Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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TheBonifaceOption
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Then it should be easy for Kiev to defeat them.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

Then it should be easy for Kiev to defeat them.


War is never easy, but it has been steady for the last 18 months with Russia losing a whopping 60% of their gains.



Slow and steady works against a country with no offensive capability, inferior weapons, and completely demoralized
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Think this map is particularly relevant to show what incompetent liberal leadership gets you.

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More good news from Biden's foreign policy initiatives.

Man we need Tough on Iran Trump back in office. The one who killed Iran terrorist leader when he had the chance and Dems / MSM said he was starting WWIII.

No thanks in large part to Ukraine conflict, we see an ever strengthening Iran. Made even better by us giving them $6 BILLION for a couple of prisoners.

The wars goes on forever and the grifting never ends... (emailing REK to update his lyrics)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-15/china-is-buying-the-most-iranian-oil-in-a-decade-kpler-says#xj4y7vzkg
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China Is Buying the Most Iranian Oil in a Decade, Kpler Says


Surge in Brent making the sanctioned crude more attractive


China customs data don't show any Iran imports since mid-2022


Chinese imports of sanctioned Iranian oil are running at the highest level in at least a decade as rising global prices make the discounted crude more attractive, according to data intelligence firm Kpler.


Iran has been ramping up oil exports this year as it becomes more geopolitically assertive, with most of the shipments heading to China. The easing of a probe by Beijing into imports of bitumen mixture, which Iranian crude is sometimes disguised as, also appears to be speeding the passage of cargoes through customs, according to traders who are involved in the market.

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Love that you cite Fox and that they're conservative. Maybe you didn't get the memo. This isn't a left right issue, it's a deep state issue.
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Robert L. Peters said:

Love that you cite Fox and that they're conservative. Maybe you didn't get the memo. This isn't a left right issue, it's a deep state issue.



There is no greeter deep state than the Kremlin.
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It's become clear that Ukraine is a dumping ground for defunct conventional weapons.

In 20-years eastern Ukraine will be the Udari range of eastern Europe. Gypsies will repopulate the area and trade in high grade scrap metal salvaged from destroyed vehicles.
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I wonder how much of these funds will be used to finance weapons procurement to be traded with Russia.



Clown show, did they put up Texags screenshots next?

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Do you expect them to pose a photo in front of actual classified intel?
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nortex97 said:



I wonder how much of these funds will be used to finance weapons procurement to be traded with Russia.



Clown show, did they put up Texags screenshots next?




Solid post. I am excited to see the retort to the idea that such a high number of locals do not trust Z. I always believe that was true (based on intuition, logic, and posts from both sides) but never (still not, but much more) certain.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Teslag said:

Robert L. Peters said:

Love that you cite Fox and that they're conservative. Maybe you didn't get the memo. This isn't a left right issue, it's a deep state issue.



There is no greeter deep state than the Kremlin.


I don't think you understand what "deep state" means.

I'll educate you by telling you it is an unelelected body of individuals and bureaucracy that controls the running of a federal democratic Republic government while maintaining the facade of the country being run by elected representatives representing the peoples will and interests.

The Kremlin isn't deep state because they are just the government. There is no illusion of freedom or real choice.
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Texts from a solider to his mom really??
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10thYrSr said:

Teslag said:

Robert L. Peters said:

Love that you cite Fox and that they're conservative. Maybe you didn't get the memo. This isn't a left right issue, it's a deep state issue.



There is no greeter deep state than the Kremlin.


I don't think you understand what "deep state" means.

I'll educate you by telling you it is an unelelected body of individuals and bureaucracy that controls the running of a federal democratic Republic government while maintaining the facade of the country being run by elected representatives representing the peoples will and interests.

The Kremlin isn't deep state because they are just the government. There is no illusion of freedom or real choice.


I listened to reason and deleted my diatribe.

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LarryElder said:




What timeline is this? The past month or day?
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The Biden "deal" whatever it may be, with Russia's 2nd greatest ally, Iran, should not be a secret.



Everything about this war involves American political interests (mostly Democrats), and lies about their (domestic) enemies:



So…Saint Z has also threatened the European nations hosting Ukrainian refugees that they might become terrorists if aid for Ukraine is cut next year. This one is a bit shocking even to me.



If he is trying to blackmail the euro's, he's obviously not too worried about ol' Joe Biden, CINC, nor do any of our foreign enemies.



This war, like so much else that has happened since January 2021, has strengthened one country's positions globally, and their alliance with Russia;









I don't like posting these generally but these Strykers are again in one of their 2 'best' western trained/equipped brigades I believe:



In case anyone is still under the impression this isn't a war of attrition:



How it started:



Where we are headed:



Over the Donbas/crimea?
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GAC06 said:

Do you expect them to pose a photo in front of actual classified intel?

He does, yes.
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LarryElder said:


Ooops

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Oops as in they are showing in the first image dated September 7, 2023 showing about 50sq miles of gain... of territory that in your map from May 12th, 2023 was already shaded for the Ukes?

That sort of "oops"?
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Oops as in they are showing in the first image dated September 7, 2023 showing about 50sq miles of gain... of territory that in your map from May 12th, 2023 was already shaded for the Ukes?

