I can do that too.

I choose to believe the US led colour revolution, propaganda campaign and the funnelling of funds ti buy the political class of Ukraine is what fomented and empowered the anti-Russia Ukrainians.

Sure some are Ukes are fighting and dying. There is also a massive number who refuse to fight. Many exiled in other countries waiting it out.

They voted in the gov't prior to the 2014 coup. Wasn't the US wrong in overthrowing that democratically elected leader? They denied the Ukrainian people their sovereignty.

There's a huge population of Ukranians that see the Russians as liberators. I'm sure thats hard for you to comprehend though.

To deny the US's roll provoking Russia into action is either ill informed or simply disingenuous.

The problem with your assertion is that Ukrainians have never wanted to be Russian well before even faux "coup".

In 1991 Ukrainians voted 93% yes for their own sovereignty and formed an independent state. Even the ethnic Russians voted 55% for independence.


Ukrainians do not want to be Russians. Stop trying to force their subjugation.

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pure land grab
total land grab
simple land grab


Pick whichever you want. Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia (as his essay outlines). NATO is an excuse. Always has been.

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I suppose what the west has been attempting to do is a "nuanced land grab", but thats different.

I'm going to figure out who you actually are in real life. Adam Schiff maybe…

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The problem with your assertion is that Ukrainians have never wanted to be Russian well before even faux "coup".

In 1991 Ukrainians voted 93% yes for their own sovereignty and formed an independent state. Even the ethnic Russians voted 55% for independence.


Ukrainians do not want to be Russians. Stop trying to force their subjugation.

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I didn't say they want to be Russian. I said many view Russia as liberators. From a western corrupted political class that provoked them into war.

At least you admitted there was a coup. Progress…

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I can do that too.

I choose to believe the US led colour revolution, propaganda campaign and the funnelling of funds ti buy the political class of Ukraine is what fomented and empowered the anti-Russia Ukrainians.

Sure some are Ukes are fighting and dying. There is also a massive number who refuse to fight. Many exiled in other countries waiting it out.

They voted in the gov't prior to the 2014 coup. Wasn't the US wrong in overthrowing that democratically elected leader? They denied the Ukrainian people their sovereignty.

There's a huge population of Ukranians that see the Russians as liberators. I'm sure thats hard for you to comprehend though.

To deny the US's roll provoking Russia into action is either ill informed or simply disingenuous.

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"A huge part of the population" that has failed to establish any legitimate momentum to return to having a Russian puppet leader in charge since they kicked the last one out of the country.

Sounds to me like both the US/West and Russia were meddling and the Ukrainian people made their choice. Then they made their choice again in 2019 by not even attempting to elevate another pro Russian stooge. But I'm sure you have just as much of a problem with Russia meddling in Ukrainian affairs as you do the US.

Grapes said:

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Teslag said:

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pure land grab
total land grab
simple land grab


Pick whichever you want. Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia (as his essay outlines). NATO is an excuse. Always has been.

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I suppose what the west has been attempting to do is a "nuanced land grab", but thats different.

I'm going to figure out who you actually are in real life. Adam Schiff maybe…

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NATO is a voluntary defensive pact. You said earlier that Russia will either take Ukraine or keep killing their people. And that's the only deal they get.


And then you wonder why they want to join a defensive pact.

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Grapes said:

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I can do that too.

I choose to believe the US led colour revolution, propaganda campaign and the funnelling of funds ti buy the political class of Ukraine is what fomented and empowered the anti-Russia Ukrainians.

Sure some are Ukes are fighting and dying. There is also a massive number who refuse to fight. Many exiled in other countries waiting it out.

They voted in the gov't prior to the 2014 coup. Wasn't the US wrong in overthrowing that democratically elected leader? They denied the Ukrainian people their sovereignty.

There's a huge population of Ukranians that see the Russians as liberators. I'm sure thats hard for you to comprehend though.

To deny the US's roll provoking Russia into action is either ill informed or simply disingenuous.

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"A huge part of the population" that has failed to establish any legitimate momentum to return to having a Russian puppet leader in charge since they kicked the last one out of the country.

Sounds to me like both the US/West and Russia were meddling and the Ukrainian people made their choice. Then they made their choice again in 2019 by not even attempting to elevate another pro Russian stooge. But I'm sure you have just as much of a problem with Russia meddling in Ukrainian affairs as you do the US.

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And most, if not all, of that "huge population" is already under Russian control. Yet Russia doesn't want to stop there. They want all Ukrainians to be Russians.

Or, as the other poster said, they can choose death.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Grapes said:

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I can do that too.

