Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Zelensky: paranoid dictator that can sense walls are closing in? Just asking questions.
I still have no idea what's really going on there but obviously both clowns coulda come on camera and clarified if it's a nothing-burger at this point. I do think Zelensky only allows yes-men around him, from what I've read. That's…not a real good thing, especially as his military (and historical/education) background is…limited at best.

Even the most pro-Ukrainian sources and reporters seem to all know the two do not like/trust/respect each other.





Only those who refuse to accept anything but pimp-press coverage straight out of approved Kiev outlets really doubt the veracity of this very real problem at the top of their military-civilian leadership ladder. Meh, it should finally settle itself soon, publicly.

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That tweet is worth its weight in gold- It applies to most of the regulars here.
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Uke seems to be doing it to themselves again. 1st the POW's and now this.
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Apparently, Zelensky's request for approval from the Biden administration to fire Zaluzhny because they are not best buddies any longer was rejected, but now he is working on it anyway?





I guess he's no Abraham Lincoln.

What a clown show. I guess they are working on a spin regarding the 'shift.'



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It's really doubly ironic that the Democrats, and our 'very fine' people at the FBI for instance, have worked for years for Russian oligarchs, including to censor/produce a narrative on their behalf, around Ukraine. Russia, Russia Russia is to a large degree a business partner, and ally of our White House, as is the CCP in matters ranging from he war in Ukraine to energy policy/inflation.

It was HRC who procured the "Steele dossier' of lies about Russian ties to Trump, the FBI who propped it up to create a false impeachment narrative, and "Honest Bob" Mueller's team at DoJ as special counsel who fanned the flames for years about Russia. Vindman ('oh say can you see,' Ukraine) and Ciaramella helped in their own ways of course, separately involving Ukraine/Nuland etc. But all of that required immense propaganda in the American media to convince the, ahem, dim witted among our public as to their veracity/truthfulness. Propaganda? LOL, that's practically all we have:


See, Russians aren't even human!

War is brutal, and Kiev is being struck in their Eastern cities more and more, unfortunately. Some of this is inevitable as the Russians have to convince the Ukrainian people to rise up and force their government to sue for peace, I guess. The Ukrainian 'elite' (oligarchs) are certainly not endearing themselves long term to their allies nearby. Lies about peace discussions/requirements persist.

Interestingly, China and the global south seem to get that it isn't about some barren towns like Bakhmut or the Donbas:

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It also seems to have done a solid job convincing the Global South that the war is about much more than the invasion of Ukraine.
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"The consensus is that this isn't a European war, but has impact on food, energy and economic stability globally and that it will take everyone on board to get to the final outcome of a settlement," said a diplomat from one of the non-Western countries.
Unlike the last conference in Copenhagen, Zelensky faced no pressure to drop his plan; in particular, there was broad consensus that withdrawing Russian forces from Ukraine was necessary. China has expressed a strong interest in continuing the talks.
Meh, I think Newsweek was essentially right in this essay last week: nobody is entitled to their own facts about the war in Ukraine: 12

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Like the war in Iraq, this is war of choice for the United States. No one is attacking a NATO member. As we were once told that Saddam Hussein was busy building an nuclear bomb, we are now warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin plans to invade Poland. Neither claim ever had any basis in reality. Like the war in Afghanistan, this is another "forever war" with taxpayers being asked to spend ever-growing sums for "as long as it takes."

Yet just how long that might be or what we are hoping to achieve is never clearly stated.
Instead, those endorsing this war seem to posses a geopolitical vision that is inconsistent with the facts and does not consider the high costs or grave risks the Western alliance is assuming in return for little or no gain. Moreover, they appear to accept the dubious proposition that American and Ukrainian interests are identical and that the United States should have no say in how a war it has enabled ends.
Meanwhile, Victoria Nuland
I cut out some tweets here for 'readability' but it is remarkable how China Joe's pro-Iran team has brought us to a disastrous brink o war with…China and Iran.



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In 2021, President Joe Biden appointed Malley to the position of special envoy to Iran, but on June 29 of this year, the State Department announced that he would be placed on unpaid leave while his security clearance was under review. On July 10, unconfirmed reports emerged that the FBI had become involved in the investigation. On Aug. 15, Yale's Jackson School of Global Affairs announced Malley as one of eight new senior fellows.

Some American politicians and scholars quickly criticized Yale and Princeton, where Malley also took a position for hiring Malley despite the unclear context around his leave.

