Ukraine is done. The world is now focused on a shiny new object. I'm sure we all have updated our Facebook profiles.

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By who and with what?

At this point it looks like unless something changes Russia will keep the eastern area and Crimea. Ukraine is getting a ton of weapons and hasn't been able to retake a large part of those areas. If the West is pulling back support and they are on their own I don't see them having the ability to pull off any major offensives.

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At this point it looks like unless something changes Russia will keep the eastern area and Crimea. Ukraine is getting a ton of weapons and hasn't been able to retake a large part of those areas. If the West is pulling back support and they are on their own I don't see them having the ability to pull off any major offensives.

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That will be sold by the corrupt Ukes in charge to be utilized in conflicts against the West, same story as Afghanistan both recently and from 40 years ago.

Getting involved in supporting Ukraine was a waste of time, attention, resources (both money and weaponry).

All for nothing. Russia will use the vacuum of support removed and shifted to Israel to get back to propping up a pro-Russian gubmit in Kiev.

Those in DC have spent all their anti-Russian political capital and the American people are ready to move on. Blue / Yellow flags and I stand with Ukraine shirts will be waving over huts in Africa and be adorned by poor Ethiopian children by end of year.

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At this point it looks like unless something changes Russia will keep the eastern area and Crimea. Ukraine is getting a ton of weapons and hasn't been able to retake a large part of those areas. If the West is pulling back support and they are on their own I don't see them having the ability to pull off any major offensives.

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That will be sold by the corrupt Ukes in charge to be utilized in conflicts against the West, same story as Afghanistan both recently and from 40 years ago.

Getting involved in supporting Ukraine was a waste of time, attention, resources (both money and weaponry).

All for nothing. Russia will use the vacuum of support removed and shifted to Israel to get back to propping up a pro-Russian gubmit in Kiev.

Those in DC have spent all their anti-Russian political capital and the American people are ready to move on. Blue / Yellow flags and I stand with Ukraine shirts will be waving over huts in Africa and be adorned by poor Ethiopian children by end of year.

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Yes. The doubly ironic/maddening feature at this particular juncture in time is that I bet we wind up paying a small fortune to ship materiel/ordinance from Ukraine to Israel, though I doubt this is reported for a long time.

Treason has consequences.

I actually think most of the folks in our state department involved in the Ukraine fiasco had good intentions, they are just mind numbingly incompetent, akin to Chris Stephens.

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All for nothing. Russia will use the vacuum of support removed and shifted to Israel to get back to propping up a pro-Russian gubmit in Kiev.

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By who and with what? We've been hearing about how Russia is going to roll for 18 months now and they still can't do anything. At all, and are back to conscripting prisoners. And now with now air support.

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All for nothing. Russia will use the vacuum of support removed and shifted to Israel to get back to propping up a pro-Russian gubmit in Kiev.

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By who and with what? We've been hearing about how Russia is going to roll for 18 months now and they still can't do anything. At all, and are back to conscripting prisoners. And now with now air support.

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I absolute do NOT think Russia is "going to roll" nor do I think their military improvements are intended for Ukraine.

So you keep clamoring for evidence that Russia is advancing in Ukraine and I simply believe they are quite content at the moment.

In the interim, Iran is looking to spend money with the Russians as are the Chinese, India, Central Asia and much of Europe.

You can believe Russia is a triple amputee and the last leg is rotting with gangrene, but that simply is not the case.

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You can believe Russia is a triple amputee and the last leg is rotting with gangrene, but that simply is not the case.

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Their complete futility on the battlefield says otherwise. This is no longer 1943 and Russia simply can't throw bodies at the problem. They need real equipment, manned by real NCO"s and officers, and real CAS to take Ukraine. They simply don't have it, won't have it, and would be outclassed by whatever scrap NATO keeps tossing Ukraine's way for a pittance.

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You can believe Russia is a triple amputee and the last leg is rotting with gangrene, but that simply is not the case.

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Their complete futility on the battlefield says otherwise. This is no longer 1943 and Russia simply can't throw bodies at the problem. They need real equipment, manned by real NCO"s and officers, and real CAS to take Ukraine. They simply don't have it, won't have it, and would be outclassed by whatever scrap NATO keeps tossing Ukraine's way for a pittance.

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Seems to me that the Russians have become content to keep what they have. Obvious that is a failure by Russia and Putin to achieve the original objectives, but its also not as though Ukraine drove Russia all the way back to Moscow. Hence the growing clamoring that this thing has reached a stalemate, with Putin using Lukashenko to make such a claim the other day.

