New school opening in Mariupol pic.twitter.com/uKIWuXvmnN

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) October 5, 2023

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New school opening in Mariupol pic.twitter.com/uKIWuXvmnN

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) October 5, 2023

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Congrats to them for rebuilding the schools that they destroyed during their unprovoked invasion, I guess.

https://t4pua.org/en/1207

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in 2021 there were 63 schools in the city, said Mariupol city council's education department. T4P's database contains 52 recorded incidents involving the destruction of school buildings.

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At least the Russians don't have a satanic pedophile "artist" in charge of their schools.

‼️ Little girl in Gorlovka says she’s not afraid of the Ukrainian shelling!

-> Strong girls! Sad that they have to endure that …

Gorlovka is a frontal city since 2014. pic.twitter.com/iUqXDBCG4c

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) October 4, 2023

This war is for the children, I am waiting to be told.

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At least the Russians don't have a satanic pedophile "artist" in charge of their schools.

‼️ Little girl in Gorlovka says she’s not afraid of the Ukrainian shelling!

-> Strong girls! Sad that they have to endure that …

Gorlovka is a frontal city since 2014. pic.twitter.com/iUqXDBCG4c

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) October 4, 2023

This war is for the children, I am waiting to be told.

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And that person would still be doing whatever weird **** she was doing before had Russia not invaded for no reason. As usual, all roads lead back to this being Putin's fault.

Just like with COVID, Dems ride a crisis for as long as they can use it to grift power and money from the tax payers then toss it out with last weeks garbage the second the polls start to turn against them

Then the gas lighting will start and we'll start hearing about how Democrats NEVER supported war in Ukraine and it was actually Republicans sending billions of your tax dollars there

Bingo. Just as they are now lamenting that "Trump spent too much money," or anything else he did that was right, like the border wall.

It's all entirely predictable, that as with the surrender of Bagram before giving Kabul to the Taliban during fighting season (that was the one thing Biden couldn't stop in a year in office), this will ultimately be blamed on whoever the new speaker of the house is for not being fast enough with the next 20 billion+ dollar package to Ukraine. I just hope they decide to pin some of the disgusting corruption/graft 'to be discovered' as well on the likes of Mittens and Miss Lindsey too.

Another substack writer with a different perspective on events: Ukraine, a Trillion dollar goldmine of death.

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…So, if the war related "assistance" stops today, they would have gotten about $400.00 billion for the war and the EU accession. They'd get hundreds of billions more for the war, but let us freeze those numbers for now, for easier calculation.

And than, there's more. There's always more.

Ukraine could be a "beacon about the power of capitalism", says Larry Fink, CEO of BlackRock, and "after the Russian military's invasion of Ukraine commenced in early 2022, the World Bank predicted it could take at least $411 billion to rebuild Ukraine and its economy after the war." We're getting very close to a trillion dollars in a process that American political analyst and anti-war activist Bill Dores called a triple-plundering of Americans.

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"First we have our taxes - funds that should be spent on human needs - spent on weapons. Then there is the inflation caused by printing money for the Pentagon. And then there is the price of food, energy and everything else pushed still higher by the shortages caused by war and sanctions."

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Per capita, in this crude but illustrative estimate, Ukraine is set to be getting 917.75% more money than the people in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, West Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, and the United Kingdom put together, after it has gobbled up around $200 billion of our money while we have no clue where one single penny ended up being abused.

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Insanity.

Vladimir Putin has stated globalists including Klaus Schwab and his close advisors are “LEGITIMATE MILITARY TARGETS” because they have been actively attempting to seize power illegally via a globalist coup d’etat…🔥🔥 pic.twitter.com/EC22E1guAR

— Pelham (@Resist_05) October 6, 2023

In this case I think he's right and I hope the KGB guys do their thing.

Wild to see left-wing college kids demanding more war pic.twitter.com/l9xgsIN5rM

— Joel Berry (@JoelWBerry) October 5, 2023

Democrat Rep. Marcy Kaptur has been one of the loudest voices pushing for more of your tax dollars to go to Ukraine.

But she's also a Senior Advisor to the U.S.-Ukraine Business Council, a lobbying group representing hundreds of defense companies like Boeing and Raytheon in… pic.twitter.com/pMkgKuDNtx

— Natalie Winters (@nataliegwinters) October 5, 2023

pic.twitter.com/W6ysa4g39Q

— Sal the Agorist (@SallyMayweather) October 5, 2023

Absolute truth:

#Brussels is creating an Orwellian world in front of our eyes. They buy and supply weapons through the #EuropeanPeaceFacility . They want to control the media through the #MediaFreedomAct . We didn’t fight the communists to end up in 1984!

