here.

It's no longer 1943. Russia simply can't throw bodies and old rifles at the problem. Modern weapons have evened the playing field and the US and Europe have no issue throwing pennies at the problem while Russia struggles to keep up.

You can stay whatever you want, but Russia absolutely 100% didn't see themselves still stuck in this thing two years later.

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Russia is all talk. That's all they ever do. Tell you what they will do and then never do it. Because they can't and they know it.

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Well this the same line that all those that engage with Russia in a land war believe, and they always lose. LOL

I notice you are not dealing with any of the outlier, just trying to deal with military issue on this That is a mistake.

I notice you did not answer the conundrum of "We must stop Russian in Ukraine or else they will take over Poland and Nato next. Vs your assertation. "They can't even mount an offensive against a depleted Ukraine."

Which is it?

Also there are lot of Ukrainian's leaving Ukraine that don't want to fight the Russian. Or do you just ignore that?

Throwing pennies? lol. That's rich. Hope you never ***** about government spending again. Wait till we forgive CA unemployment overpayments. I hope you are ok with that even though it's not your pet project.

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Well this the same line that all those that engage with Russia in a land war believe, and they always lose. LOL

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Like Afghanistan?

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Russia is all talk. That's all they ever do. Tell you what they will do and then never do it. Because they can't and they know it.

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Well for country that does nothing but talk, they are now in possesion of a large part of Ukraine and I think it will be a very difficult task to force them to give it up.

There is an idea of modern warfare that I do not agree with. Yes Tech and power is critical but in the long run you have to have boots on the ground to win and hold a territory.

All this has done is galvanize Russia and driven them into an alliance with China. That is not a good thing in my mind.

Why? To defend Biden and the cabal's play ground. NOT GOOD!

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Seems like a pretty aggressive stance for someone so uninformed

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I can assure I am anything but 'uniformed', it is just not coming ONLY from the Uke/Cabal/Biden sources

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If you were well informed you wouldn't have looked like a fool denying everything Teslag said that was factual.

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Teslag and factual should never go in the same sentence, in my opinion.

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Like Afghanistan?

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Afghanistan is not their region. LOL

and furthermore, the same could be said for us! LOL

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Throwing pennies? lol. That's rich. Hope you never ***** about government spending again. Wait till we forgive CA unemployment overpayments. I hope you are ok with that even though it's not your pet project.

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How much do we spend on defense per year? How much have we spent on Ukraine over two and a half years? How much of that number is book values of surplus equipment?

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Like Afghanistan?

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Afghanistan is not their region. LOL

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What major war have they won "in their region" in the last 50 years?

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What major war have they won "in their region" in the last 50 years?

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What major war has there been in their region in the last 50 years?

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What major war have they won "in their region" in the last 50 years?

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What major war has there been in their region in the last 50 years?

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Exactly. You're basing your argument on something that has no example of happening in modern warfare.

How much is letting California not pay back overpayment? How much is bailing out teamster pension? How much is anybody else's pet project? Just want to make sure you are consistent. If you are ok with your pet project don't ***** about others.

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How much is letting California not pay back overpayment? How much is bailing out teamster pension? How much is anybody else's pet project? Just want to make sure you are consistent. If you are ok with your pet project don't ***** about others.

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I don't care about those things, perhaps you're on the wrong thread.

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How much is letting California not pay back overpayment? How much is bailing out teamster pension? How much is anybody else's pet project? Just want to make sure you are consistent. If you are ok with your pet project don't ***** about others.

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Not to mention entitlements given to illegal aliens.

Ok just want to make sure you never ***** about government spending.

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backintexas2013 said:

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How much is letting California not pay back overpayment? How much is bailing out teamster pension? How much is anybody else's pet project? Just want to make sure you are consistent. If you are ok with your pet project don't ***** about others.

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I don't care about those things, perhaps you're on the wrong thread.

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It's about money. it is related. That is the problem, being myopic. Stuck in an old mindset.

Just want to make sure you're not going to address the actual amount spent versus what we already spend on defense, which is not significant