But bag in the motherland, Russia will be stronger through this with both lessons learned, advancement in training, personnel, and equipment and the turmoil it caused ultimately serves to fill their coffers.

Add in a substantial depopulation of Ukraine and I would give a slight edge to Russia in the overall results.

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Don't confuse complete ineptitude with being content.

Agreed. You really should try not to but alas here we are, day after day.

Sorry the stacking of Orcs has slowed for you. Must be depressing.

The propaganda machine of the US media/Ukraine was really responsible for many of the lies people fell for;

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Ukrainian Nazi, war criminal and Azov commander Dmitro Kukharchuk talks on TV about how Ukraine is losing the war. At the same time, he notes that Ukrainian propaganda is to blame for everything:

Today I am sincerely sure that strategically we will lose the war... I notice the narrative in the Ukrainian media, that we are fighting with the bums, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that the victory will be in a week, in two, well, maybe at most in a month. That in the beginning of spring, then in the summer, then in the fall, then in the winter...

Dmitro Kukharchuk is a favorite of US officials, having previously paraded around Ukraine with US Congresswoman Victoria Spartz.

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There's no real point in being angry/bitter toward those who fell for/still want to believe in it. As we saw with covid it is a tough thing to see through when fully mobilized in the media/internet age we live in for many. Ukraine has been about grift/lies the entirety of the conflict.

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I've been quite pleased with the Russian losses in their latest "offensive". Just an all around disaster for the Russians.

Nearly 60% of Americans oppose additional aid to Ukraine, whose case to the U.S. has been plagued by allegations of widespread corruption.

It’s possible public opinion began to turn when Zelensky sat for that Vogue photo shoot.https://t.co/7JuUsDrMLY

— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) October 31, 2023

Good to see Senator Lee's consistency/support in the legislature growing to stop this waste.

LMAO - It's all about their money laundering scheme in Ukraine. https://t.co/PYfnwggaXp

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) November 1, 2023

Russia as a whole will not be stronger through this, they have lost a ton of working age males when they were already facing a labor shortage. Combine that with deaths from addiction (which will only go up) and Russia is facing a labor gap. This is the reason they are taking citizens from other countries like Ukraine, to keep their labor force level.

Through dividends Russia made an insane amount of money at the beginning of the war with oil futures. Not sure how they can make up for all of the money they have invested in military spending since then without a black swan event

One of their own top guys, a reserve officer in the AFU, admitted that most of the vehicles are old and likely Ukrainian to begin with 😂 pic.twitter.com/aH4AEtAeZ3

— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) November 3, 2023

Ukraine/Kiev regime won't even support the US in this vote;

Breaking: The United Nations just voted 187-2 for a resolution demanding the end to "the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba 🇨🇺".

Voting against:

🇺🇸USA
🇮🇱Israel

Abstaining:

🇺🇦 Ukraine pic.twitter.com/IVYp3Bg3gk

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) November 2, 2023

Sigh…

"The U.S. is producing so-called FrankenSAM systems that marry advanced Western weaponry with Soviet-era items still in Ukrainian stockpiles."

'Desperate for Air Defense, Ukraine Pushes U.S. for Franken Weapons' https://t.co/JuvCWTpmqO

— Franz-Stefan Gady (@HoansSolo) November 3, 2023

Investigative Stories from Ukraine: Russia ramps up military production, prepares for long war

Read here: https://t.co/MWkAwAAMKz pic.twitter.com/zYAlaRJTeT

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) November 3, 2023

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Russia as a whole will not be stronger through this, they have lost a ton of working age males when they were already facing a labor shortage. Combine that with deaths from addiction (which will only go up) and Russia is facing a labor gap. This is the reason they are taking citizens from other countries like Ukraine, to keep their labor force level.

Through dividends Russia made an insane amount of money at the beginning of the war with oil futures. Not sure how they can make up for all of the money they have invested in military spending since then without a black swan event

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Lots of wishful thinking and hoping something is true that is not.

Russia is extending ties with both our allies and enemies in that region. China, India, Iran, Vietnam, etc.

N Korea is in even more of an economic crunch and happens to have people and weaponry to address the Russian issues you are hoping exist, though their is scant evidence to support that Russia is teetering.

The most unfortunate thing is none of this had to happen. And you can stomp feet and blame Putin, but the blame for the tipping over into WWIII is blamed on Biden "voters", election fraud deniers, and all the others who lapped up the anti-Trump rhetoric and made this world a less safe place in an effort for decorum and nice tweets.

Yep.

As I have said many times before, the US generally pursues negotiations when it's staring military defeat in the face, and has a long history of going into talks with adversaries from a position of great weakness and seeing those "settlements" collapse.

