Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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The entire US territory had been part of the English empire previously. Weird, right?


Do we really need to go down that line again? No. We can argue about maps of the region all day, but it's irrelevant. They were linked over time in various ways. The people there today all know it.



Using that logic, India is actually part of the UK since they took over back in the mid 19th century.

Nevermind that they didn't WANT TO BE part...like the Ukrainians don't, but...they WERE!!!
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Ok. Yet, for some reason we are not sanctioning the Brits over fighting to subjugate India for so long. And India only had something/much to do with the Brits for a few hundred years, if that.

Oh, and I bet the cheerleading over sending Ukraine cluster munitions will be met with equal joy that the Russians are returning the favor;



So much for the reinforcements for the 'abandoned city.'

How can anyone expect a proxy war to be prosecuted against Russia when the commander is a bought/paid for Russian crony?

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There can be no ceasefire unless/until Blackrock get's it's trillion dollars.

Forever war, comrades!
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Possibly 1500 casualties in a single Russian strike?
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Compare m and contrast this experience with what you're seeing in Avdeevka, then, draw your own conclusions.
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Another momentous huge enormous war changing win overnight, the Ukrainians took out another precious landing ship so I expect much cheerleading about it today. No casualties/crew was evacuated.

Anyway…







Good long (very) thread;





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"May God protect our Speaker and I promise I'll come back and answer questions later," Biden exclaimed. He then shuffled off and then there's someone there behind the screen panel. Is that one of the guides we heard about in prior reports that help direct him?
He usually says, "May God protect our troops," even as he does all kinds of things that put them more at risk. But what the heck was he saying here? Was this an implied threat to the Speaker after he'd just said Johnson should put the bill on the floor? Or is he just confusing "troops" and "Speaker"? Or did he think Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) was still Speaker? With Biden you can never be sure.
Why is he going to answer questions "later" when this is an event he called for the press?
What a mess.
Weird "history is watching" trifecta of incoherent rankings about Ukraine "aid."
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Just checking in to see if Russia has finally taken that abandoned village after 5 months of trying. A simple yes no will suffice.
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Teslag said:

Just checking in to see if Russia has finally taken that abandoned village after 5 months of trying. A simple yes no will suffice.


How many Ukrainians have died protecting that abandoned village? Russia wins the numbers game.
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Mongolian Christmas said:

Teslag said:

Just checking in to see if Russia has finally taken that abandoned village after 5 months of trying. A simple yes no will suffice.


How many Ukrainians have died protecting that abandoned village? Russia wins the numbers game.


Ah, the old Russia is going to win a meat grinder bit. I love this one. So did the afghanis.
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nortex97 said:



There can be no ceasefire unless/until Blackrock get's it's trillion dollars.

Forever war, comrades!
The Kremlin says there was no ceasefire offer...
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Wait, you're comparing tribal islamic fighters to millennial and gen z Ukrainians that are being force conscripted to die?
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Mongolian Christmas said:

Wait, you're comparing tribal islamic fighters to millennial and gen z Ukrainians that are being force conscripted to die?


Ah yes, the old Ukrainians are only fighting to defend their home because is conscription that I saw on a Russian Twitter bot channel bit.
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Mongolian Christmas said:

Teslag said:

Just checking in to see if Russia has finally taken that abandoned village after 5 months of trying. A simple yes no will suffice.


How many Ukrainians have died protecting that abandoned village? Russia wins the numbers game.


A few hundred, in the 1st strike. When the 2nd set of cluster munitions hit the 1st responders, the number rose to around 1500. And that was just in 1 field west of town.
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Cluster munitions? Isn't that a war crime? Or maybe only when Ukraine uses them.
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Remember this is the same guy that asked why women and children would leave a town and then boast about hitting the same town with cluster munitions.
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GAC06 said:

Cluster munitions? Isn't that a war crime? Or maybe only when Ukraine uses them.


Did I say something to make you think it wasn't?
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War crimes? Elvis has a better chance of showing up in The Hague.
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Anyone see anything about Yemen sinking or badly damaging a US Navy ship?