I choose to believe the US led colour revolution, propaganda campaign and the funnelling of funds ti buy the political class of Ukraine is what fomented and empowered the anti-Russia Ukrainians.

Sure some are Ukes are fighting and dying. There is also a massive number who refuse to fight. Many exiled in other countries waiting it out.

They voted in the gov't prior to the 2014 coup. Wasn't the US wrong in overthrowing that democratically elected leader? They denied the Ukrainian people their sovereignty.

There's a huge population of Ukranians that see the Russians as liberators. I'm sure thats hard for you to comprehend though.

To deny the US's roll provoking Russia into action is either ill informed or simply disingenuous.

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"A huge part of the population" that has failed to establish any legitimate momentum to return to having a Russian puppet leader in charge since they kicked the last one out of the country.

Sounds to me like both the US/West and Russia were meddling and the Ukrainian people made their choice. Then they made their choice again in 2019 by not even attempting to elevate another pro Russian stooge. But I'm sure you have just as much of a problem with Russia meddling in Ukrainian affairs as you do the US.

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Yes 100% I do. Not sure how we measure which meddling is better or worse than, the other.

We could start by not invading their country on 3 fronts, firing rockets and missiles into their residences and infrastructure, or brutally raping and murdering their citizens in the street.


That's where I'd start when trying to determine who the baddies are.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Grapes said:

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I can do that too.

I choose to believe the US led colour revolution, propaganda campaign and the funnelling of funds ti buy the political class of Ukraine is what fomented and empowered the anti-Russia Ukrainians.

Sure some are Ukes are fighting and dying. There is also a massive number who refuse to fight. Many exiled in other countries waiting it out.

They voted in the gov't prior to the 2014 coup. Wasn't the US wrong in overthrowing that democratically elected leader? They denied the Ukrainian people their sovereignty.

There's a huge population of Ukranians that see the Russians as liberators. I'm sure thats hard for you to comprehend though.

To deny the US's roll provoking Russia into action is either ill informed or simply disingenuous.

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"A huge part of the population" that has failed to establish any legitimate momentum to return to having a Russian puppet leader in charge since they kicked the last one out of the country.

Sounds to me like both the US/West and Russia were meddling and the Ukrainian people made their choice. Then they made their choice again in 2019 by not even attempting to elevate another pro Russian stooge. But I'm sure you have just as much of a problem with Russia meddling in Ukrainian affairs as you do the US.

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And most, if not all, of that "huge population" is already under Russian control. Yet Russia doesn't want to stop there. They want all Ukrainians to be Russians.

Or, as the other poster said, they can choose death.

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You may be right that they want all of Ukraine at this point. It's a problem for sure. The US is already dividing up the spoils for Blackrock, banks, etc….

I don't think either is good

Long update today. Spoiler; Russian controlled areas keep getting inexorably bigger.

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And now even Sokol/Sokil on the west side is being approached, with Russian troops moving up Karl Marx Avenue from Soloviev and engaging in battles with AFU troops on the outskirts of the small settlement.

Zooming out, we can once again see that the key hub of the region, Kostantinovka, is slowly being enveloped by the salients pushing in from Ocheretino and Chasov Yar, with the Ocheretino, the southern portion of the pincer now 10km from cutting Konstantinovka's MSR:

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It's all well-sourced as usual, and the troop shortages as well as delays in 'aid' sound quite grim. The new airfield in Belgorod surely does impute a pending new northern front:

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Could it be in preparation for increased aerial support for a new northern campaign?

As the above FT article noted, some are claiming Russia would utilize only 20-40k troops to enter from the northhypothetically. This isn't enough to capture the entire region or Kharkov city itself, however that may not be the point.

As the implication goes, the force may merely be to divert Ukrainian troops from the deteriorating Donbass line in order to create much bigger breakthroughs. The Ukrainian officer in the article admitted they don't have enough troops to effectively resist in both areas.

This would once again be part and parcel to the Russian piecemeal strategy of 'nibbling' Ukraine away little by little in the grand attritional wardeath by a thousand cuts from every side.

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Sounds like the Biden Nuland war will be culminating just as he is booted from office, imho.


So, there's that.

Much more at the link, including informed speculation the mail warehouse in Odessa the Russians struck contained a large cache of 155mm ammo, and the death of some "Texas" character.

Forever war, comrades!

So your "link" is just a screen shot of a headline and we can't read the rest of the article nor find out where it's from?

Guess your post also failed the war correspondent's review, nortex.

I was waiting for this one;

It should come as no surprise anymore, but Russia is being blamed for the Israel related protests in the US.