This is no different. https://t.co/9jSZTtJOKc pic.twitter.com/Zqq4bcwnHm

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) November 4, 2023

You heard those recent rumors about Russian forces "digging tunnels" under enemy fortifications in Avdeevka?
For the first time WarGonzo investigates it and Pyatnashka Brigade commander Akhra Avidzba explains how they dug tunnels under enemy positions, then blew them up, sending… pic.twitter.com/ly5hhW2AKF

— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) November 3, 2023

My thread from July 12th, for your viewing pleasure:https://t.co/CFBU8MCbLs

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) November 4, 2023

As 'we' have known for a long time.

But it was promised that for 4 easy payments of $49.99 (billion) plus S&H the rooskies and their nefarious leader Putin could be wiped from Earth. Just stackin Orcs.

Reality is a tough thing for some evidently.

Today's sitrep: Ukraine pushed to negotiate, as per NBC sources Kiev regime 'only has a few months before more urgent peace negotiations…", fires off weapons at unsustainable rate that get shot down 95% of the time, Russian forces continue to build strength/conquer territory.

“Could we have been wrong this whole time about relative force generation and casualties? Nah, the Russians must just have unlimited troops or something.”

— Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺 (@witte_sergei) November 4, 2023

Temporary "knock-outs" from reparable battle damage with no crew casualties will be considerably higher, but these vehicles will of course be quickly repaired and returned to service. The same US Army survey suggested 90% of mine-damaged tanks were reparable, for example. pic.twitter.com/R6yu54CPlq

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) November 5, 2023

"Finita la commedia" pic.twitter.com/Unt3ZPsDGL

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) November 5, 2023

The most messed up thing about the “counteroffensive”, is that the US, NATO, Zelensky, all of them knew the entire time that hundreds of thousand of Ukrainians would be slaughtered, and they sacrificed them anyway, for political and monetary gain.

Evil is an understatement.

— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) November 4, 2023

The West are abandoning Zelensky.

If Zelensky were wise, he would try to make a deal with Putin, in exchange for his cooperation to take out the head of the snake, i.e. the “ruling elites in the US”.

Putin has made it very clear he wants the Deep State actors behind all this. pic.twitter.com/pSL0YoEMAs

— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) November 5, 2023

Of the €733bn in state support that Europe approved between March 2022 and August this year, Germany accounted for almost half.
Europe has also spent another €700bn between 2021-22 to mitigate the effects from the energy crisis.#Velsig #geoeconomics https://t.co/saAAxvx0DN

— Velina Tchakarova (@vtchakarova) November 5, 2023

So sad. Rip Heroes💙💛 pic.twitter.com/aX9q91WtCq

— neXus (@neXus_mastiff) November 5, 2023

But don't take my word for it, take the Ukrainian commander Zaluzhny:

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Thus, the point is Ukraine is able to manage the "perception" of having some outsize effects on select categories of engagement, but it's an illusory one only because Russia has chosen to fight a gentleman's war. And even then, as I said, Russia has inflicted disproportionate losses while fighting outnumbered for a majority of the time.

That may be a bit discursive, but it was important to establish a base grounding in whysome of Zaluzhny's propositions are rooted in fantastical delusion.
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So he wants drones that shoot nets to stop Russian drones. Then he asks for signal-emitting decoys to "attract Russian glide bombs." That doesn't even make sense. Russian glide bombs are GPS/Glonass poweredthere's no "decoy" that can "attract" them. I can only assume he's not referring to the famous Fab-500M62 UMPK but rather the KAB style bombs which are laser guided, and some sort of laser emitter can theoretically throw them offbut they're not really glide bombs.

Next he asks for more EW systems while admitting Russia has the EW edge in the war. That's all fairly straightforward so we'll move on to the next request:

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The third task is counter-battery fire: defeating enemy artillery. In this war, as in most past wars, artillery, rocket and missile fire make up 60-80% of all the military tasks. When we first received Western guns last year, we were quite successful at locating and striking Russian artillery.

But the effectiveness of weapons such as Excalibur, a gps-guided American shell, has declined dramatically owing to improved Russian electronic warfare.

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Now that's a major admission. Straight from the horse's mouth itself we see that even Excalibur shells are being jammed out. Recall all those Dr. Philip Karber West Point talks stating specifically this, which some scoffed at.
And it's true, I don't see many Excalibur hits anymore from released AFU videos. I had chalked it up to just low supply of the expensive shell, but apparently they've been made near useless by Russian jammingas has the JDAM.