San Angelo LIVE!
https://sanangelolive.com/
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No, but I don't follow experts like Alex Barnicot.

And the Houthis have been lying constantly about hitting/sinking ships
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Russia should have started active actions in Ukraine earlier, but it tried for a long time to resolve the conflict peacefully and relied on the honesty of its opponents, President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with journalist Pavel Zarubin, the video of which was uploaded to the Kremlin's Telegram channel.

"The only thing we can regret is that we did not start our active actions earlier, believing that we were dealing with decent people," the president said, describing the situation around Ukraine.
Putin went on to say that at the first stage, Russia tried to settle the conflict in Donbas "by peaceful means, namely the Minsk Accords."

"It turned out later that we were being deceived in this regard, because both the former German chancellor and the former president of France admitted straightforwardly in the public that they never planned to fulfill the agreements. Instead, they were buying time to deliver more weapons to the Kiev regime, which is exactly what they did," the Russian leader said.
Sigh…

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The U.S. is setting the stage to accuse Russia of violating the 1967 Outer Space Treaty.

They want the "Russian Space Nuke" claims "declassified" so NATO can publicly use this to justify declaring war on Russia before Ukraine loses entirely.

Claims of Russian space nukes were likely leaked to the press intentionally to initiate steps toward overt war between NATO and Russia.

The United States government leveling this striking accusation against Russia appears to be a psyop.

The allegations against Russia are of a violation of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, with Russia allegedly positioning a nuclear weapon in space or planning to do so…

But beneath the surface of these claims lies a deeper, more strategic play, suggesting a U.S. psychological operation aimed at justifying NATO's military involvement in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

Sources close to the White House revealed a pre-planned classified meeting, initially set to discuss what was termed a "serious national security threat."

National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, adeptly steering clear of direct answers, neither confirmed nor denied the specifics of the alleged space threat in a White House Briefing.

Rep. Mike Turner, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has not only called for declassification but also underscored the urgency of addressing what he describes as a destabilizing foreign military capability.

The claim of a serious national security threat and the call for its immediate declassification are convenient for those eager to escalate a war with Russia.

Is this high-stakes accusation against Russia a carefully orchestrated U.S. psyop?

It seems the answer is, "Yes"

It's a strategic ploy to rally NATO allies and the international community for a more assertive military stance in Ukraine: war with Russia…
Anyway, here is a good piece on the rationale/structure around the Carlson interview;

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What was very interesting was the fact that President Putin spent a considerable share of the interview time explaining the history of the relations between the Russian people living on the territory of today's Russia and the Russian people living on the territory of the so-called "Ukraine." In brief, he said there was no such thing as a "Ukrainian" or "Ukraine." It was artificially created and cultivated by many foreign powers and even by their own leaders, like Lenin or Stalin. Of course, some non-Russians are living in Ukraine today, especially in the West. It is because the West of Ukraine switched "ownership" several times in the past centuries, and settlers from neighboring countries settled in West Ukraine.
This is highly important to understand. I regret that I didn't explain this relationship earlier on BMA.

I will come back to this later.

The biggest question is, what was Putin's goal? He surely didn't give Tucker the interview only to push Tucker's popularity in the USA. Even though this is surely a positive side effect, Putin allowed this interview solely because he knows about Tucker's reach. He did not give this interview to Tucker Carlson the person. He gave the interview to the reach behind Tucker Carlson. He knew exactly about the viral spread of the message that could be generated only through Tucker Carlson.

Now, let's come to the person, Tucker Carlson. I personally assume, without having the possibility to know exactly, that Tucker is an American patriot. Everyone who considers himself an American patriot and loves his country should do everything possible to listen carefully to Russians and to spread their word. To make the truth behind the imperial behavior of the Western oligarchs known to everyone. Only then does America have a chance to survive the economic and social downfall that is about to happen, triggered by the actions in Ukraine. Hence, the Russians needed someone with a reach and a sense of urgency to deliver the message. To let Putin speak and not stop him with silly and insulting phrases as other Western "journalists" would do, to suppress the message.