"Pitiful. Look who my alma mater just made a prof," Sen. Ted Cruz, a Princeton alum, wrote in a post also on Aug. 15. "Rob Malley was such a pro-Iran radical that he was FIRED from Biden admin & had his security clearance stripped for 'mishandling classified docs' (the details are still hidden)."
But any of us could find a nice opening in around 35 days at an Ivy League school after having an FBI investigation opened into our 'mishandling' of classified documents, right?

These are the types of trusted advisors who have been shaping our foreign policy the past 3 years (and before that, under Obama). Doug Band, Clinton Global Initiative, Epstein, HRC, k-street, it all goes together;



These are compromised, treasonous scoundrels at best. Pedophiles at worst. Russia, China and Iran; the Biden Familia and advisors best friends.

Onward to war with Iran, comrades!
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nortex97 said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Zelensky: paranoid dictator that can sense walls are closing in? Just asking questions.
I still have no idea what's really going on there but obviously both clowns coulda come on camera and clarified if it's a nothing-burger at this point. I do think Zelensky only allows yes-men around him, from what I've read. That's…not a real good thing, especially as his military (and historical/education) background is…limited at best.

Even the most pro-Ukrainian sources and reporters seem to all know the two do not like/trust/respect each other.





Only those who refuse to accept anything but pimp-press coverage straight out of approved Kiev outlets really doubt the veracity of this very real problem at the top of their military-civilian leadership ladder. Meh, it should finally settle itself soon, publicly.


Just to clarify, this guy is not a reporter...
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He's on the war pom pom osint (open source intelligence) channel on twitter, by anyone's definition, Ukraine propaganda HQ.
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The cognitive dissonance of the Ukrainian position is very clear in this post. If the first two statements were true, more aid would not be needed. By asking for more aid, the uke puppet invalidates his first two assertions.
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nortex97 said:

He's on the war pom pom osint (open source intelligence) channel on twitter, by anyone's definition, Ukraine propaganda HQ.
I don't twit at all other than the Xeets that get posted here so I don't know much about him.

I was just pointing that out since he said himself:

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@BedrockSaaS&@MetamorphicMdia/Founder@WarontheRocks/Not a journalist / IG+Threads: ryansontherocks /Opinions mine/ I mute liberally
Just clarifying since you'd mentioned journalists.

It's cool. Not being snarky this time.
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Ag with kids said:

nortex97 said:

He's on the war pom pom osint (open source intelligence) channel on twitter, by anyone's definition, Ukraine propaganda HQ.
I don't twit at all other than the Xeets that get posted here so I don't know much about him.

I was just pointing that out since he said himself:

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@BedrockSaaS&@MetamorphicMdia/Founder@WarontheRocks/Not a journalist / IG+Threads: ryansontherocks /Opinions mine/ I mute liberally
Just clarifying since you'd mentioned journalists.

It's cool. Not being snarky this time.


No one mentioned journalists but you. What exactly do you think you're achieving here?
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We really going too parse journalist and reporter?
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Teslag said:

We really going too parse journalist and reporter?


*sources and reporters

Keep up.
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Teslag said:

We really going too parse journalist and reporter?
Yes..yes, I'm sure he will...
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Ag with kids said:

Teslag said:

We really going too parse journalist and reporter?
Yes..yes, I'm sure he will...


i'll asking again - what do you think you're achieving here?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

Teslag said:

We really going too parse journalist and reporter?
Yes..yes, I'm sure he will...


i'll asking again - what do you think you're achieving here?
I'll answering again...

Nothing.

It was a clarification - as I stated.
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And perhaps a glimmer things in the Middle East will relatedly simmer down instead of explode?



Again, good long thread; just posting one bit:

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EU: "No peace in our time."

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EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell has rejected the notion of peace talks and a ceasefire in Ukraine, instead demanding that the bloc's member states cough up "whatever it takes" for Kiev to defeat Moscow.
In an op-ed for France's L'Obs magazine on Tuesday, Borrell urged EU leaders to reject "the temptations of conciliation"with Russia. "These ideas were wrong in 2022, and they remain wrong today," he wrote, arguing that "we must not let them shape our policy towards Ukraine."

It is unclear which calls for peace Borrell was referring to. In the EU, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has persistently called for a negotiated settlement, arguing that Kiev's forces cannot win a military victory against their Russian opponents, and that the EU's sanctions on Moscow hurt EU economies more than they hurt Russia's.

Borrell, on the other hand, claimed that sanctions have "weakened Russia's war machine," despite admittingin a speech one day earlier that they have largely failed to achieve their goals.

