So the landing ship from the strike a bit ago is already back in service,AND the guy they said they got is fine? Still giving speeches?

Bad day to be a propagandist unless I missed something. I know for a fact there are now some freezing cold takes on that landing ship from when it first got struck. I even think some in MSM were saying it could not be repaired/would be decommissioned.

Thats not just another Tuesday.

You might be confusing the landing ship that was hit with a drone with the one in dry dock that was pretty much destroyed

Its unfair to compare Russia Navy to Ukraine Navy. Following drone strike on Ukraine Navy, they simply need a rubber patch kit and an air compressor to get back in action.

Except for the best ship they had which they sank themselves.

Along with their most valuable aircraft that they scuttled sitting on the tarmac.

Ag with kids said:

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I don't think there is any reason to believe the Ukrainian side (including the Bidens/CCP/blackrock) really want this war to end no matter what.

Russian MoD released a photo of a claimed meeting today between Shoigu and military commanders, with Black Sea Fleet Admiral Sokolov participating (bottom on the left) and not dead as has been alleged

No way to verify the date of the photo though pic.twitter.com/tylaGRXaHc

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) September 26, 2023

I guess the Russian commander/admiral of their Black Sea fleet survived, despite the propaganda around his death in that building. Shocker the Ukrainians would lie about that.

Now, for propaganda from the other side, Pravda (literally) claims the WH has put out a 5 page letter with demands for reform from Ukraine as conditions required for further aid:

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Details: According to Ukrainska Pravda's information, the letter was also sent to Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal and the Office of the President of Ukraine.

The document outlines the necessary changes in order of priority: 0-3 months, 3-6 months, one year, and 18 months.

The reforms focus on the functioning of the Supervisory Boards of state-owned businesses, anti-corruption bodies (the Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office, National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, National Agency for Corruption Prevention, etc.), the High Council of Justice, and the judiciary in general.
Changes in the work of Ukraine's Ministry of Defence and all law enforcement agencies are also listed as one-year priorities.

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Nice how you post a Xeet that uses Russian propaganda but qualifies that they can't verify the date and you use it as proof. And claiming the other information is propaganda.

Keep on keepin on...

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If the guy isn't really dead it seems like it would be pretty easy to prove it by having him appear in public. I guess we'll find out in a few days though.

He's still alive. C'mon, they released a second video even.

American Thinker:

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That leads us toward the loudest issue, at least from the American perspective: the catapulting of Ukraine into the DNC client state.

History demonstrates that a political party could have a satellite military force that bypasses the official military chain of command. These legions report exclusively to party bosses. For example, the Nazis had their military branch, the SS, outside the Wehrmacht. Putin's party army, Rosgvardia, is not answerable to the Russian Ministry of Defense, either. While these examples are well known, history has never witnessed a political party forming not its military offshoot, but a client state. It looks as though Ukraine constitutes itself as the first state on a short leash by a foreign political party: the Democrat party of America.

In the past, the Democrat Party successfully attempted to establish party-aligned military or quasi-military wings. Recall the KKK, Antifa, numerous "Occupy" movements, and BLM thugs. Now a supposed sovereign country, Ukraine, has willingly submitted itself to Democrat party serfdom, along with a carefully established and well oiled money-laundering conveyor.

The deliberate weakening of the United States and Russia by their respective presidents mandates prolonged, bloody trench warfare. That is why neither the United States, NATO allies, nor Russia is rushing. China's Politburo, directly or indirectly, demanded the piecemeal delivery of armaments to Ukraine. Everyone on the left side of the political spectrum stays committed to the plan.

The world not to mention Ukrainians must understand that the de-Ukrainization of Ukraine at the hands of Russian revanchists is just a sideshow. This bitter truth is hard to swallow, but the main event is the de-Americanization of America and the de-Russification of Russia by Chinese communists. The end of bloodshed may reside well outside the kill zone that separates the defender and the aggressor.