It's quite amazing how big of a reach the gas station with nukes with the GDP the size of Texas has in the most powerful and rich country in the world. pic.twitter.com/S6TdXyuHw4

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) May 2, 2024

Grapes said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Grapes said:

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I can do that too.

I choose to believe the US led colour revolution, propaganda campaign and the funnelling of funds ti buy the political class of Ukraine is what fomented and empowered the anti-Russia Ukrainians.

Sure some are Ukes are fighting and dying. There is also a massive number who refuse to fight. Many exiled in other countries waiting it out.

They voted in the gov't prior to the 2014 coup. Wasn't the US wrong in overthrowing that democratically elected leader? They denied the Ukrainian people their sovereignty.

There's a huge population of Ukranians that see the Russians as liberators. I'm sure thats hard for you to comprehend though.

To deny the US's roll provoking Russia into action is either ill informed or simply disingenuous.

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"A huge part of the population" that has failed to establish any legitimate momentum to return to having a Russian puppet leader in charge since they kicked the last one out of the country.

Sounds to me like both the US/West and Russia were meddling and the Ukrainian people made their choice. Then they made their choice again in 2019 by not even attempting to elevate another pro Russian stooge. But I'm sure you have just as much of a problem with Russia meddling in Ukrainian affairs as you do the US.

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Yes 100% I do. Not sure how we measure which meddling is better or worse than, the other.

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I'm sure on that. The country who launched an invasion with the goal of conquering a country who never attacked them, destroyed cities, murdered civilians, and is solely responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on both sides is exponentially worse. At least in my opinion, others are free to disagree.

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Guess your post also failed the war correspondent's review, nortex.

I was waiting for this one;

It should come as no surprise anymore, but Russia is being blamed for the Israel related protests in the US.

It's quite amazing how big of a reach the gas station with nukes with the GDP the size of Texas has in the most powerful and rich country in the world. pic.twitter.com/S6TdXyuHw4

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) May 2, 2024

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Probably because they literally are.

Take a look at that Twitter account, Lord Bebo, armchair warlord, et al and you'll see fervent support and defense of Hamas and finger pointing at the west for Israeli "war crimes".


These people aren't our friends. They don't like us. And they do what they do because it works.

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So your "link" is just a screen shot of a headline and we can't read the rest of the article nor find out where it's from?

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You are again as always welcome to click through the link I provided at the top, Simplicius' update. Swiss paper Blick.



Fair use excerpt, trying to keep the thread readable/shortened update, and not just retort with insults etc.

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"The Russians will take over Donbass by October, then the conflict will freeze and we will have to negotiate with Putin," the publication quotes the words of an officer of the 5th assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which holds the defense in Chasovy Yar.

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If you do need more help just let me know. Thx and gig 'em!

Ah, a Simplicious update. Not opening that on a DOD work computer. Thanks for the warning!

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Ah, a Simplicious update. Not opening that on a DOD work computer. Thanks for the warning!

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Use your phone, use your personal tablet or laptop. You act like the link will take you to pornhub site. I'm sure some of the people at the DOD, have clicked on very questionable sites in the past.

It's just substack.

Russian senator calls for tribunal for neo-nazi protesters/shooters from 2014. Sounds right, they can set up their own 'J6 committee.'

On the '10 year funding' imbroglio;



I don't think the 10 year deal even passes/happens before the elections. It's too hot to touch now, politically.

Careful posting RT news sites on here. You will be labeled a Russian bot.

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Ah, a Simplicious update. Not opening that on a DOD work computer. Thanks for the warning!

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Use your phone, use your personal tablet or laptop. You act like the link will take you to pornhub site. I'm sure some of the people at the DOD, have clicked on very questionable sites in the past.

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I'd rather get caught looking at porn on a DOD computer than a Russian state media propaganda site. It is what it is and not worth risking my position and benefits.

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Teslag said:

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Ah, a Simplicious update. Not opening that on a DOD work computer. Thanks for the warning!

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Use your phone, use your personal tablet or laptop. You act like the link will take you to pornhub site. I'm sure some of the people at the DOD, have clicked on very questionable sites in the past.

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I'd rather get caught looking at porn on a DOD computer than a Russian state media propaganda site. It is what it is and not worth risking my position and benefits.

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I'm new here. This explains ALOT.

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Careful posting RT news sites on here. You will be labeled a Russian bot.

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lol having a counter opinion to the UKE borg will get you labeled a little Ivan and Putin supporter.