That is why Putin gave this interview to Tucker Carlson. And judging by the videos of Tucker before and after the interview, I assume that Tucker wanted to help America. Not the oligarch's America. But the America of the people. Remember the Constitution? We the People! Well… besides the millions that he, of course, will now earn with all the clicks he gets and the explosion of his popularity and so on .

But why did he talk so much about the history I explained above (extremely simplified)? The problem is that most Western people would watch this interview. Judging by the numbers, every Western adult has probably watched it already (Just kidding here). The problem is that most Western people, especially Americans, are not always very much interested in history or geography. Talking half an hour about raw (but very important) history caused, from my point of view, a huge share of the overall watchers to simply stop listening. Or, at least, not following the ensuing explanations carefully enough to grasp them.
Note: I don't agree with everything said, but it's interesting.

We are allowed to inch by inch increase Ukrainian military strike capabilities, but for some reason the Russians can't advance with EMP capabilities in space:



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GAC06 said:

No, but I don't follow experts like Alex Barnicot.

And the Houthis have been lying constantly about hitting/sinking ships


You probably just missed it, mistakes happen. Whenever you get a chance: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66970921
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Just checking in to see if the Russians have taken that abandoned village yet after 5 months of trying. They have haven't they?
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It's really very sad what is happening in Andeevka;

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Another huge breakthrough has occurred in Avdeevka that may have put the final nail in the coffin of the bitterly disputed town. Though Avdeevka is smaller than Bakhmut, Mariupol, and many other captured towns, it actuallyin some waysrepresents a crowning offensive achievement of the war because it has been fought for continuouslythe longest, and as a consequence, was the most fortified of any town.

I posted 'Sitrep' maps and updates from literally 2015 before, showing how the same exact areas like Yasinovskaya to the east of 'Tsar's Hunt' was being contested with footage of battles nearly a decade ago. So for Avdeevka to fall now would be a monumental and symbolically watershed moment of this conflict.
The latest news brings us confirmation from both sides that Russian forces have in fact broken through to the 'Industrial Avenue' and beyond, which has entirely severed the city into two parts, cutting the supply route:

Deepstate UA:
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Ukrainian TG channel DeepState reports: "It is worth making decisions that will first of all save the most valuable thing - the lives of soldiers, and not turn Avdiivka into another "fortress" with songs and poems."
After witnessing the nightmare of Bakhmut, they now understand what awaits the soldiers in Avdeevka.

But what's most interesting, is you'll recall that their narrative was previously that Bakhmut was a 'successful operation' because it allegedly grinded down such a disproportionate number of Russian troops, that the city defense served its purpose. But when that truth is put to the test in reality, Ukrainians instead recognize that it's actually them getting ground down amid desperate calls for withdrawal. If Bakhmut was such a 'success', then they would be happy to keep their men in Avdeevka and inflict another such 'success' against Russian attackers.

In fact, the Bakhmut comparisons are making the rounds even on French TV. The report below confirms how Russian forces have fire control of the supply routes, which is generating far more casualties in the past few days than ever before. Soldiers who fought in Bakhmut and other tough battles told the French team that Avdeevka is now worse than them all:


But of course, Kiev has ordered information suppression so as to not discourage the Pom Pom squad in the press/public.







Sigh…
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

GAC06 said:

No, but I don't follow experts like Alex Barnicot.

And the Houthis have been lying constantly about hitting/sinking ships


You probably just missed it, mistakes happen. Whenever you get a chance: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66970921


Speaking of not answering questions:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66913416

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Do you think Russia is justified in their ongoing invasion of Ukraine? If so, why?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

GAC06 said:

No, but I don't follow experts like Alex Barnicot.

And the Houthis have been lying constantly about hitting/sinking ships


You probably just missed it, mistakes happen. Whenever you get a chance: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66970921


Speaking of not answering questions:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3365034/replies/66913416

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Do you think Russia is justified in their ongoing invasion of Ukraine? If so, why?