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Here’s the final vote tally from tonight for the Senate to start processing the CR, which would fund the government through November 17th, and includes $6.15 billion in new assistance for Ukraine. Overall, great deal for Democrats! Raw deal for GOP.https://t.co/1ZwAqjDy1H

— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) September 27, 2023

We must defend the borders of Ukraine, it’s really terrible what’s happening there. pic.twitter.com/F22drg3oit

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) September 26, 2023

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Its unfair to compare Russia Navy to Ukraine Navy. Following drone strike on Ukraine Navy, they simply need a rubber patch kit and an air compressor to get back in action.

Except for the best ship they had which they sank themselves.

Along with their most valuable aircraft that they scuttled sitting on the tarmac.

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Yeah! Go Russia!

Its weird to me how similar threads on what used to be boring, fact based things like a far off foreign war mainly discussed by some old ass calm voiced dude on tv are now so similar to like an A&M or Cowboys game thread or Jim Rome style smack talk.

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Its weird to me how similar threads on what used to be boring, fact based things like a far off foreign war mainly discussed by some old ass calm voiced dude on tv are now so similar to like an A&M or Cowboys game thread or Jim Rome style smack talk.

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I don't think this is good but as per above links and Senator Lee's remarks, Ukraine is viewed by many/most conservatives as a client state/war/money laundering operation by Democrats.

This makes it a partisan affair to many, including myself, who see it simply as an exorbitant waste of money and lives in furtherance of political enemies' interests (very un-American).

The flip side are the 'cheerleaders' among our media which many follow, and I think can be considered the anti-anti-communists as Bongino/David Horowitz describe them; whatever conservatives support/oppose, they reflexively argue the opposite, whether it's Ray Epps being a fed or Ukraine war bad.

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Its unfair to compare Russia Navy to Ukraine Navy. Following drone strike on Ukraine Navy, they simply need a rubber patch kit and an air compressor to get back in action.

Except for the best ship they had which they sank themselves.

Along with their most valuable aircraft that they scuttled sitting on the tarmac.

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Yeah! Go Russia!

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Not sure what you are getting at, but my post is nothing but facts, not cheering one side or the other.

I continue to enjoy the updates from Geopolitical Futures, The article below was linked today and yes it is from Russia state media, so take that into context.

https://ria.ru/20220404/ukraina-1781317938.html

What I like about what GPF does is they link to these articles but then go through what may and may not be true from the article and where possible they cite the contradictory information or they opine on the information, again clearly articulating thoughts vs facts.

Overall take today is that Russia is trying to modernize and expand their military production and in return their military assets, but they are hamstrung by manpower, losses in Ukraine, and sanctions / lack of financing. DPRK is providing some help but that's like walking through the ghetto and asking for spare gold.

However, there is continued concern about how this conflict and the western support of Ukraine is driving Russian alliances with both smaller and the larger players in the region. There is NO way to spin that as a positive for those of us in the United States.

Instead of crushing the bear, we may be waking it up and poking it.

Agreed. I see the Bidens in more and more corruption trouble today, tying back/to Ukraine quite obviously. Obviously they need to send a few billion more to Ukraine asap.

🇺🇦Kiev gas station: Woman in a $70,000 outfit.

-> Wonder who pay’s for that … our taxes? pic.twitter.com/NrXO5kUiKc

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) September 27, 2023

Seems like a really big deal that they would put this in writing and Hunter would sign his name on it… Also, seems like a big deal that the investigation was shut down shortly thereafter.

If we actually had journalist left in our country, this would be a very big story. https://t.co/zAUb3GMhVb

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) September 27, 2023

Just as Shokin's successor did what he was told, Z-man complied with his orders as well.

🚨 REMINDER!
Before Zelensky was elected he promised:
- To end the war
- To negotiate with Putin
- To do everything to prevent even a single death
- To hold a referendum about the peace proposal, so that Ukraine decides and not him
- To not make himself the “smartest”

-> Yeah … https://t.co/mTutmXUrhX pic.twitter.com/hB8uDkiaeF

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) September 27, 2023

Sometimes you have to laugh at the ukro-nazi's and various international war cheerleaders like Trudeau:

Make this go viral. Whoever did this is a genius. pic.twitter.com/ejIpZAdeIJ

— Martyupnorth®- Unacceptable Fact Checker 🇨🇦 (@Martyupnorth_2) September 27, 2023

Even CNN notes:

“𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐮𝐦𝐮𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐲 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐫𝐮𝐧𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐫𝐲.”

