Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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And none to our borders to stop a real invasion of a sovereign country.

Pretty sure you love Ukraine and Zelensky more than you love the Stars and Stripes.

You also seem to be very willing to send your brethren overseas away from their family since that group no longer includes you…
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That group does include me. I'm still in the Army Reserve.
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Well then, giddy up. But what a waste of people and resources over a conflict that totally could have been prevented if 81 million people didn't have their heads permanently shoved up their arses.

We have ZERO reason to be involved in a spat between Zelensky and his superior. They need to work it out on their own.
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A playground bully only understands violence.
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Good, let those surrounding countries in Europe figure it out. We have been playing world police for too long and spending multiple times more than any other country on world defense. The US is doing a good enough job going broke on its own and has plenty of domestic issues to figure out.
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Some updates today, starting with some informed speculation about the political soap opera around Russian military commanders. (There is also on twitter some funny picture of Prighozin in his underwear in a tent somewhere that made me laugh). More seriously:

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Apparently, they're now growing worried of a Russian offensive from the Bakhmut to sweep west towards the Kramatorsk-Slavyansk agglomerate.

Russia also made some new progress near Marinka, taking a few more fields south of it. And the biggest surprise of all was that just nearby, Russia reactivated the Huliaipole front, making a sudden advance from Marfopil to capture a couple kilometers of fields northward:
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In fact, some reports claim the AFU retreated from the entire southern banks of the Yanchur River that runs through the fields there, making the grayzone upwards of 5km in width.

But it's in the north where Russia continues to have its biggest success. Elite Kraken units were said to have completely abandoned Novoselovske, near Kuzemovka, which is between Svatove and Kupyansk:


Much on the ongoing Ammo shortage the UFA/USA faces:

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'But we have to help the Ukrainians who want to fight off the Russians' is revealed again to be utter rubbish;
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Furthermore, a huge new leaked report uncovers the mass-scale desertion and demoralization utterly decimating the AFU from the inside out.
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Members of Ukraine's Law Enforcement Agencies that oppose the Kiev regime have leaked internal documents and reports that reveal a flood of cases of soldiers of the 2nd and 5th Mechanized Battalions deserting their posts with units being deemed to be combat ineffective.
Click the link above to view the ream of scanned documents showing Ukraine's units down to 20% levels of effectiveness, riven by demoralization. An example:
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Major Usenov goes on to assess the "moral qualities and combat capability level" of the units as low as 20%. In the report, the causes are listed as "a low level of morale and psychological state of the personnel, which significantly reduces the level of combat readiness..." and "a large number of sanitary and irreversible losses".

Forever war, comrades!
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Possible nuclear war? No worries, we have the bestest leader!





To be fair, I don't think Pence's answer here was poor.



It's in America's vital national interests to fight Russians/degrade the Russian military using other nation's soldiers. WTAF?
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What is context of the Kinziger #fellas tweet?
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Nafo fellas we're the weirdo social media influencers pushing Ukraine propaganda. They had a conference or something last week. Look like antifa idiots.
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Not much to report today, fortunately.



https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/07/15/pursue_american_interests_in_ukraine_966331.html





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Nato weapons ineffective.

Ukraine threw thousands of men to capture random kilometers.
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Some would assure you that equates to victory. We're lost.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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More fractures in Nato:



Ingratitude noted by UK Defense minister:

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Ukrainians have reacted with bemusement, mild irritation and irony to Ben Wallace's notorious comments that the country should be more grateful for the help it is receiving from the UK and other allies as it fights off Russian aggression.

Kyiv previously regarded Wallace as a staunch supporter and friend. His remarks on the second day of the Nato summit in Lithuania last week mystified officials. "Whether we like it or not, people want to see a bit of gratitude," Wallace said, asked about President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's frustration at not being given a formal invitation to join Nato.

Wallace said Ukraine's brusque treatment of allies was counter-productive, especially with sceptical politicians in the US Congress and elsewhere. "I told them that last year, when I drove 11 hours to be given a list, that I'm not like Amazon," he said. He suggested Kyiv's demands for weapons were insatiable, with more asked for as soon as one system was provided.