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Putin discussed Nazi's and propaganda;
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"I don't think the current generation of Germans has to bear the full political responsibility for everything Nazi Germany did," said Putin, calling it "unfair" to label all German people as such.

The far bigger problem, the Russian leader added, was that many countries have adopted the notion of being "chosen" or "exceptional," telling Zarubin that "this is how Nazism began."

"If this is so widespread, we should also think about building anti-fascist and anti-Nazi propaganda at a a global level," Putin said. Such an endeavor would be truly effective only if it comes from society, and not from the state no matter which state, he added.

Speaking with the employees of the weapons-maker Uralvagonzavod in Nizhny Tagil on Thursday, Putin repeated that Russia must maintain zero tolerance for Nazism. He argued that the heirs of those who supported the Nazis during the Second World War are now being backed by the US in their revival of the murderous ideology of Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevich in Ukraine, which has led to the present conflict with Kiev.

He rejected the claims often made by modern Ukrainian nationalists that Bandera, Shukhevich and others weren't actually Nazis because they had been imprisoned by Germany at one point during the war. According to Putin, Hitler's regime punished the Ukrainian collaborators for trying to make a deal with Western Allies once they realized the Third Reich was about to lose, nothing more.

"They had been Nazis all along and they remained Nazis. But their offspring, the neo-Nazis, are absolutely identical to those we fought during the Great Patriotic War," the Russian leader said.


Olga has a good point;

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I'm not a military expert by any means, but as an observer it seems to me that this is about the 5th or the 6th city that Ukraine is losing in exactly the same way - being encircled in a cauldron and mortally endangering soldiers holding the garrison, when they could have safely retreated some [redacted] period ago.

Virtually every time it comes with "the city is strategically unimportant anyway" when they finally lose it. It always comes with "but at what cost to Russians," but never with "but at what cost to Ukrainians."

Even if, hypothetically, Russians were losing more men, which we know they aren't, because of their advantage in air support, artillery, drones, armor and EW, but even if that were true, what's the hope here?

You're fighting a war of attrition while being on life support from the West, you have virtually zero industrial capacity of your own and you have a MUCH smaller reserve of people you can throw against a country with its own MIC, that's outproducing the entire NATO, and has an army and reserve of potential soldiers vastly larger than yours.

Why throw all these lives away to hold these cities, towns and villages? We assume it's always for political reasons, to satisfy Zelensky's urge to please his masters and to be able to ask for more aid. But what if it's just simply the incompetence of military leaders that put these strategies together? I mean, we now know that NATO's plan for last year's counteroffensive was put together in a war game with the assumption that Russians will run away at the sight of Bradleys and Leopards.
LOL.



Collapse and doomsday weapon scare;



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The main misconception around the usage of this potential weapon from armchair 'experts' on social media revolves around a misunderstanding of how satellite warfare works. To sum it up very briefly: everyone knows Russia has anti-satellite missiles that can fly into orbit and shoot down satellites. But in the modern age, this ability has become nearly meaningless and, in some ways, neutralized by the advent of mass saturation of small satellite constellations.

Anti-satellite weapons like Russia's A-235 'Nudol' are some of the most advanced and expensive assets, and are primarily designed to take out the large flagship Electro-Optical style spysats like US's 'Keyhole' systems, which are $4-5 billion dollar a pop and few in number. Yes, it's critically important to have the capability to take out these E/O satellites, which create regular high-res optical imagery of military targets.

However, there are many other types of much smaller and cheaper satellites like ELINT/SIGINT and GPS ones which number in the thousands, and most certainly cannot be taken out by conventional anti-satellite missiles like the Nudol as they are simply too numerous. The latest and biggest intractable problem is of course SpaceX's Starlink, which now numbers nearly ~4,000 total small satellites in orbit at this time. There is simply no way to take them all out via manual targeting of each, one by one.

So: what is the only other option? To blow vast swaths of them out at the same time, either via space Kesslerization, of which I wrote about several times, or via triggering several large nuclear/EMP explosions to wipe out entire constellations in one go, even if it doesn't trigger total breakaway Kesslerization of common orbits.