What types of positions and opinions would an actual real life supporter of Vladimir Putin have? What media sources would an actual Vladimir Putin support rely on and use for the basis of said positions and opinions?


Again, not naming anyone here anything. Just asking you to help me identify a real Putin supporter instead of someone simply labeled one to shut down debate.

There are nine Principles of War to guide the US military in warfare. They are objective, offensive, mass, economy of force, maneuver, unity of command, security, surprise, and simplicity. I will address where Ukraine is lacking. For the following reasons, Ukraine is relegated to fighting a war of attrition which plays into Russia's strength.

Objective - Ukraine wants to conduct large offensive operations but can't achieve it because it does not have the capability to breach because the Russian defenses are too wide and deep.

Offensive - Ukraine does not possess the suite of weapons and weapons systems to go on the to conduct deep movement to contact. It has HIMARS and drones for long-range fires, but it needs weapons systems like helicopters, bombers, fighters, and CAS to maneuver long distances to engage the Russians.

Maneuver - Refer to the explanation above.

Mass - Ukraine can't maneuver and go on deep offensive operations, thus it is incapable of massing forces at critical places and time in large offensive operations.

Surprise - Achieving tactical surprise is most often a good thing if your name is not Custer. Maneuver often shapes conditions to surprise enemy forces.

Ukraine clearly lacks the manpower to go on the offensive. Don't take my word for it, look at the summary of headlines (mostly European) in the update/link I provided this am, giving Ukrainian commanders opinions.

It's pretty laughable to see some go from 'always check nortex links' to "Now I can't click on that because I am at work, don't have a phone, worse than porn."

Or, listen to an American actual combat arms Russian expert; Ukraine has no possibility of reaching their objectives or defeating Russia.

‼️‼️🇺🇸MUST LISTEN--Retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis: pic.twitter.com/Dziomo9hQh

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) May 2, 2024

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Ukraine clearly lacks the manpower to go on the offensive.

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It's not just manpower. The latest aid package does not contain the types of weapons necessary for offensive operations. We have clearly let Ukraine know this is now a defensive war meant to freeze the current lines with very little man to man engagement. Which is far easier to do with limited man power.

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Ukraine clearly lacks the manpower to go on the offensive.

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It's not just manpower. The latest aid package does not contain the types of weapons necessary for offensive operations. We have clearly let Ukraine know this is now a defensive war meant to freeze the current lines with very little man to man engagement. Which is far easier to do with limited man power.

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I would like to know why this is. Surely our generals are cognizant of Ukraine's inability to conduct a full spectrum of warfare. Therefore, I think the decision to limit offensive weapons is political.

I don't think this is right. We gave them the longer range ATACM's just before the aid bill even. But, that was probably to assist with the Chinese objective of driving oil prices higher, and they haven't been employed against military targets really. There's really nothing we could 'give' them that would change the situation, short of nukes etc.

The first ATACMS delivered in the fall were used almost exclusively against miliary targets, including many airfields.

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Ukraine clearly lacks the manpower to go on the offensive.

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It's not just manpower. The latest aid package does not contain the types of weapons necessary for offensive operations. We have clearly let Ukraine know this is now a defensive war meant to freeze the current lines with very little man to man engagement. Which is far easier to do with limited man power.

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I would like to know why this is. Surely our generals are cognizant of Ukraine's inability to conduct a full spectrum of warfare. Therefore, I think the decision to limit offensive weapons is political.

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Ukraine had their chance to show they could conduct a successful offensive last summer. They couldn't get it down. A defensive war is more practical and far easier to to conduct against a Russia army that can also not conduct an offensive (at last check they have gained less ground than Ukraine did last summer).

The objectives are now clear. Freeze and maintain the stalemate with periodic aid packages for a fraction of our defense budget and eventually get Ukraine in NATO. Then it's over.

Contemplate Air, Land and Sea - Combined Arms.

The contingency plan should the US enter the war is fielding an armor and infantry division. US V
Corps HQs forward is currently located in Poland to include thousands of prepositioned military vehicles. What we will bring to the fight in addition to those army divisions are attack helicopters, bombers, fighters, and CAS. I am fairly confident we would kick major ass quickly. Ukraine is sans those air assets.

Plenty of Ukrainians in the east and Crimea identify as Russian. Don't spread propaganda.

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Plenty of Ukrainians in the east and Crimea identify as Russian. Don't spread propaganda.

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And with them now living under Russian occupation Putin will be satisfied with current lines… right?

I didn't say that. But to suggest there aren't many ethic Russians that have lived generations in the East and Crimea who don't identify as Russian is simply wrong.