CNN writes that the "vast store of… pic.twitter.com/izVMS0cRzw

— il libanese (@Ramy_Sawma) September 28, 2023

Ukraine could be America's next 'forever war:' 1945:

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As the war rolls deeper into its second year, the United States still has no war-termination strategy. Washington does not even have a vision for how the war might end, and it resists any effort to seek a negotiated settlement through diplomacy.

The prevailing sound bite that permeates the U.S. government is the ill-defined phrase that the U.S. will support Ukraine "for as long as it takes." Everyone from the president and the secretary of state, to the secretary of defense and many lawmakers in Congress, cites this mantra constantly. None has a definition of what it means or a substantive answer for how the phrase protects American interests.

These convoluted, unfocused, and rudderless efforts to support Ukraine with U.S. military equipment and money serve only to perpetuate the war. They do nothing to bring it to an end. One might hope that America's painful and recent history of providing open-ended support for wars of marginal interest to U.S. national security would provide a guide on how to avoid repeating failures. Thus far, unfortunately, such hope appears to be in vain.

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American national security now is not any better than it was the day before this war started or will be on the day the war ends. The reason? Because American conventional military power, and that of the NATO alliance, dwarfs anything Russia had, has, or will have. "Killing Russians" does not make Americans any safer and is therefore a poor use of American resources. Open-ended support for Ukraine will, perversely, diminish our conventional military capacity over time.

According to the latest accounting from the Pentagon, the U.S. has to date given Ukraine an astounding list of military equipment. A partial list includes: Patriot, NASMS, and Hawk air defense systems; 38 HIMARS systems; 270 howitzers (of 155mm and 105mm) along with 2.8 million shells; and more than 240 mortar systems, with 400,000 mortar rounds. In terms of combat vehicles (M1A1 Abrams, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, Strykers and other wheeled and tracked platforms), the U.S. has given over 5,000, along with more than 300 million bullets of various caliber.

It is not merely the money the U.S. has spent, but the reduction of its physical inventory of weapons, armored vehicles, and ammunition that has had a corresponding reduction in America's physical capacity to wage and sustain war. Many are suggesting the United States continue providing Ukraine with additional armored vehicles and ammunition indefinitely. What these advocates rarely mention, however, is the cost to our own national security capacity that such contributions impose.

If the U.S. were to suddenly find itself in a major war, its military would be dangerously low on howitzers and artillery ammunition. One cannot reduce inventories by almost 3 million in a year and a half and expect anything but a negative impact on the ability to sustain a war. We are currently producing a paltry 24,000 shells per month in America, and we hope to be up to 85,000 per month in 2025.

If the U.S. stopped giving Ukraine any shells today, it would take four or five years to replace what has already been lost. One must ask why so many advocates of perpetual support to Ukraine seem unconcerned with the perpetual reduction of U.S. warmaking potential. Helping Ukraine defend itself is an understandable aspiration. But there are real-world consequences for doing so at this rate, and the trends are definitely negative for the United States.

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As the war rolls deeper into its second year, the United States still has no war-termination strategy. Washington does not even have a vision for how the war might end, and it resists any effort to seek a negotiated settlement through diplomacy.

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I like how the article starts out with the laughable premise that the US is responsible for ending this war that Russia alone started. Russia alone is responsible for an end and a proposition of negotiated peace.

And more evidence of what has been apparent for some time, Russia has no ability to mount offensives.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-mod-counteroffensive-ukraine-1829578?amp=1

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Russian forces are showing "only minimal capability on the offensive," the update said as Russian commanders "struggle to orchestrate complex joint effects, to concentrate sufficient artillery ammunition, and to maintain high morale and offensive spirit."

With Ukraine's counteroffensive aimed at recapturing Russian-occupied territory nearly four months old, Russian troops have made their own "concerted effort" at counter attacks in the sectors in Orikhiv, (western Zaporizhzhia Oblast) and Bakhmut (Donetsk oblast) the U.K. Ministry of Defense said on Monday.

