Big if true!

ZELENSKY HAS ASKED SWITZERLAND TO ORGANISE A HIGH LEVEL PEACE CONFERENCE

It's over

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 15, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Big if true!

ZELENSKY HAS ASKED SWITZERLAND TO ORGANISE A HIGH LEVEL PEACE CONFERENCE

It's over

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 15, 2024

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Wait I thought he was rejecting peace yesterday? Are you saying random twitter poster @JoeyMannarino wasn't being honest about what was happening?

I hope so. Let's change our focus to the western hemisphere now.

I'll wait forever on that happening.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Big if true!

ZELENSKY HAS ASKED SWITZERLAND TO ORGANISE A HIGH LEVEL PEACE CONFERENCE

It's over

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 15, 2024

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Wait I thought he was rejecting peace yesterday? Are you saying random twitter poster @JoeyMannarino wasn't being honest about what was happening?

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So you re just now figuring out the point of this thread? 5500 posts later lmfao

nortex97 said:

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It's mostly just 'what if' stuff the Euro militaries/establishment (as in Germany) are writing up that is then picked up by their own ignoramus press as meaning something it doesn't, imho. Keep in mind the 'establishment' parties in Germany are absolutely desperate vs. the farmers and AfD at this point.

This is misguided nonsense. Russia will "win" the Ukraine war in some fashion. That will unleash an earthquake in European politics, especially in Germany where the 3 coalition parties are polling at a combined 31% and Scholz's approval rating is in the teens. Russia will then… https://t.co/Vb3zd1Vbfe

— David P. Goldman (@davidpgoldman) January 15, 2024

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Reminds me of this photo...

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Big if true!

ZELENSKY HAS ASKED SWITZERLAND TO ORGANISE A HIGH LEVEL PEACE CONFERENCE

It's over

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 15, 2024

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Wait I thought he was rejecting peace yesterday? Are you saying random twitter poster @JoeyMannarino wasn't being honest about what was happening?

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So you re just now figuring out the point of this thread? 5500 posts later lmfao

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Pretty sure everyone knew this was the pro-Russia propaganda thread a long time ago.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Big if true!

ZELENSKY HAS ASKED SWITZERLAND TO ORGANISE A HIGH LEVEL PEACE CONFERENCE

It's over

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 15, 2024

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Wait I thought he was rejecting peace yesterday? Are you saying random twitter poster @JoeyMannarino wasn't being honest about what was happening?

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So you re just now figuring out the point of this thread? 5500 posts later lmfao

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Pretty sure everyone knew this was the pro-Russia propaganda thread a long time ago.

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But, they're TOTALLY not supporting Russia.

Or what if its not a sports league to some people

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Big if true!

ZELENSKY HAS ASKED SWITZERLAND TO ORGANISE A HIGH LEVEL PEACE CONFERENCE

It's over

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 15, 2024

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Wait I thought he was rejecting peace yesterday? Are you saying random twitter poster @JoeyMannarino wasn't being honest about what was happening?

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So you re just now figuring out the point of this thread? 5500 posts later lmfao

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Pretty sure everyone knew this was the pro-Russia propaganda thread a long time ago.

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I'll mark you down for still struggling. Keep us posted.

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Or what if its not a sports league to some people

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At what time did I intimate that it was...

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Or what if its not a sports league to some people

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At what time did I intimate that it was...

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1st, its telling you felt that was directed at you when I didn't reply to you.

2nd, You do it all the time.
"Supporting Russia" "Pulling for Russia"
Its evident by your posts you are taking this conflict personally. The only shame is when this causes you try to stop others from looking at all sides of it.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Or what if its not a sports league to some people

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At what time did I intimate that it was...

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1st, its telling you felt that was directed at you when I didn't reply to you.

2nd, You do it all the time.
"Supporting Russia" "Pulling for Russia"
Its evident by your posts you are taking this conflict personally. The only shame is when this causes you try to stop others from looking at all sides of it.

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Your response didn't really fit any other comments posted.