That sort of "oops"?

Yes, the one that shows over 18 months Russia can't do ****, while the Ukes continue to gain ground. 100 new tanks per month and the Russians are still on their heals.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-americans-aid-poll-2023-09-10/

Most Americans still support sending weapons to Ukraine and a whopping 67% support sending aid to ukraine and 75% support keeping sanctions on Russia. And you can't get 75% of Americans to agree on anything.

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Teslag said:

fka ftc said:

Oops as in they are showing in the first image dated September 7, 2023 showing about 50sq miles of gain... of territory that in your map from May 12th, 2023 was already shaded for the Ukes?

That sort of "oops"?

Yes, the one that shows over 18 months Russia can't do ****, while the Ukes continue to gain ground. 100 new tanks per month and the Russians are still on their heals.
We are looking at different maps cause the one I referenced does not make mention of 100 new tanks per month". Can you clarify what you mean?

Also, I cannot make sense of "Russians are still on their heals". Are they resting, receiving medical care, and regrouping?

Would be helpful if we stuck to the current images in question and what they show / do not show from different perspectives.
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Teslag said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-americans-aid-poll-2023-09-10/

Most Americans still support sending weapons to Ukraine and a whopping 67% support sending aid to ukraine and 75% support keeping sanctions on Russia. And you can't get 75% of Americans to agree on anything.


"Sanctions" that are strengthening Russia, Iran, China and North Korea? I am sure at least 81 million who were dumb enough to vote for Biden are dumb enough to believe in the nonsense "sanctions" rhetoric.

And its the 33% of Americans that actually pay taxes who prefer that we not send our money to Ukraine. 67% are takes from US Government so of course they always support more aid.
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And its the 33% of Americans that actually pay taxes who prefer that we not send our money to Ukraine.

Can you show this part in the survey. The raw data is at the bottom. Thanks!
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Also, I cannot make sense of "Russians are still on their heals". Are they resting, receiving medical care, and regrouping?

They are entrenched, laying mines, playing defense, and getting deceased. It's literally all they can do.
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Teslag said:


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Also, I cannot make sense of "Russians are still on their heals". Are they resting, receiving medical care, and regrouping?

They are entrenched, laying mines, playing defense, and getting deceased. It's literally all they can do.
Seems to be working effectively against the US sponsored Ukes.
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It's very effective and has resulted in a ton of lost time and Uke causalities. But that's a part of war. Ukes have finally broken through the main lines in the south and making headway, but those minefields and coordinated artillery cost a lot of lives and equipment.
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The U.S.A. has 750 military bases in like 80 countries. The next closest country with overseas deployments is, I believe, the UK with like 150 bases. Our annual military spending expenditures are roughly equivalent to the next 6-7 largest military budgets around the world. We spend nearly $3 on military for every 1$ China spends. You can go to just about any recent previous decade and we are spending lots of money and sometimes blood on some conflict, somewhere. In the most recent past, we had hundreds of thousands of personnel simultaneously over in Afghanistan and Iraq spending TRILLIONS.

It has been the way of life for the main super-power country on this planet for decades. At least this Ukraine thing is only 'by proxy' and just funding a cause to stick it to one of our main geo-political adversaries. Our country has been involved in a hell of a lot worse overseas adventures.

I'm skeptical this will even be a primary driver in the 2024 elections because no body bags are coming home and domestic issues rule the day, and frankly a decent number of conservatives are okay sticking it to the Russians so it isn't as polarizing a 'Left vs. Right' issue as many other things are.
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Pretty good interview/visuals discussing the state of the 'counter offensive.'

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Ready to see those ATACMS in action. Long needed here and should be useful in slaughter the orcs.
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Interesting evolution of the drone game. Hind helo's again being configured for anti-drone missions in some areas. My swag is these would be used in areas behind the line (as in, on the russian side) where the Ukrainians are known to be reaching out with a good number of drones, but not able to fire manpads real easily.

Also, LOL @ the more widespread use of 'temporarily occupied crimea' over the past couple weeks. I keep seeing that, though it never notes "since 2014, when Obama was president and Biden VP" etc.
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Russia is going to keep Crimea for sure and most of the territory it holds now particularly as it relates to the buffer around Crimea. It may have been discussed and it also should be obvious, but that is inline with the defensive position discussed in your previous post.
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fka ftc said:

Russia is going to keep Crimea for sure and most of the territory it holds now particularly as it relates to the buffer around Crimea. It may have been discussed and it also should be obvious, but that is inline with the defensive position discussed in your previous post.


Yep agreed . How does this end as UKE says they won't stop till all land is regained ?
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LarryElder said:

fka ftc said:

Russia is going to keep Crimea for sure and most of the territory it holds now particularly as it relates to the buffer around Crimea. It may have been discussed and it also should be obvious, but that is inline with the defensive position discussed in your previous post.


Yep agreed . How does this end as UKE says they won't stop till all land is regained ?
It ends when China tells Joe that the current line is good as the new border for Russia-Ukraine and Biden makes sad call to Z that his moment is over, pack your gold, seek exile and we will let you know whom to hand the keys to.
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