That's why I've said in the past Russia's Krasnopol shell is superior: it has both GPS/Glonass and laser-guided modes, though its range does leave much to be desired compared to Excalibur, but it makes up for it with versatility.

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Meanwhile, Russia's own counter-battery fire has improved. This is largely thanks to its use of Lancet loitering munitions, which work alongside reconnaissance drones, and its increasing production of precision-guided shells that can be aimed by ground spotters. Despite the dismissive view of some military analysts, we cannot belittle the effectiveness of Russian weapons and intelligence in this regard.

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Well, well, well. Not only does he appear to reference the very Krasnopol here, but even gives some deserved dues.

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All that crap about T-55s, T-62s, etc., and I don't think there's still a single video of those tanks in action anywhere lol. Everything I see is still T-72, T-80, T-90M.
Has anyone seen the mythical T-55 in action?

— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) November 6, 2023

Correct:

I also pointed out that Biden always seems to want a showdown, even when it’s obvious he’s got the losing hand. Almost two years later, with Ukraine in ruins and the war effort in a tailspin, was that not an accurate assessment? pic.twitter.com/HASRVTeAD6

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) November 6, 2023

This is happening in real time.

NYT: “Zelensky Rebuke of Top General Signals Rift in Ukrainian Leadership”

“The presidential office said Gen. Valery Zaluzhny’s declaration that the war is at a stalemate was helpful to the Russians.”https://t.co/oC9hiCIvvM

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) November 4, 2023

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine on November 3-5

▪️Strikes on Ukraine continue every day: targets are being hit both in the near rear and in remote areas.

In Odesa region, an ammunition depot near Bilen'ke was hit. In Kirovohrad region, the strikes… pic.twitter.com/mfWmeBWKBW

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) November 6, 2023

Russian talks of 'rational actors' in Ukraine waiting in the wings but being suppressed by the Kiev regime:

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Not all Ukrainian elites and politicians agree with Kiev's current belligerent stance against Moscow, Nikolay Patrushev, the secretary of Russia's Security Council, said on Sunday while speaking at the 'Russia' exhibition in Moscow. "Rational actors" do exist in Ukraine but are currently "suppressed"by the Kiev government, he added.

These forces are already "standing in the wings" and are ready to take power when the time is right, the former Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) chief said, without elaborating who exactly he may be referring to.

Patrushev also said that the Ukrainian governments after the Maidan coup, including the current one led by President Vladimir Zelensky, are "bound to answer" for all the atrocities committed in Ukraine since 2014, including the years-long persecution of the Russian-speaking minority and the people of Donbass, as well as the attacks on Russian civilians, public figures, journalists, and infrastructure.

"They will not be able to hide from a just people's court like the former SS member Yaroslav Hunka,"Patrushev said, referring to a Ukrainian SS veteran hailed by Canada's parliament during a visit by Zelensky in September. The incident sparked an angry reaction from Poland, Russia, and several Jewish organizations, and led to the resignation of Canadian House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota, who claimed that he was unaware of Hunka's past.

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Big shocker;

Cancelling elections, blowing up critics… how is Zelensky different from Putin again?

— Chase Geiser (@realchasegeiser) November 7, 2023

So Valery Zaluzhny's aide died today in a tragic birthday hand grenade accident.

I did not think I would ever be writing that sentence but it is 2023 and I'm going with it.

Dead serious headline. He criticized Zelensky in the media last week, btw, draw your own conclusions.

— Armchair Warlord (@ArmchairW) November 7, 2023

Zelensky's new tactic to ask for money. Try not to laugh 🤣 pic.twitter.com/fcS32DOSds

— Aussie Cossack (@aussiecossack) November 6, 2023

RU is consolidating their positions on the railway ridge and the quarry near Optyne. Then the lunge towards Stepove and Sjeverne puts Avdiivka in deep, deep trouble.

There's a reason the AFU scrambled premier assets the 47th here and started throwing Bradleys and Leopards in. https://t.co/dRhxfzkrL9

— Big Serge ☦️🇺🇸🇷🇺 (@witte_sergei) November 6, 2023

Ep. 37 The two defining tragedies of our time — the war in Ukraine and the presidency of Joe Biden — are both finally coming to an end.

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:17) Glenn Greenwald joins
(05:41) Will the Ukraine War Hawks ever apologize?
(07:25) Using foreign wars to punish Americans… pic.twitter.com/vTVXqNNPhT

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) November 7, 2023

Ending all of this would be great, if it happens.

IAEA tries to assert authority over nuke plant captured and controlled by Russia.

Why?