And, I just get amusement watching y'all lick Putin's boots. Nothing personal, other than the chuckles I get.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Or what if its not a sports league to some people

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At what time did I intimate that it was...

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1st, its telling you felt that was directed at you when I didn't reply to you.

2nd, You do it all the time.
"Supporting Russia" "Pulling for Russia"
Its evident by your posts you are taking this conflict personally. The only shame is when this causes you try to stop others from looking at all sides of it.

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Your response didn't really fit any other comments posted.

And, I just get amusement watching y'all lick Putin's boots. Nothing personal, other than the chuckles I get.

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If that was true you'd have no problem taking another week off from posting here. After all, you wouldn't need to reply to get your jollies off if you're just here to read.but you can't help yourself.

Not sure what is going on or if the A-50, which is relatively low-value was really even lost.

Apparently Zelensky has requested an actual 'peace summit' to include the Russians. I dunno, I'll believe it when I see it (on both counts).

"Most of what comes out of the Ukraine government is propaganda" -Teslag

So there you have it. The plane being shot down is probably fake news, according to one of our most ardent Uke supporters. I'm in the same camp as you on both of those as well.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Or what if its not a sports league to some people

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At what time did I intimate that it was...

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1st, its telling you felt that was directed at you when I didn't reply to you.

2nd, You do it all the time.
"Supporting Russia" "Pulling for Russia"
Its evident by your posts you are taking this conflict personally. The only shame is when this causes you try to stop others from looking at all sides of it.

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Your response didn't really fit any other comments posted.

And, I just get amusement watching y'all lick Putin's boots. Nothing personal, other than the chuckles I get.

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If that was true you'd have no problem taking another week off from posting here. After all, you wouldn't need to reply to get your jollies off if you're just here to read.but you can't help yourself.

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I figured it was you that had contacted staff to get me banned. I suppose that one of the alternate perspectives of this thread is for it to be a safe space?

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Not sure what is going on or if the A-50, which is relatively low-value was really even lost.

Apparently Zelensky has requested an actual 'peace summit' to include the Russians. I dunno, I'll believe it when I see it (on both counts).

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One of the very few AWACS they have in their fleet is "relatively low-value"?

Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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nortex97 said:

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Not sure what is going on or if the A-50, which is relatively low-value was really even lost.

Apparently Zelensky has requested an actual 'peace summit' to include the Russians. I dunno, I'll believe it when I see it (on both counts).

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One of the very few AWACS they have in their fleet is "relatively low-value"?

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Yeah, what do you posit an A-50, not even an A-100 or A-50U actually does? It doesn't track ground targets, or ballistic weapons, or in reality coordinate air defenses beyond perhaps helping to identify when SU-24's are launched. The Russians haven't made more of these precisely because they…don't work real well.

It's a nominally outdated platform, poorly employed, and ill-suited to track the cruise missiles/ballistic weapons (HIMARS) Ukraine has been using to some limited effect, and zero impact on tracking smaller drones and ground forces (such as E-8 Jstars could do) etc.

Well thought out analysis, but have you considered: plane big?

Sarcasm aside, its never good news to lose an aircraft, but I hear your point on where it ranks in importance relative to newer models.

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

FJB
F Russia
F Ukraine

America first. America now!

That is all.

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GAC06 said:

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians successfully defend against?

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GAC06 said:

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians successfully defend against?

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I don't know. But, then if they successfully defended them, would you know?

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians successfully defend against?

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Are you suggesting that Russia could defend against Ukrainian strikes and is choosing not to presumably to preserve their precious few "real" assets?

Or is Russia just doing the best they can and still getting command and control assets splashed?

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nortex97 said:

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians successfully defend against?

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I don't know. But, then if they successfully defended them, would you know?

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And if the planes don't work, why is Russia using them?

"I don't know" wow thats a mask off moment!

So no one can answer what the planes do, but we should believe their word its a big deal? Why? Because it was flying? Its shocking you guys have carried this torch this far when you can't even tell us what the plane was used for.