— Orbán Viktor (@PM_ViktorOrban) October 5, 2023

Gaetz' stunt is probably going to wind up making this possible in a month. This is the money needed to ensure the 2024 election goes as the CCP favors. $100 billion? Sure, why not, it's working so well to create stability and peace in the world.

🇺🇸🇺🇦BREAKING: US President Joe Biden intends to request from Congress the largest package of military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine, which should be enough until the beginning of 2025.

As the British newspaper The Telegraph reports, citing sources, its size could reach $100… pic.twitter.com/FmaMp4bH47

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) October 7, 2023

Sounds like Ukes have been selling their weapons to terrorists for extra gravy, and now that they are about to get caught it is being labeled "Russian disinformation." Kinda like how Hunter's laptop was, until it wasn't. I suspect the yokels will gobble this up, too.

The Defense Intelligence of Ukraine informs that Russia has already handed over to Hamas terrorists trophy weapons seized during military operations in Ukraine and manufactured in the USA and EU countries. The next step is supposed to be fake accusations of the Ukrainian military… pic.twitter.com/APqpCuCuzl

— Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) October 9, 2023

Full disclosure!!

This is not PRO or ANTI anything…

Just an observation

If true THIS👇🏻is good reporting and I hope all civilians are rescued!!

BUT…

Am I the only one who finds it odd that 🇺🇦 has been going for, what, 18 months and NOT ONE war correspondent on the… pic.twitter.com/uEjWQl5OI8

— SaltyGoat (@SaltyGoat17) October 9, 2023

Ukraine bans live streaming of the war/most war correspondents are kept in one hotel in Kiev. Israel is comparatively a pretty open democracy.

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Full disclosure!!

This is not PRO or ANTI anything…

Just an observation

If true THIS👇🏻is good reporting and I hope all civilians are rescued!!

BUT…

Am I the only one who finds it odd that 🇺🇦 has been going for, what, 18 months and NOT ONE war correspondent on the… pic.twitter.com/uEjWQl5OI8

— SaltyGoat (@SaltyGoat17) October 9, 2023

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Benjamin Hall would like to say hello and ask for his body parts and friends back.

Read his book around his experience in the very first days in Ukraine.

Infrastructure in Ukraine particularly in the early days inhibited any live streaming from the field.

https://instagr.am/p/Cx0IHH0LYm6

Thoughts on this observation that the US taxpayers are funding both sides of this war?

Seems relevant in light of the news about the $6 billion to Iran and untold billions to Palestine and Israel at the same time.

What was the most recent conflict that the US taxpayer wasn't financing both sides of?

That's what happens when your chief executive and the party which has had primary legislative control have no strict moral compass and no moral imperative to consistently support those entities on the international stage who are beneficial to American interests and align with or are striving to align with our values. This is what three terms of the Obama administration gets you.

If you're going to involve yourself then you need to be principled and consistent. Otherwise you need to keep you snoot out of things and bolster yourself internally. We've done neither. In fact we've done the opposite.

We're also funding both sides quite directly, in the Israel vs. Iran Biden proxy war. Oh by the way, that war also will financially benefit both Russia and Obama/Biden/Jarrett's buddies in Tehran quite nicely. Defense stocks here are doing great too, strangely.

Forever war, comrades!

I know Ukraine is yesterday's news, but in case anyone cares, the American transvestite who threatened to murder American journalists has been reinstated as the Ukrainian military spokesman. NATO has since praised "her."pic.twitter.com/sKbu7oc4co

— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) October 11, 2023

LOL, oh "Sarah…"

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I know Ukraine is yesterday's news, but in case anyone cares, the American transvestite who threatened to murder American journalists has been reinstated as the Ukrainian military spokesman. NATO has since praised "her."pic.twitter.com/sKbu7oc4co

— Michael Knowles (@michaeljknowles) October 11, 2023

LOL, oh "Sarah…"

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Wonder if Z let's "her" borrow from his fake breast, wig and dress collection...?

Now that Israel is the hot button topic, the bloviating about stacking Orcs and "pushing back Russia everyday" is drying up on all social media, including TexAgs.

These lemmings on Twitter and other places will never admit or even realize how wrong they were about the feasibility of Uke success yet still find themselves in a voting booth.