But Ukrainian troops have "defeated" these Russian attacks and held recently liberated territory, the ministry said. It noted how the Russian military community shows "extreme disillusionment" regarding "ill-conceived" advances, lack of artillery support and high losses.

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Ukraine is asking for permission and the means to hit facilities in Iran and Syria, or for the West to do it for them.

At a minimum, this brings Iran directly into this conflict. More broadly it sets a precedent for hitting facilities in Europe.

In either case, they're looking…

— Von Clownsewitz's War College (@vonClownsewitz) September 27, 2023

I read about this yesterday but was hoping this was inaccurate. Unfortunately, it isn't.

This may be why only the cluster munition version (and only around 60) was given to them of ATACMS. Ukraine wants to make this a much broader conflict no matter how.

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Ukraine is asking for permission and the means to hit facilities in Iran and Syria, or for the West to do it for them.

At a minimum, this brings Iran directly into this conflict. More broadly it sets a precedent for hitting facilities in Europe.

In either case, they're looking…

— Von Clownsewitz's War College (@vonClownsewitz) September 27, 2023

I read about this yesterday but was hoping this was inaccurate. Unfortunately, it isn't.

This may be why only the cluster munition version (and only around 60) was given to them of ATACMS. Ukraine wants to make this a much broader conflict no matter how.

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So we give $6 billion to Iran so they can defend themselves against US funded attacks from Ukraine? Makes sense. Think things like this have happened before.

Engaging Iran is an ultimate FAFO in the current environment. Want to see China, Saudis, and India line up against the US and the West, then allow this to happen.

Yes, and Blinken sort of set that up as 'plausibly deniable' noting that Ukraine chooses targets of their own wishes (wink, wink).

Mitch has lost his marbles

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 27, 2023

How can someone who is clearly experiencing aneurysms – live on TV –have authority for critical decisions that affect the world?

Real question.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 28, 2023

The world has gone utterly mad.

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nortex97 said:

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Ukraine is asking for permission and the means to hit facilities in Iran and Syria, or for the West to do it for them.

At a minimum, this brings Iran directly into this conflict. More broadly it sets a precedent for hitting facilities in Europe.

In either case, they're looking…

— Von Clownsewitz's War College (@vonClownsewitz) September 27, 2023

I read about this yesterday but was hoping this was inaccurate. Unfortunately, it isn't.

This may be why only the cluster munition version (and only around 60) was given to them of ATACMS. Ukraine wants to make this a much broader conflict no matter how.

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So we give $6 billion to Iran so they can defend themselves against US funded attacks from Ukraine? Makes sense. Think things like this have happened before.

Engaging Iran is an ultimate FAFO in the current environment. Want to see China, Saudis, and India line up against the US and the West, then allow this to happen.

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No. We gave them the money because Biden is a complete dumb**** and doesn't care about America.

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So we give $6 billion to Iran so they can defend themselves against US funded attacks from Ukraine? Makes sense. Think things like this have happened before.

Engaging Iran is an ultimate FAFO in the current environment. Want to see China, Saudis, and India line up against the US and the West, then allow this to happen.

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No. We gave them the money because Biden is a complete dumb**** and doesn't care about America.

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Neither do people who support a corrupt country and regime in Ukraine over spending money at home on borders and law & order.

Have you considered that it's not so much about supporting Ukraine as it is stopping Russia?

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Have you considered that it's not so much about supporting Ukraine as it is stopping Russia?

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Stopping Russia from what?

Is it Russians coming across the southern border? Is Russia making the fentanyl? Is it the Russia mafia or the Mexican cartels setting up shop throughout the US?

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Have you considered that it's not so much about supporting Ukraine as it is stopping Russia?

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Stopping Russia from what?

Is it Russians coming across the southern border? Is Russia making the fentanyl? Is it the Russia mafia or the Mexican cartels setting up shop throughout the US?

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Ah, the old we can only do one thing at a time bit.

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So we give $6 billion to Iran so they can defend themselves against US funded attacks from Ukraine? Makes sense. Think things like this have happened before.