Maybe "plane big" was unironically accurate.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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"I don't know" wow thats a mask off moment!

So no one can answer what the planes do, but we should believe their word its a big deal? Why? Because it was flying? Its shocking you guys have carried this torch this far when you can't even tell us what the plane was used for.

Maybe "plane big" was unironically accurate.

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians unsuccessfully defend against?

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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"I don't know" wow thats a mask off moment!

So no one can answer what the planes do, but we should believe their word its a big deal? Why? Because it was flying? Its shocking you guys have carried this torch this far when you can't even tell us what the plane was used for.

Maybe "plane big" was unironically accurate.

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Here ya go sweetie

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/12/why-russia-now-has-to-use-its-a-50u-closer-to-the-fight-in-ukraine/

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"I don't know" wow thats a mask off moment!

So no one can answer what the planes do, but we should believe their word its a big deal? Why? Because it was flying? Its shocking you guys have carried this torch this far when you can't even tell us what the plane was used for.

Maybe "plane big" was unironically accurate.

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It is equivalent to losing either an E-3, E-8 or E-7 for us, which is a huge deal as they are airborne Command and Control. In our terms, we would be willing to lose many fighters to ensure their survival in a conflict and they usually have 4-8 fighters protecting them when airborne.

It's probably a bigger deal for the RuAF since they are very centrally controlled compared to western air forces. Russian pilots do not operate autonomously much if at all and the A-50 allows them to operate forward of ground based radar control. Additionally, they have the best radar look angle to see low flying cruise missiles, drones and other weapons.

Now you know.

Thank you. This is much more helpful. Is it correct this was an older model?

I haven't seen any open source reporting that says either way. Even if it as an older model, it is still a significant loss. The newer model (A-50U) is much more advanced than our E-3s (on paper at least), and losing an old-ass
E-3 would be a big loss for us as well.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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"I don't know" wow thats a mask off moment!

So no one can answer what the planes do, but we should believe their word its a big deal? Why? Because it was flying? Its shocking you guys have carried this torch this far when you can't even tell us what the plane was used for.

Maybe "plane big" was unironically accurate.

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It is equivalent to losing either an E-3, E-8 or E-7 for us, which is a huge deal as they are airborne Command and Control. In our terms, we would be willing to lose many fighters to ensure their survival in a conflict and they usually have 4-8 fighters protecting them when airborne.

It's probably a bigger deal for the RuAF since they are very centrally controlled compared to western air forces. Russian pilots do not operate autonomously much if at all and the A-50 allows them to operate forward of ground based radar control. Additionally, they have the best radar look angle to see low flying cruise missiles, drones and other weapons.

Now you know.

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Not a single thing you posted is accurate. It is somewhat similar to early-versions of the E-3, but they only built a handful because they simply don't work well. It has very limited tracking for cruise missiles and there has been no indication it is able to coordinate defensive actions toward them on behalf of tactical aircraft. The Ukrainian Air Force operates very little CAP missions near the front so it is functionally not doing much at all. It has very little capabilities which is why the incoming cruise missiles have only been struck by self-directed SAM units, generally.

It has absolutely nothing akin to E-8 or E-7 capabilities, and is pretty well unprotected by nearby TACAIR assets which is again indicative of its comparatively inferior role/doctrinal employment vs. an E-3 even 20 years ago. Much of our ISR is actually via space and much higher Global Hawk platforms, though E-8 and E-7 provide very good ground surveillance as well. RUAF pilots are almost never directed by A-50 aircraft. LOL.

Never know when a war supporter will shift to jumping over here to proclaim a recent Russian loss of a single aircraft/ship has some huge impact/significance, but it's comical when it happens. Besides, was the A-50 loss even real? 24 hours later and not a single piece of evidence of debris at sea. And there are reports it might have been lost due to friendly fire, again, not a real well used system.

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If these aircraft were lost at all, and beyond the very real possibility that this was a case of friendly fire, which has happened before, Ukraine shooting down aircraft in the western portion of the Sea of Azov would be a major development. It's worth noting that the Sea of Azov sits between Crimea to the west, Russia to the east, and eastern Ukraine to the north. The Kerch Bridge and the entrance into the greater Black Sea are to the south.