"Instead of seeking compromise, we should remember the lessons we have learned since 2022 and redouble our efforts,"Borrell continued.

"We must shift the paradigm from supporting Ukraine for 'as long as it takes' to committing to doing 'whatever it takes' for Ukraine to win," he declared, calling for Ukraine to be given "long range missiles and other advanced weapons systems,"including more air-defense batteries.

Ukraine's demand for arms and ammunition can only be met if there is "a renaissance of the European defense industry," Borrell wrote.

While Borrell boasted that defense spending across the EU has risen by 40% since 2014, this increase has not been matched by a corresponding increase in arms production. EU member states committed last March to the joint supply of a million artillery shells to Ukraine by March 2024, for example, but only a third of that number has been delivered, and German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius told reporters in November that "the one million target will not be reached."


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This video changed my mind, and I highly recommend you watch it.

What if, instead of invading a high-value target like a densely populated region of NATO, Russia moves into the remote region of one in a way that doesn't threaten the sovereignty of that or any other country but is a clear violation of NATO treaties?

In other words, what if it does something that isn't worth a full-scale war with a nuclear power?
What if Russia invades Laplandthe northernmost region of Finland where very few people live? (My ancestors on my paternal grandfather's side are probably from the Swedish Lap region.) There is almost no economic or strategic necessity to defend the territory, but Finland's sovereignty will have been violated.

Is Lapland worth WWIII? Would a US president or German Chancellor want to risk escalation for territory that only affects a few thousand Sami people indigenous to the region? Few Finns live or visit there, relatively speaking, and the Sami are more Sami than Finnish.

Technically, all NATO countries should come to Finland's defense, but would they? And if not, the unity of NATO is suddenly in doubt.
Makes a lot of sense. Interesting to note Putin built a huge place for himself just of Finland's border.
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The time isn't right, or something.Or maybe our 'leaders' (used loosely) are realizing it isn't our war
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"Always look on the bright side of life."

sung by Victoria Nuland, who is never photographed doing anything but smiling at her great successes.



Well, ok, not ALL the time…



Meanwhile, Ukraine has less than a third the population in its remaining territory today, of military age adults, vs. 2014. Thanks, Victoria.
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Demographics aren't the most important thing, they're the only thing that really matters, it has been said…



Forever war, comrades!
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Looks like Russia got smaller today by about 183 feet, which is the length of a Tarantul class missile ship.
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Teslag said:

Looks like Russia got smaller today by about 183 feet, which is the length of a Tarantul class missile ship.


According to?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

Looks like Russia got smaller today by about 183 feet, which is the length of a Tarantul class missile ship.


According to?

Actual video of the ship being hit and sunk.
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And you know who is confirming.

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So which is it? A ship has sunk or Uke has gained ground?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

So which is it? A ship has sunk or Uke has gained ground?


Apparently it went completely over your head
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Then to the bottom of the ocean
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An important question


Ukraine has no ability to mount an offensive.
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Lol so much for that Russian bit about crawling through the old tunnels to take Adviika

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/30/russian-troops-crawled-through-a-sewer-to-attack-avdiivka-ukrainian-drones-were-waiting-for-them/?sh=37fa80005cca


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When that failed this month, they resumed direct attacks on the eastern city, just northwest of Donetsk. Meanwhile, the Russians have tried infiltrating the city from the south in order to slip paste, and cut off, a key Ukrainian strongpointa Cold War air-defense bunker that the Ukrainians have turned into a veritable fortress.

The infiltration also ended in failure, as a small group of Russian infantry emerged from a sewer, smeared in feces, and promptly got hunted down by Ukrainian drones. The sewer attack, targeting the Tsarska Okhota section of Avdiivka, is the latest debacle in a battle replete with them.


Stale. Mate.
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"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

I guess he's just in the mood to troll today. 1 boat sinks and the ensuing chest pounding is pathetic.
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Biden Ukraine corruption going way back and still relevant today during the proxy war:

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An important question


Ukraine has no ability to mount an offensive.


Is this person asking how destroying enemy assets is beneficial in winning a war?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

I guess he's just in the mood to troll today. 1 boat sinks and the ensuing chest pounding is pathetic.


Does most equal all?
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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

I guess he's just in the mood to troll today. 1 boat sinks and the ensuing chest pounding is pathetic.


Does most equal all?


You tried to pass off a sunken ship as Ukrainian gains on land. We all saw you fall for it, denial just makes you look worse.
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