Because 'the IAEA has doubts that the personnel recruited by the Russians have licences to work at the nuclear power plant.'

I don't want to upset anyone from the Ukraine tactical cheer thread but this is actually good news.

Ukraine has taken back more than half of its territory seized by Russia’s forces since February 2022. In this tough and dynamic battle, Ukraine’s soldiers are fighting bravely every single day, and they continue to inspire the world with their bravery and courage. We will… pic.twitter.com/ELeU4EbVfK

— U.S. Mission to NATO (@USNATO) November 20, 2023

Hotair: West is quietly winding down support for Ukraine.

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Western military equipment is more technologically advanced than Russian, but that has turned out to be a double-edged sword. It is also more expensive and much more time-consuming to replace. While the West has not yet reached the bottom of the barrel, we can see the bottom from here. As the Israel-Hamas war has shown, there aren't enough reserves to leave us in a comfortable position.

And it's not like we can just ramp up production because, well, technologically-rich weapons aren't just stamped out as they were in the mid-20th century. It takes time and money.

NATO and its leaders are smoothing the path for a graceful drawdown of their support for Ukraine, both because it has never been as strategically important as presented, and because putting a lot more effort into pushing Russia back is a fool's errand. Not to mention the fact that Ukraine, which has always been corrupt, is becoming less democratic as always happens during wartime. The optics of supporting a regime that won't be holding elections during the conflicta regime promoted as a democracyseems a bit off-message.

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This has been a long time coming, but it is nice to see it ever more widely recognized.

Friedman's update from GPF this morning was titled "Remember Ukraine". Below is the summary conclusion.

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And though I don't have any personal knowledge of the matter, I assume Kyiv will try to negotiate an end to the conflict. I suspect this would not be a problem for many Ukrainians. The end of the war would have to give Russia some increased buffer zone without bringing it too close to the NATO countries on the border with Ukraine. Ukraine will not win, nor will Russia. Clearly there are talks underway at some level between Russia and the United States. Whether my solution has merit is dubious. That we are near the end of the war (expressed in months) is not. Perhaps the world's relative indifference to Ukraine and Russia will send a signal to both.

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With how quick the world was ready to move on to a more traditional Muslim Jihadists v Jews conflict, it is clear that no one really cared about "most sovereign Ukraine" and "stacking Russian corpses" was nothing more than... as you mentioned, hot air.

Very believable. Thx.

~100,000 people killed and ~$100 billion spent, just to ask for a deal that we likely could have made at the start…

They must be “Pro-Putin”.

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) November 21, 2023

A lot of Putin puppets nowadays.

There's zero chance a deal could have been made at the start. Putin thought all of Ukraine was his for the taking. And there's no deal he will accept as long as he foolishly believes that.

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There's zero chance a deal could have been made at the start. Putin thought all of Ukraine was his for the taking. And there's no deal he will accept as long as he foolishly believes that.

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Agree. Putin's rhetoric and actions at the start (trying to take Kiev) were way different.

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There's zero chance a deal could have been made at the start. Putin thought all of Ukraine was his for the taking. And there's no deal he will accept as long as he foolishly believes that.

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Agree. Putin's rhetoric and actions at the start (trying to take Kiev) were way different.

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No we had plenty of credible reports that wasn't true including from European leaders but I was also lectured about how Ukraine would just be forcing Russia out of crimea in their spring offensive and should refuse to negotiate over one inch of land and anyone who d disagreed was a Putin puppet believing Russian disinformation.

I guess comrades Mika and Joe just switched teams.

Did Putin want all of Ukraine in February of 2022? Did he think he would get it? Yes or no. There's no need to go on some ramble or post a thousand links.

Tell us what you believe.

I don't believe Putin thought the Ukraine was his for the taking. So no I don't believe the intent was for all of Ukraine.

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Did Putin want all of Ukraine in February of 2022? Did he think he would get it? Yes or no. There's no need to go on some ramble or post a thousand links.

Tell us what you believe.

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Last time I met with Putin he told me his primary objective was to send a clear message that further NATO encroachment towards Moscow would not be tolerated.

That's probably about the best sourced information you are going to get regarding what Putin was thining in February 2022.

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Did Putin want all of Ukraine in February of 2022? Did he think he would get it? Yes or no. There's no need to go on some ramble or post a thousand links.

Tell us what you believe.

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Last time I met with Putin he told me his primary objective was to send a clear message that further NATO encroachment towards Moscow would not be tolerated.

That's probably about the best sourced information you are going to get regarding what Putin was thining in February 2022.

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I'll bet you even think you met with Putin...