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Ukraine has also refurbed and reactivated some S-200 systems. They have the range and the A-50 is the size of target it was designed for.

Could be another option.

— Spectre_9 (@9_spectre) January 15, 2024

Hmmm, I'd think some bodies/wreckage from the Sea of Azov would turn up...

Anyway:

"Russia doesn't care for West's Clown-Show in Davos. Zelensky's Comical Corruption"

Watching this humorous summary of the debacle (Source: https://t.co/0y4911Ygol ) pic.twitter.com/YRVyiundig

— Ivor Cummins (@FatEmperor) January 16, 2024

An American citizen dies in Ukrainian prison from torture and medical neglect for making YouTube videos critical of the US and Zelensky regime.

An American news outlet goes with this headline: pic.twitter.com/iP7Iga6ccv

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) January 16, 2024

Anyway, DailyMail seems to have pivoted overnight too;

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First, on the surface this seems preposterous: weren't these the people just telling us that Russia is weak; that the Russian army has been totally demolished; thatas per Lindsey GrahamRussia is being completely broken by "a tiny investment" of American funds in the hands of the heroic Ukrainian Armed Forces?

Recall the following which spread like wildfire only a couple weeks ago:

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"U.S. intelligence officials estimate that #Russia has essentially lost its entire original invading army originally estimated at around 200,000 along with another 115,000 … So why are so many American politicians buying into #Putin's narrative that Zelensky & his generals cannot decisively win the war?"

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How is it possible an army which was entirely destroyed can reconstitute itself so fast as to engulf all of Europe like a tidal wave? One quickly begins to see how such stereotyped 'legends' about Russia are born, that were so rampant during WWII and beyond.

You will also note that the precise date outlines above are meant specifically to activate the fear-response in readers: it gives the illusion of authority and expert confidence, since all the dates are so accurately indexed, that it must be a scientifically-plotted done deal. A cheap psychological parlor trick.

To get back to the timeline: they elaborate on each development. But the most important thing to keep in mind, is that we know such projections are always the telegraphed intentions of the chief antagonist itself, which is the US/NATO empire. So for every action they list, they are ominously telegraphing precisely what they themselves intend to begin agitating for.

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In July, the first covert, and later increasingly open attack by Russia on the West begins the scenario.

Severity of cyber-attacks and other forms of hybrid warfare, mainly in the Baltic States, leading to new crises. Russia begins with the incitement of ethnic Russian minorities in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

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Just from the above we can see the open schema of the psychological operation. This week alone was rife with Western provocations in the Baltics, who are now openly persecuting ethnic Russians for every possible infraction. The biggest story of the week saw an 82 year old Russian man forcibly deported from Latvia

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How could Russia staff such an invasion, or control it without that precious A-50? But wait, there's more! The big Russian invasion through the Suwalki Gap will happen, right on schedule, amid the November US election. Of course!

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Do you notice how all of these plans just happen to culminate at precisely the time of the 2024 US presidential election? Do you recall how Tucker Carlson declared his firm belief that the big "October Surprise" of 2024 will be war with Russia, and the subsequent cancellation of the election?

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When US senators get together in private, do any of them ever admit that sending half a trillion dollars to Ukrainian oligarchs is a bad idea? As it turns out, no they don’t. JD Vance explains. pic.twitter.com/4GCORwdGVc

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) January 9, 2024

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Poland took to the skies, frightened by Russian planes in the SMO zone

Military planes were scrambled into the skies over Poland due to "Russian aviation activity" in the special operation zone. This was reported by the Polish Operational Command.

" There is increased activity in Russian long-range aviation. The air forces of Poland and its allies have become more active," the statement said. The information was published on the social network X.

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Guys, the A50 was so bad that Russia wasn't even using it! Oh, wait, they were? Must have been useful in some way then...

One thing I'm sure of: we are pretty far from "Russia has no ability to mount an offensive"