In Ukraine there was uncertainty as to whether Wallace's intervention reflected No 10 policy something Rishi Sunak later made clear was not the case. One former deputy from Ukraine's parliament, the Rada, asked the Observer if the "lack of gratitude" comment was a manifestation of England's baffling class system? "We don't understand," they admitted. Ukrainian Twitter, meanwhile, lit up with joking memes.
Young Ukrainians scared to leave their homes as more and more forced conscription videos emerge….

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"Many young people no longer leave their homes. There's always a risk. You have to be really careful and look around in case there's any danger. It's really stressful," said one young Ukrainian man in an interview with broadcaster France 24.

"Why don't young people want to be drafted into the army? Because they know the price of holding the frontlines. It costs thousands of lives," he added.

Andrii Novak, a Ukrainian lawyer and specialist in military affairs, said that corruption among military recruiters remains rife, and some conscripting officers are playing the system to get rich quick.

"Because of corruption, there are illegal methods (to avoid the war), such as paying off the people from the armed forces commissary, or paying for a false certificate of disability," he told the French broadcaster.

It is well known that military recruitment offices have become a hotbed of corruption over the last year and a half. In Ukraine, it is no secret that mobilization can be avoided for an average of 7,000. Officers can make incredible fortunes and some do not hide their newfound wealth, arriving at work in new luxury cars.
Corruption? In saint Zelensky's war for freedom and good?



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The Ukrainians and Russians alike have greatly advanced the usage of drones both for surveillance and strikes over the course of the war.





I think the Ukrainians have been 'better' in using them in small units and in conjunction with counter-battery fire systems, but unfortunately the Russians/Chinese are not far behind and are also mass producing many of these at greater scale now (similarly I think the Chinese and Turks have substantially ramped up production/development).

Anyway, the nexus between the MIC and censorship industrial complex and AI is…this war.



Palantir is definitely a company to keep an eye on.

Frankly from various places on the internet it looks like the Ukrainians are also more advanced than their nato training partners quite often, even using domestic products/tools/software adaptations to improve what they are given/provided. 10K a month for the UFA?





Short answer, their inventory is down but they…have a lot of artillery systems.

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I certainly don't want to add any commentary to any other threads…but this did make me laugh, as it has been a claim widely asserted the past few weeks/month and a half or so relative to the mythologized 'counter offensive' which really 'we all knew would take months to get going more than a few kilometers.'



Decent, if just a bit biased article about recent history.

BMA has a similarly 'different perspective' which is perhaps more on-point/correct vs. certain narratives many fervently cling to amid a bridge span being partially downed;

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[ol]
  • Ukraine is being cut off gradually from support.
  • Ukraine did not achieve any of the goals set by the West.
  • Ukraine is/has lost.
  • No one believes in both a victory in the war and the further existence of Ukraine.
  • Most importantly: The West has begun to distance itself from Ukraine in order to prepare for possible future negotiations with Russia/BRICS/The World.
  • The condom "Ukraine" will be used thoroughly until apparently November 2023 and then thrown away in the bin of history.
  • [/ol]Keep these six points in mind, and view the picture above again. Let it sink in slowly. Take your time.
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    Cluster Ammunition

    There is one thing I'd like to add. The emerging threat by the use of cluster ammunition. Since the West ran out of a steady stream of 155mm shells that would be needed to sustain Ukraine's continuation of the war, the US decided to pivot to cluster ammunition. I think there is a reason why the US refrained for now from delivering these shells. Not because of moral or legal issues. No. The problem lies deeper. As many might know, Russia has the biggest stockpiles of cluster ammunitions worldwide.

    Russia hasn't used the stockpiles extensively until now. Occasionally, yes, but not systematically. But why has the US waited until now? Here are my thoughts on this:

    [ol]
  • By forcing Russia to do the same the US would enable Russia the moral access to another huge stockpile of further artillery shells. You know my opinion. Until recently, Russia has used more shells from its stock than it produces. Hence, it would at some point of time run out of shells. No, since Russia has ramped up its industrial production of shells, I believe that Russia has reached, or will soon reach, the point where its production exceeds its consumption.