Engaging Iran is an ultimate FAFO in the current environment. Want to see China, Saudis, and India line up against the US and the West, then allow this to happen.

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No. We gave them the money because Biden is a complete dumb**** and doesn't care about America.

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Neither do people who support a corrupt country and regime in Ukraine over spending money at home on borders and law & order.

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You're making the mistake that this is an either or...

Biden isn't spending any money on border and law & order REGARDLESS of Ukraine...

So, it can be spent to kill Russians and damage Russia or it could be pissed away on the dumbass cause du jour of the liberal left.

That's the sad reality since the Dems beat Trump and then the "red wave" collapsed into a ripple...

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So, it can be spent to kill Russians and damage Russia or it could be pissed away on the dumbass cause du jour of the liberal left.

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Except for the fact that Russia is economically, politically, and militarily stronger today than they were 19 months ago, and Europe/the US are the opposite.

If the commander in chief is guilty of treason/selling out himself, it's vastly more dangerous to leave him in charge of a land war against asian powers which are paying him, than arguing over the damage he is otherwise inflicting domestically, but yes, we can and should be restricting him on both counts, in addition to removing him from office (legally).

Tap dancing around/past/ignoring his treason and many payments by Russian oligarchs and CCP companies is…the peak of absurd strategies.

Meanwhile, the non-disabled/elderly adult male population of Ukraine has been completely and utterly decimated. But hey, they took Robotyne, so, yay, it's all great now!

No, we are NOT securing the border and protecting our people at home and we ARE protecting Ukraines "border" and helping there people.

But I don't see you clamoring multiple times a day regarding the cartel stacking bodies of Americans.

Some self reflection would do you well.

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Except for the fact that Russia is economically, politically, and militarily stronger today than they were 19 months ago, and Europe/the US are the opposite.

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No one believes this but you

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No, we are NOT securing the border and protecting our people at home and we ARE protecting Ukraines "border" and helping there people.

But I don't see you clamoring multiple times a day regarding the cartel stacking bodies of Americans.

Some self reflection would do you well.

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Maybe we should seal off all that marijuana coming across our borders. The potheads would be outraged. Oh wait I almost forgot…….

fka ftc said:

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No, we are NOT securing the border and protecting our people at home and we ARE protecting Ukraines "border" and helping there people.

But I don't see you clamoring multiple times a day regarding the cartel stacking bodies of Americans.

Some self reflection would do you well.

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We can do both. Easily.

How Russia has adapted defensive strategies.

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Once Ukrainian forces broke through the Russian defensive lines, artillery barrages were fixed on separating tanks from their assigned infantry units. This approach was somewhat successful in preventing Ukraine's further advance toward the flanks. The MLRSs firing the 9M27K2 rockets set up minefields to delay enemy reserves (the second echelons), which were then hit by barrel artillery fire (Vm.ric.mil.ru, April 22). An anti-tank reserve was then brought forward and deployed in the direction of the Ukrainian advance to take on those tanks that had been successful cut off from their supporting units.

Russia's anti-tank reserve was deployed based on the tasks assigned to the various brigades. Those nearest the front carried out the task of destroying Ukrainian tanks and other armored vehicles that had yet to penetrate the first defensive line (2.53.5 kilometers from the frontlines). The next line of anti-tank groupings focused on destroying those Ukrainian tanks that had completely broken through the first line (45 kilometers from the front edge of the first defensive line). Subsequent deployments were assigned at a distance of 46 kilometers from one another and concentrated on cutting off Ukrainian advances through the second and third lines of defense (Vm.ric.mil.ru, April 22). Russia's anti-tank forces were further supported by extensive minefields the deeper Ukrainian mechanized units pushed.

Problems with minefields have become the most acute during the current Ukrainian counteroffensive. Recent reports show that Ukraine is dealing with an 85-percent shortage in mine-clearing equipment (Euromaidan Press, July 16). This has contributed to Ukraine's motorized and mechanized units suffering significant losses along the front. Even if the vehicles are able to overcome a minefield, the reactive mine-laying systems set anti-personnel mines in front of the advancing infantry. Russia's renewed focus on mining its defensive positions comes as a result of one of the few successes in pushing back the Kherson operation. Ukrainian infantry and mechanized units suffered serious losses in the Pravdino and Berislav directions due to extensive minefields (T.me/ZOV_SILA_RF, September 20, 21, 2022; T.me/milinfolive, October 5, 2022).

