Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Is he worse than Zelensky or Biden to you? Hell I don't pay much attention to analyst names.
Obviously. So long as it fits your world view, pedophile Putin supporters will be cited in your posts.
This is essentially the exact tone used to insinuate I hate science and want to kill off old people when I pointed out the lockdowns/masks were asinine.
When you cite a pedophile that works for Russia Today, what tone should be used?
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nortex97 said:

Since this is the designated political discussion thread it's interesting the conservative Babylon bee is noting/using the obvious…waste of US funding going to Ukraine:



This is also a good question: were all (or almost all) of those Ukrainian flags that went up in early 2022 in big city virtue signaling made in China?




Lol that is one serious conspiracy stretch - Amazon can basically get you anything in 2 days. I just did a search for a Tajikistan flag and can get one by tomorrow. Is the implication Amazon is in on the giant conspiracy that forced Putin to invade his neighbor? Or just that Putin shot them an email (with Biden cc'd obviously) before he did it so that they could stock up?
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Biden lies about his many years of Ukrainian corruption are continuing to be disproven.



So Ukraine isn't even making an exemption for 'women's healthcare' like killing their child?
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lb3 said:

nortex97 said:

twk said:

nortex97 said:

Is he worse than Zelensky or Biden to you? Hell I don't pay much attention to analyst names.
Obviously. So long as it fits your world view, pedophile Putin supporters will be cited in your posts.
This is essentially the exact tone used to insinuate I hate science and want to kill off old people when I pointed out the lockdowns/masks were asinine.
When you cite a pedophile that works for Russia Today, what tone should be used?
Should be considered solid since 81 million voted for a pedophile to be POTUS.
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Russia continues to foster free debate and be against propaganda because only America is bad. Oh wait, they are jailing reporters again. Remember, Russian media and their puppets on Twitter aren't journalists. They are state actors and hate Americans, and not the CNN says mean things about trump way.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/arrest-detain-repeat-russian-war-critics-caught-jail-carousel-2023-09-07/
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Teslag said:

Russia continues to foster free debate and be against propaganda because only America is bad. Oh wait, they are jailing reporters again. Remember, Russian media and their puppets on Twitter aren't journalists. They are state actors and hate Americans, and not the CNN says mean things about trump way.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/arrest-detain-repeat-russian-war-critics-caught-jail-carousel-2023-09-07/
They jail reports, we jail political opponents and anyone associated with them.

At least Putin provides them some resemblance of a fair trial.

+1 for Vlad on this topic.
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At least Putin provides them some resemblance of a fair trial.

Or he poisons them, has them fall out of a window, and when that fails just shoots them out of the sky. But yes, Putin is the light of fairness and America is always bad.
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At least Putin provides them some resemblance of a fair trial.

Or he poisons them, has them fall out of a window, and when that fails just shoots them out of the sky. But yes, Putin is the light of fairness and America is always bad.
We drone strike American citizens without a trial, so there is that as well.
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fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

Russia continues to foster free debate and be against propaganda because only America is bad. Oh wait, they are jailing reporters again. Remember, Russian media and their puppets on Twitter aren't journalists. They are state actors and hate Americans, and not the CNN says mean things about trump way.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/arrest-detain-repeat-russian-war-critics-caught-jail-carousel-2023-09-07/
They jail reports, we jail political opponents and anyone associated with them.

At least Putin provides them some resemblance of a fair trial.

+1 for Vlad on this topic.
Yeah, Ukraine would never reach out and have a blogger arrested in Spain for 'high treason' for "russian propaganda." Ever. Couldn't ' happen.

Ukraine stands for freedom and good. They would also never starve out priests, etc.
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nortex97 said:

fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

Russia continues to foster free debate and be against propaganda because only America is bad. Oh wait, they are jailing reporters again. Remember, Russian media and their puppets on Twitter aren't journalists. They are state actors and hate Americans, and not the CNN says mean things about trump way.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/arrest-detain-repeat-russian-war-critics-caught-jail-carousel-2023-09-07/
They jail reports, we jail political opponents and anyone associated with them.

At least Putin provides them some resemblance of a fair trial.

+1 for Vlad on this topic.
Yeah, Ukraine would never reach out and have a blogger arrested in Spain for 'high treason' for "russian propaganda." Ever. Couldn't ' happen.

Ukraine stands for freedom and good. They would also never starve out priests, etc.
yep and only allowing a election if the USA pays for it! such a bastion of freedom UKE is
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They would not have to do such bad things if mean ol Vlad had not decided to take the offensive position of protecting his country from NATO encroachment.
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Russia shares a border with five NATO countries and hasn't been attacked by any of them.
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fka ftc said:

They would not have to do such bad things if mean ol Vlad had not decided to take the offensive position of protecting his country from NATO encroachment.


"Protected" his country from what? The ability to launch unprovoked invasions?
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It's interesting, with the ADL stuff today (blasting Musk), I also noted a lot more blue and yellow tears on X about "russian propaganda" (aka "those guys are saying things I don't like!!").





This goes back to the censorship industrial complex wanting to control discussions online/censor dissent around Fauci flu/vaccines, for the DNC around the election, and the Ukraine Biden wars etc. ("climate emergency" yada yada) since. Communists are always consistent about how little they tolerate dissent.

Meanwhile, I see the CCP-Biden-Zelensky attempts to spike oil and gas prices as much as possible in a concerted manner this week, heading toward the northern hemisphere's cool season, are being noticed.