    But we can't ignore the fact that Russia DID already use up a large part of its former stockpiles. Nevertheless, this is not critical but part of its strategic contingency plans in case of war. To ramp up the production to the consumption level, while the stockpiles provide ready reserves for high-use situations.
  • The second thoughts are purely military in nature. Ukraine is running out or already ran out of vehicles with modern armor that could withstand modern cluster ammunition. In fact, Ukraine became or is currently in the process of becoming a lightly armored force since it has run out of most "modern" stuff. Both Soviet (modern?) and Western weapons (junk that the West wanted to get rid off for several reasons).
  • [/ol]By enabling Russia to use its cluster stockpiles the following will be ensured. Since Ukraine transforms (degrades) itself to a light (ISIS like) militia currently, the usage of cluster shells against their positions or approaching forces will be devastating. Far more devastating than the normal 155mm shells. It will only ensure that the rest of its light/soft (infantry etc.) forces will be destroyed even faster than they already are. And they are currently being already destroyed on an epic scale.
    Cheers, comrades.
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    Today we can talk without a doubt about outright murder, committed by the West and its putsch regime in Kiev against the population of Ukraine.

    If the 60 dead per day on the Russian side are heavy, what would you consider 700 dead per day (average) for Ukraine? It is the forced disposal of a people by the West and its putsch regime in Kiev. Murder. War crime. Crime against humanity.

    From your link. Perspectives indeed, Mr. Objective.
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    Teslag said:


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    Today we can talk without a doubt about outright murder, committed by the West and its putsch regime in Kiev against the population of Ukraine.

    If the 60 dead per day on the Russian side are heavy, what would you consider 700 dead per day (average) for Ukraine? It is the forced disposal of a people by the West and its putsch regime in Kiev. Murder. War crime. Crime against humanity.

    From your link. Perspectives indeed, Mr. Objective.
    Stacking bodies is great, per Spartacus Aurelius Patton Westmorland Abrams MacArthur. How many Ukrainians have you estimated have been killed per day in this war? Happily, of course, of their own volition. The Ukes claimed 1000 Russians dead in a single day of course, in the gore spin war, at one point this year. Congrats!

    I've said before the casualties and emigration have already ended any possible long term future Ukraine itself could have aspired to recover/build toward.

    No where did I assert that was an objective analyses, just a different perspective to those used to reading only one. There is very little left, maybe 12-20 million along the current boundary lines, and possibly under 10 if they allow military age males to leave again.
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    Something being complete bs isn't a disqualification here, as long as it's "another perspective"
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    nortex97 said:


    No where did I assert that was an objective analyses, just a different perspective


    Well, at least you've finally admitted all the crap you post isn't objective. Step 1 is admitting you have a problem, so congratulations on getting past denial
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    ABATTBQ11 said:

    nortex97 said:


    No where did I assert that was an objective analyses, just a different perspective


    Well, at least you've finally admitted all the crap you post isn't objective. Step 1 is admitting you have a problem, so congratulations on getting past denial
    What is "objective" in the coverage of this war? ISW? British Intelligence? CNN, DW, RT, NYT, WaPo, The Guardian, Tyler Rogoway, Tendar stuff? Reporters staying in a hotel in Kiev? Embedded reporters with one side or the other?

    I am genuinely curious, do you (or others) have a list of 'objective' day to day analyses sources you would provide the board? The most neutral one I can think of would be Al Jazeera, which I've linked and excerpted plenty.
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    Certainly not The People's Voice and Scott Ritter
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    The Duran today mentioned the reduction of Ukrainian ordinances, all time low for the counter offensive (6-9k per day now).

    Couple this with the news of 20% of tanks gone and now another 10% since that initial push have been destroyed or immobile, Ukraine is going to struggle to compete for fire superiority to actually penetrate a line.

    What happens when Ukraine runs out or runs low of artillery rounds? Will they be able to hold a line? If Russia breaches will the lines roll up if all the artillery is facing north/south and they shift to east/west they get flanked.
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    So you are also unaware of any? Good talk, glad we agree again, like when another agrees about Musk and our spending 'for' Ukraine.