The Russian army has learned that it is advisable to place mine barrages along roads and bridges where Ukrainian tracked and wheeled vehicles might move. Particular attention is paid to road junctions, where roadblocks are established consisting of mines, rubble and barricades of faulty equipment (Vm.ric.mil.ru, April 22). In conditions of direct contact with Ukrainian forces, mixed mine barrages are set up along the first line of defense at night under the cover of small arms fire.

The delivery of mines is carried out by Russian personnel from the entrenched defensive forces. Some units are tasked with fixing the boundaries for the mine barrages, while others directly set the mines. Last year, FAB-250s and S-300 surface-to-air missile systems were used as landmines to destroy bridges and sections of roadway. (See Figure 2.) Ukrainian columns were delayed by Uragan MLRSs with KPTM-3 cluster mines and Zemledeliye remote mine-laying systems (Defence-ua.com, March 5). Mobile mine-laying teams on armored vehicles set mines along the second and third defensive lines (T.me/milinfolive, March 1).

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Russia has also revisited its use of drones when defending against Ukrainian advances. Two types of
Lancet barrage munitions, dubbed the "X-51" and "X-52," were used to defend against Ukraine's armored vehicles and tanks last year. Strikes were carried out according to known coordinates or by searching for the target during patrols. Drone operators utilized the external targeting system of the ZALA reconnaissance drone when identifying targets.

Overall, the Lancet drones were rather effective in carrying out their tasks (T.me/btvt2019, July 21). Russian media recently reported that production of the Lancet drones this year has increased by 50 times compared to 2022. According to those reports, as of August 2023, Russia has used over 850 Lancets during the war. Russian High Command claims that the Lancet is "invisible to radar," virtually noiseless and "carries a warhead usually large enough to damage even heavy vehicles" (Ukrainska Pravda, August 28). Russian military leaders are counting on its increased use to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses, opening up gaps for subsequent missile strikes.

The current Ukrainian counteroffensive will likely make steady gains in the coming weeks. As Russia continues to adapt its defensive posturing and capabilities, it will be critical for Ukraine's military leaders to identify these changes and exploit their weaknesses. Failure to do so could result in a substantial prolonging of the "long war."

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In other words, thanks to reactive mining (if a mechanized unit manages to make it through a minefield more are just laid remotely to kill infantrymen trying to cross it), even limited breakthroughs are…functionally very limited in their actual impact/ability to sustain themselves.

Meanwhile, Russian propaganda, which I won't link out of respect for others, shows they do intend to take Odessa next year I believe.

The Kremlin has prepared a plan to seize 5 regions of Ukraine if the war continues into 2024. For these purposes, reserves are being accumulated on the borders with Ukraine and new brigades are being formed. British intelligence believes the Russian army could employ a million… pic.twitter.com/yJtTyjJQ0D

— Sprinter (@Sprinter99800) September 28, 2023

I guess Kadyrov didn't die either. Too bad, I actually wanted to believe that bit of Ukrainian propaganda:

Kadyrov meeting Putin. Notice Kadyrov's shaky hands at 0:11.

I don't think the guy is anywhere near death. But he is definitely not having it easy. pic.twitter.com/gbV6UUqQvK

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) September 28, 2023

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No, we are NOT securing the border and protecting our people at home and we ARE protecting Ukraines "border" and helping there people.

But I don't see you clamoring multiple times a day regarding the cartel stacking bodies of Americans.

Some self reflection would do you well.

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Maybe we should seal off all that marijuana coming across our borders. The potheads would be outraged. Oh wait I almost forgot…….

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Forgot that it's legal in many states and grown and produced in the US?

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fka ftc said:

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No, we are NOT securing the border and protecting our people at home and we ARE protecting Ukraines "border" and helping there people.