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Now that Israel is the hot button topic, the bloviating about stacking Orcs and "pushing back Russia everyday" is drying up on all social media, including TexAgs.

These lemmings on Twitter and other places will never admit or even realize how wrong they were about the feasibility of Uke success yet still find themselves in a voting booth.

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I'm sure your support for Russia in the conflict will not wain, so they got that going for them...

And yet there is a constant between the two. It's pretty clear that Russia is all in on violent destabilization of multiple regions as a means for facilitating increased influence and control.

It's evident at this point that the Hamas visits to the Kremlin haven't been for mere social niceties. They're in bed with these baby beheading *******s… and have given their blessing knowing full well their intentions and the disgusting lengths to which they'll go.

Senior Hamas Official Ali Baraka: We Have Been Secretly Planning the Invasion for Two Years; Russia Sympathizes with Us, Benefits from U.S. Embroilment in This War; Any Swap Deal Should Include Hamas Prisoners in Europe and the U.S. #Hamas #Russia #Israel_under_attack pic.twitter.com/JNGQotkKg5

— MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) October 11, 2023

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And yet there is a constant between the two. It's pretty clear that Russia is all in on violent destabilization of multiple regions as a means for facilitating increased influence and control.

It's evident at this point that the Hamas visits to the Kremlin haven't been for mere social niceties. They're in bed with these baby beheading *******s… and have given their blessing knowing full well their intentions and the disgusting lengths to which they'll go.

Senior Hamas Official Ali Baraka: We Have Been Secretly Planning the Invasion for Two Years; Russia Sympathizes with Us, Benefits from U.S. Embroilment in This War; Any Swap Deal Should Include Hamas Prisoners in Europe and the U.S. #Hamas #Russia #Israel_under_attack pic.twitter.com/JNGQotkKg5

— MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) October 11, 2023

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Ok. Taking that even at face value, let's ponder again why certain Russian oligarchs, like the widow of the mayor of Moscow and a provider of the APC's used in the initial invasion of Kiev are not on US sanctions.

Hint; because the core problem you can't get around is that we are led by corruption ourselves. It's not that I don't like the guy but that he is in bed with our enemies, financially.

Syria, Ukraine, Iran, Afghanistan, you name it. Find a region where we haven't paid enemies of our country/basic human values tremendously to arm and hurt us the past few years. Propping up a moral laughing stock in Kiev to 'take on Putin' is just pathetic, at the cost of inflation/hunger/death in the world this war has led to, both directly and indirectly. And I would note that many war proponents have mocked, repeatedly, the risk of this conflict spreading. Or discussion of the BRICS alliance' increasing power/reach/size in many areas (energy, GDP, finance, currency, banking, trade, you name it).

Do I like the Russians, or Iranians, or Saudi's, or CCP, or Hamas? No, hell no. But the war in Ukraine has built their strength/ability to sew death and destruction, while clearly enormously weakening our ability to counter it. Biden must be removed from office, 25th amendment or impeachment, immediately. We shouldn't fund another dime to Zelensky until that happens. We're not just lamenting Hunter's Ukrainian *****s any longer.

"War proponents"? You mean Russia? The ones that invaded and started a war?

Oh, I'm certainly not arguing against the existence of our corruption, or the ineptitude of the liberal approach to US security and foreign affairs. And I fully agree that Biden, and all the other Obama era leeches need to be purged.

I also agree that we need to extricate ourselves from the situation, yet pragmatically it needs to be achieved in a fashion that doesn't provide strategic gains to those who would compromise our interests or do us harm and doesn't portray us as a pushover that would encourage future efforts by Iran, China, Russia to perpetrate, directly or indirectly, destabilizing acts (violently or otherwise) which compromise our interests.

Russia, Hamas, Iran make natural allies. Russia has been fighting like a better equipped, slightly more civilized Hamas. Targeting civilians, rape, abducting children is justified from some perspectives.

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And yet there is a constant between the two. It's pretty clear that Russia is all in on violent destabilization of multiple regions as a means for facilitating increased influence and control.

It's evident at this point that the Hamas visits to the Kremlin haven't been for mere social niceties. They're in bed with these baby beheading *******s… and have given their blessing knowing full well their intentions and the disgusting lengths to which they'll go.