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    nortex97 said:

    So you are also unaware of any? Good talk, glad we agree again, like when another agrees about Musk and our spending 'for' Ukraine.




    Most of those news sources you mentioned are far more objective than outright Russian propaganda.
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    Teslag said:

    nortex97 said:

    So you are also unaware of any? Good talk, glad we agree again, like when another agrees about Musk and our spending 'for' Ukraine.




    Most of those news sources you mentioned are far more objective than outright Russian propaganda.


    You m would think that goaltending for American propaganda outlets might make someone have an "are we the badies" moment but I guess the wait for Tesla's time will continue.
    I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

    It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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    nortex97 said:

    So you are also unaware of any? Good talk, glad we agree again, like when another agrees about Musk and our spending 'for' Ukraine.




    As Teslag already said, everything you mentioned is far more objective than EVERYTHING you post, because you post literal propaganda. You've asked why people discount the opinion of a known, paid Russian propagandist who celebrated the invasion of Ukraine as if he was any kind of trustworthy source. You post unattributed quotes and tweets from random people. You don't even know who your "sources" are, just that they say what you want to hear.

    Just because you "don't buy the MSM narrative" and seek confirmation bias and a "different perspective" doesn't make you an independent thinker.
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    PlaneCrashGuy said:

    Teslag said:

    nortex97 said:

    So you are also unaware of any? Good talk, glad we agree again, like when another agrees about Musk and our spending 'for' Ukraine.




    Most of those news sources you mentioned are far more objective than outright Russian propaganda.


    You m would think that goaltending for American propaganda outlets might make someone have an "are we the badies" moment but I guess the wait for Tesla's time will continue.


    That should telll you how far and away worse Russia is with propaganda.




    But it doesn't. You honestly believe they are equal.
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    ABATTBQ11 said:

    nortex97 said:

    So you are also unaware of any? Good talk, glad we agree again, like when another agrees about Musk and our spending 'for' Ukraine.




    As Teslag already said, everything you mentioned is far more objective than EVERYTHING you post, because you post literal propaganda. You've asked why people discount the opinion of a known, paid Russian propagandist who celebrated the invasion of Ukraine as if he was any kind of trustworthy source. You post unattributed quotes and tweets from random people. You don't even know who your "sources" are, just that they say what you want to hear.

    Just because you "don't buy the MSM narrative" and seek confirmation bias and a "different perspective" doesn't make you an independent thinker.
    At what point do you feel I mislead you or believed I was posting a source that was "objective" in the "another perspective" thread? In fact, how would that be possible even?

    I don't respect 'teslag' at all and generally ignore him/her/ze (but appreciate the thread bumps from their rantings/trolls), so whatever but I am curious why 'objective' is seen as real when you can't provide a single 'objective' comparator on a thread objectively about a biased/different point of view.

    If no sources are actually 'objective' and one side seeks confirmation bias vs. another that does the same, what is the logic of seeking an 'objective' median, anyway? Regardless of any navet, I apologize if you read this thread the past few months thinking I was attempting to post 'objective' news and analyses. Salut!
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    BS. Don't play coy. You can't post propaganda and cite it as the basis of your unbiased t"other perspective" and then turn around and claim that you never said it was objective or unbiased. If you know it's propaganda and biased, then everything you claim as "another perspective" is propaganda and biased as well. You might as well say you know it's a lie, but it's a lie you like so it's going to be the basis of your "other perspective reality."

    You can take in multiple biased sources and come to an incredible conclusion based on what you seen most believable, but that's not close to what you do. Don't even pretend it is.
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    Someone who knowingly constantly posts false information is talking about respect?
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    ABATTBQ11 said:

    BS. Don't play coy. You can't post propaganda and cite it as the basis of your unbiased t"other perspective" and then turn around and claim that you never said it was objective or unbiased. If you know it's propaganda and biased, then everything you claim as "another perspective" is propaganda and biased as well. You might as well say you know it's a lie, but it's a lie you like so it's going to be the basis of your "other perspective reality."

    You can take in multiple biased sources and come to an incredible conclusion based on what you seen most believable, but that's not close to what you do. Don't even pretend it is.
    You are angry, sorry.