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They would not have to do such bad things if mean ol Vlad had not decided to take the offensive position of protecting his country from NATO encroachment.
That never gets old….. Now he has even MORE NATO around him. Quite the master strategist, that Vlad.
It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
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Musk is going to eventually have a conundrum on his hands with Starlink. If it becomes pervasive, we will have a strong ability to shut off internet access across wide areas or alternatively to juice internet access across wide areas.

Will countries push to claim ownership of "space" above their countries and take action? He also between Starlink and X has a concentrated power to censor. He seems to have conviction about free speech being vital, but what are his plans post-Elon?
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

fka ftc said:

They would not have to do such bad things if mean ol Vlad had not decided to take the offensive position of protecting his country from NATO encroachment.
That never gets old….. Now he has even MORE NATO around him. Quite the master strategist, that Vlad.
Really, cause map shows he is expanding outward towards NATO.

NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.

I am not supporting Putin's position, just pointing out why he may have chosen to invade Ukraine, particularly after Biden extended the invite.
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fka ftc said:

Musk is going to eventually have a conundrum on his hands with Starlink. If it becomes pervasive, we will have a strong ability to shut off internet access across wide areas or alternatively to juice internet access across wide areas.

Will countries push to claim ownership of "space" above their countries and take action? He also between Starlink and X has a concentrated power to censor. He seems to have conviction about free speech being vital, but what are his plans post-Elon?
He's building a military back end to lease/sell access to the DoD etc. with, aka "Starshield." This will provide a 'more secure' option for military applications.

Post-Elon, whether that is next year or in 30 years, we all know it will be controlled by tyrants/AI.
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NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.


NATO is spending more on defense and more unified than they have been in years now.

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NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.


NATO is spending more on defense and more unified than they have been in years now.


Your opinion is different with my opinion and research I have reviewed from non-partisan sources.

You are free to disagree.
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Teslag said:

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NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.


NATO is spending more on defense and more unified than they have been in years now.


Spending money will fix everything! More debt is the key to prosperity and defense
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Teslag said:

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NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.


NATO is spending more on defense and more unified than they have been in years now.


Spending money will fix everything! More debt is the key to prosperity and defense
More Ukraine assistance is certainly key to prosperity for the congress critters, Bidens and Zelensky.
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fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

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NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.


NATO is spending more on defense and more unified than they have been in years now.


Your opinion is different with my opinion and research I have reviewed from non-partisan sources.

You are free to disagree.


It's not an opinion. NATO are counties are literally spending more on defense now.
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Teslag said:

fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

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NATO is weakening and will continue to do so in my opinion.


NATO is spending more on defense and more unified than they have been in years now.


Your opinion is different with my opinion and research I have reviewed from non-partisan sources.

You are free to disagree.


It's not an opinion. NATO are counties are literally spending more on defense now.
Spending money because you made your enemy stronger is not what I would call a "strengthening" alliance. Its called "oops" because you **** around and Putin about to let you find out.

Keep trying. This is like discussing border policies with people from NY. The facts are just not behind you on this.
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I believe this is very true, from what I have read/seen. Veterans can present an 'attractive target' for misinformation/propaganda, I think, based on a tendency to align and stick with a foreign or domestic policy narrative if perceived as patriotic.

This is sadly probably about right, at the moment anyway…no telling though...

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made your enemy stronger


Is that why they keep losing ground and have no offensive capability?
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Russia unable to conquer Ukraine, pulling obsolete crap out of storage to make up for massive losses, relied on criminals and mercenaries that mutinied- stronger

NATO growing, increasing spending, watching how to beat Russia in real time without taking any losses- weaker.

Makes perfect sense.
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FYI, we are "documenting" as fact informant from a Twitter account that's literally less than 30 days old

https://twitter.com/HistoryLegends_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1700235101089468708%7Ctwgr%5E4a6a9a6e95750ad862fd652d6dada435e98afd51%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftexags.com%2Fforums%2F16%2Ftopics%2F3365034%2F101
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He has an air force blouse on. Seems legit.
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Teslag said:

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made your enemy stronger


Is that why they keep losing ground and have no offensive capability?
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Another sign of strength: recruiting Cubans to join your quagmire

https://apnews.com/article/cuba-recruitment-russia-ukraine-war-3aa29fbb0b1271d4ded21095188dff5f
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GAC06 said:

Russia unable to conquer Ukraine, pulling obsolete crap out of storage to make up for massive losses, relied on criminals and mercenaries that mutinied- stronger

NATO growing, increasing spending, watching how to beat Russia in real time without taking any losses- weaker.

Makes perfect sense.


Don't forget that the offensive narrative…

The offensive won't happen
The offensive is mythological
The offensive is failing
The offensive failed
The offensive may have taken a village back but it's not a lot
The offensive lost the village they took
The offensive may have lost they village but they will never take Tokmak.

One day a certain poster may be right about it. Maybe.
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GAC06 said:

Russia unable to conquer Ukraine, pulling obsolete crap out of storage to make up for massive losses, relied on criminals and mercenaries that mutinied- stronger

NATO growing, increasing spending, watching how to beat Russia in real time without taking any losses- weaker.

Makes perfect sense.


Explain how this is Russia losing?

At least I have an easy to understand graphic? What do you have? [Staff Edit]

[Please refrain from subtle swipes like "trading cards" in your counter-arguments, that is trolling. - Staff]
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fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

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made your enemy stronger


Is that why they keep losing ground and have no offensive capability?

[Staff Edit]




[Just make your counter-arguments. "oops" is a condescending and unecessary response. - Staff]
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If you think that helps your cause that may explain a lot about why you keep thinking the Ukes are winning...

yea, oops is right!

Maybe some folks are colorblind or cannot read the legend.
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