Senior Hamas Official Ali Baraka: We Have Been Secretly Planning the Invasion for Two Years; Russia Sympathizes with Us, Benefits from U.S. Embroilment in This War; Any Swap Deal Should Include Hamas Prisoners in Europe and the U.S. #Hamas #Russia #Israel_under_attack pic.twitter.com/JNGQotkKg5

— MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) October 11, 2023

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Russia, Hamas, Iran make natural allies. Russia has been fighting like a better equipped, slightly more civilized Hamas. Targeting civilians, rape, abducting children is justified from some perspectives.

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100%. There is very little difference between Hamas and Russia in regards to how they behave in conflict. Both are truly the epitome of evil.

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Now that Israel is the hot button topic, the bloviating about stacking Orcs and "pushing back Russia everyday" is drying up on all social media, including TexAgs.

These lemmings on Twitter and other places will never admit or even realize how wrong they were about the feasibility of Uke success yet still find themselves in a voting booth.

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Reading some of the responses to your post I am sure they will have folks branded as Russian comrades in arms and honorary Hamas members if you refuse to line up behind the narrative that Russia, Iran, Hamas, and others must all be destroyed by US dollars and weapons and will continue to ignore or diminish our domestic problems.

Russia did invade Ukraine. Hamas did attack Israel and have committed the most abhorrent of atrocities against the innocence. But people want to just point a finger and say "those ****ers are just evil and must be destroyed not matter what it costs the US"... and never even pause to ask why Russia acted when it did, why Hamas acted when it did, why Iran is partnering up ever more closely with Russia and bad actors in the MIddle East.

The questions are complex and the answers are even more difficult to understand and arrive at.

But lemmings are not prone to thinking for themselves, certainly not when that thinking becomes very complex and and somewhat uncomfortable.

But it's not really that complex. Russia and Hamas are just thugs on the world stage and have acted as such.

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No one has made this argument. We are spending like 4 to 6% of our defense budget on Ukraine and zero american lives. We are perfectly fine with that.

Well said. The most unfortunate part of all of this is that the yokels and lemmings will inevitably stumble into a voting booth. When a fools vote counts the same as yours, you're not free.

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But it's not really that complex. Russia and Hamas are just thugs on the world stage and have acted as such.

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No one has made this argument. We are spending like 4 to 6% of our defense budget on Ukraine and zero american lives. We are perfectly fine with that.

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Its been pointed out previously that the 4%-6% figures are drastically off and completely irrelevant regardless.

And even at the financial costs and no American soldiers, you discount lives that could be saved if those funds were spent on Americans.

So"WE" are NOT perfectly fine with endless spending on Ukes, hence the whole reason for this thread.

It is much more complex than you and others try to continually make it. But you do you. At least let others discuss the more complex issues even if you choose to continually ignore them. Quit shouting down others who have a different perspective.

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Can you show me where this either/or decision took place and who made it? Need specifics here. Like someone specifically denying a program in order to fund Ukraine aid.

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Again, no one is suggesting we spend "endless" amounts. You keep putting words in people's mouths. And no one is shouting anyone down. We are respectfully asking questions and clarifying positions.

Would be nice if there was a place or even a part of a place where actual debate on the issues could occur. Been looking for an alternative as there are times where even a thread like this, specifically made for broadeer, deeper discussion is continually derailed with false information and pure parroting of mainstream talking points... ad nauseum.

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Can you show me where this either/or decision took place and who made it? Need specifics here. Like someone specifically denying a program in order to fund Ukraine aid.

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Again, no one is suggesting we spend "endless" amounts. You keep putting words in people's mouths. And no one is shouting anyone down. We are respectfully asking questions and clarifying positions.

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You want to really argue that the only money being sent to Ukraine is surplus funds that were otherwise going to vanish into thin air?

Have all government programs been fully funded? Are all the roads in tip top shape, the border wall complete? Are all American children fully fed, clothed, housed and educated?

You are attempting to make a false argument that if someone cannot show a document saying "send these dollars to Ukraine and do NOT send these dollars to feed children in the United States" then somehow that tradeoff has been made.

Regarding the "putting words in other people's mouths"... again, its a false argument. Do we have a plan and agreement that only certain $'s will ever be sent to Ukraine and nothing more? If not, then the spending is "endless" until there is a plan to stop it.

Calling people Russian sympathizers or parroting Russian propaganda is absolute NOT "respectfully asking questions and clarifying positions."

You want to send money and weapon to Ukraine because you hate Russia. Your position is clear. Have at it.

I seek a deeper discussion on why we keep finding ourselves sending money and weapons around the world whilst our nation crumbles around us. If we need yet another thread to quit your derailing, I guess we can go that route.