It's a very complex topic and much of it remains classified, but the basic gist is a sort of satellite that has special 'rods' which can point toward and target other objects like Soviet ICBMs or satellites. At the center of these 'rods' made of special reactive material, is a nuclear bomb. When that bomb is detonated, the 'rods' are heated up and create ultra powerful 'x-ray lasers' which shoot out and can zap objects like ICBMs/satellites from thousands of kilometers away in space, as long as they're within the visual field of view of the Excalibur system. The nuclear explosion is necessary and therefore central to the system.
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Chapline attended a meeting where Sobel'man's work on X-ray lasers was presented. He had learned of the unique underground nuclear tests made on behalf of the Defense Nuclear Agency (DNA), where the burst of X-rays produced by the nuclear reactions were allowed to travel down a long tunnel while the blast itself was cut off by large doors that slammed shut as the explosion approached. These tests were used to investigate the effects of X-rays from exoatmospheric nuclear explosions on reentry vehicles. He realized this was a perfect way to pump an X-ray laser.


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We spoke last time of lines being overrun, with Syrsky having brought in the AFU's most elite units to try to stem the Russian advance. Now it's being reported they're merely acting as cover for the mass retreats:
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Here's one alleged report on that matter:
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The headquarters inside Avdeevka received a directive to withdraw along three "logistics corridors." The key role was played by the commanders of the 3rd "Azov" brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces; after entering, they quickly understood the situation, lost one and a half battalions and decided to leave "due to the lack of positions and logistics routes prepared for defense." (there were also reports on TG channels about Ukrainian soldiers leaving position without permission in the very eastern part of the cauldron - I think what we see now is a sort of narrative damage control - Russian sources also report: We won't let them leave - they can surrender or they will die - there is no escape)



Andrew Roth piece:
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Russian arms production has escalated, exceeding European war strategists' expectations and reshaping the nation's economy.

Moscow increased defense spend to 7.5% of its GDP, reconfiguring supply chains to avoid sanctions.

Factories are continuously producing war materials, with workers operating under severe conditions to fuel the conflict in Ukraine.

President Putin has highlighted the creation of 520,000 jobs within the military sector as evidence of this industrial surge. Workers in this industry are now out-earning many professionals, marking a shift in the country's economic dynamic.

Russia's bolstered defense spend has raised concerns among NATO members about the country's capacity for prolonged warfare.

Russia's defense industry, composed of around 6,000 companies, was considered inefficient before the war but has shown resilience and scalability since.


Anyway, more at the link, as they say.
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ust checking in to see if the Russians have taken that abandoned village yet after 5 months of trying. They have haven't they?
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Have any of the Biden political prisoners in J6 gulags actually died? I know one committed suicide.





He was probably vaccinated.

LOL, war voters just want to say they support Kiev:





Forever war, comrades!
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Russia got bigger again today. Uke tried to stop them and could not.

These are the facts.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Russia got bigger again today. Uke tried to stop them and could not.

These are the facts.



Did you subtract the length of Russias latest lost ship from that total?

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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Russia got bigger again today. Uke tried to stop them and could not.

These are the facts.



Did you subtract the length of Russias latest lost ship from that total?




The Uke's are being "stacked" and you cling to moral victories hundred of miles away. You're an unserious poster.
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How many microns did the Russians gain with this latest "stacking"?

We were assured by Nortex a couple of months ago that Ukraine had "weeks". Well here we are and you can measure Russias gains with your hand.
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Teslag said:

How many microns did the Russians gain with this latest "stacking"?

We were assured by Nortex a couple of months ago that Ukraine had "weeks". Well here we are and you can measure Russias gains with your hand.
Please again do not lie about what I stated. It degrades the discussion.
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Teslag said:

How many microns did the Russians gain with this latest "stacking"?

We were assured by Nortex a couple of months ago that Ukraine had "weeks". Well here we are and you can measure Russias gains with your hand.


"Millimeter" made you look like foolish because the numbers had 6 or 7 0's, so you switched to microns. I accept this concession and appreciate the back pedal.
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