But I don't see you clamoring multiple times a day regarding the cartel stacking bodies of Americans.

Some self reflection would do you well.

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Maybe we should seal off all that marijuana coming across our borders. The potheads would be outraged. Oh wait I almost forgot…….

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Forgot that it's legal in many states and grown and produced in the US?

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It is not legal in Texas and a **** ton comes across our border to support our resident potheads

I know this thread is for folks with opposite viewpoints of the other thread which is pro-supporting Ukraine.

For the folks whose sentiments echo this thread, IMO the last thing you want to see happen is Russia look like it is gearing up and massing for yet another major offensive and more land grabbing.

Your best chance for political support waning in this thing is if it gets into a long and pretty static (and frankly boring) stalemate of attrition where Russia is simply holding onto the land it has already grabbed and playing defense while Ukraine is the one having to show some sort of 'real progress' but isn't really able to show any. Then you'll see more and more momentum (probably) for reduced funding and so forth.

But Russia doing yet another huge attack next spring, that will make this thing 'exciting' and a 'dynamic' situation again, with Russia even more easier to paint as a dangerous regional aggressor taking more territory and will be much easier to garner political support to give the Bully a blood nose. You'd probably see funding from the West actually increase with yet more weapon systems and such and Western folks salivating at the chance to make the Russians pay even more dearly for whatever extra land they try to grab.

You want this as it has been the past several months...relatively static and boring...boring and static. You don't want to hear stuff like Russia is building up with a 'million man' army to invade Odessa. You'll have NATO just probably thinking 'oh wow! I wonder if we just give Ukraine this or maybe that then maybe we can kill at least a 100K of them!

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No, we are NOT securing the border and protecting our people at home and we ARE protecting Ukraines "border" and helping there people.

But I don't see you clamoring multiple times a day regarding the cartel stacking bodies of Americans.

Some self reflection would do you well.

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Maybe we should seal off all that marijuana coming across our borders. The potheads would be outraged. Oh wait I almost forgot…….

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Forgot that it's legal in many states and grown and produced in the US?

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It is not legal in Texas and a **** ton comes across our border to support our resident potheads

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Seems like Texas needs to get it legalized and end that import.

I only smoke / ingest what I get legally from other states, so no support of the cartel for me. Nice attempt at derail though.

Take the discussion to the tea-totaller board if you have further comment.

A Russian offensive toward securing more control/territory along the Black Sea seems inevitable, to me. I am not really in agreement with you that this would elicit a boom of support for sending them more guns/ammo/money, but maybe it would, who knows. I don't think they really want 'all' of Ukraine but we will just have to see.

Regardless, my read is that a threat of Russia next plunging through Poland/Hungary/Germany etc. is…well it's a proven falsehood. They don't really have a combat deployment capability a la our airlift/logistics globally. A reflexive 'well let's at least kill 100K of them because they are bad' seems…well that wouldn't be what I'd expect, again.

Russia, like Turkey, Iran, North Korea, Saudi, and China, all have a pretty totalitarian government run by some bad actors. That doesn't mean I think we should cut off all food aid to North Korea this year either just to kill off an extra million or so NoKo's, even though their leadership does a lot of horrible things.

There is something morally flawed with such a 'team-based' reaction, imho, and yes while it is somewhat just human dynamics in seeing 'the other' as an evil enemy to be slaughtered/killed, some of it is just message board semantics I think. In short, I don't think there is an absolute, one way or the other, in the conflict; it's a war after all, so deception and 'surprise' in attacks/strategy should be expected. I really don't think Putin is sitting in his meetings deliberating as to how to undermine US support for the war (though he might be curious how to sow more discord in the US a la Hillary's Steele dossier, or payments to the Bidens etc.).

No need. The point was made. Back to the Russian propaganda we go.

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A Russian offensive toward securing more control/territory along the Black Sea seems inevitable, to me.

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If this is inevitable, and you seem to believe it is, then please stop with the empty calls for "negotiated peace". Because if Russian plans even more offensives and additional land grabs, then peace is not something they are wanting. Because that isn't peace. What you are truly advocating at that point is simply surrender.