    The trolling on this thread has been a bit over the top and at times I've admitted to having responded to it in weakness. That was wrong, again, admittedly. Frankly, celebrating war/deaths as though a video game has and does piss me off.

    But I don't apologize for posting a 'russian' perspective, repeatedly. I have tried not to just post propaganda without labeling it accordingly (for the literate among us anyway). There is a difference between propaganda and bias. I read the Washington post paper edition growing up daily, and had the NYT.com as my home page for 15 years to see 'the other side' of things, as a conservative.

    I distrust our media, our government, and of course our intelligence community today. I don't think I am a radical or dishonest minority among what I consider 'conservative' Americans, certainly of my generation and older. I loathe the oligarchs running Kiev and Moscow. Thank goodness we have the FBI protecting us.
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    Remember the rule for them is anything positive on Russia or even vaguely negative on Ukraine and the Great Z is definitively Russian propaganda.

    Comments related to Z's storied history as the greatest wartime leader putting Churchill to shame along with calls for "stacking Russian bodies" is simply unbiased, purely objective commentary.

    One you understand the sheepie code then you can simply excuse all their commentary.

    Those same folks fall for homegrown propaganda that continues to claim Trump is weak, corrupt and unfit for office. It's sad watching them twist themselves from one spoonfed story to another.

    Appreciate you efforts to at least show there is another side.
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    Thx, it is amusing to be likened to Putin and a pink hat wearer for…sharing information on a message board from another perspective that…is not the one someone else wants to read. Or 'unbiased' or 'objective or something, although no one can tell me of a neutral source of news coverage even that is acceptable to the definition. Because after 'Russia russia Russia' and Fauci Flu the patriotic thing to do is just trust whatever narrative the US Government-Democrats-MSM is spouting, duh.

    On to today's update. Some of our Ukrainian war experts were dismissive jet ski's could have been used in the attack on civilian infrastructure Ukraine carried out on the Kerch bridge span, I guess because this was not reported with enough fanfare about the brilliance of the green sweat-suited one's planning/operations. Meh:



    Who really knows though? Maybe it was a Remus and SAS frogmen were involved (at least in planning). The point is one of two road span's are down (with plans to at least temporarily repair it within a few weeks), and rail traffic is running on time. The attack mainly gave some positive narrative spin, killed a couple civilians, and ensured the grain deal would die, for now.

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    Also, the railway bridge that runs adjacent to the roadway is fully operational and trains are still running on schedule. The current reports state that Russia will construct a temporary roadway over the destroyed span while the final span will be lifted into place later on, some reports claiming September. However, as early as tonight they are planning to make the bridge operational to one way traffic on the intact roadway.

    Also, it should be mentioned that as of this writing Odessa is being heavily bombarded in a possible retaliatory strike, with facilities on fire:

    Though there is rumor that a much larger attack is planned within the next 72 hours as a true response, once the appropriate targets have been fully configured.

    So, what are the consequences of the second Kerch attack?

    Apart from the fact that two civilians died in the terrorist attack, with a fourteen year-old Russian girl named Angelina from the Belgorod region now orphaned after losing her parents. Russian troops are already writing her name on shells in her honor:
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    Angelina, the girl who survived the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge!
    Today, Russian artillery is taking revenge for you. And tomorrow, we won't be surprised if your name is written on our "Daggers" and "Kalibr".
    The enemy will be punished and defeated!
    The other biggest consequence is the apparent final termination of the grain deal:
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    The humanitarian corridor though the northern Black Sea has been terminated. The joint coordination center in Istanbul will be closed. Russia no longer guarantees safety of navigation in the region.
    Peskov claims it is permanent, and that the coordination task force with Turkey has even been closed on this account. Personally, I'm doubtful, but we'll see. There are always high emotions after such an event and rash decisions are made to either grandstand or give the appearance of strength, but ultimately more negotiations will likely happen down the line, the only question of how soon.
    I agree, and expect a 'new' grain deal to be most likely announced in the meeting in Ankara next month.

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    Russia wants to give the appearance of interest in grain deal talks for the sake of its allies. This puts Russia in a position of two weak moves. Either they continue talks and look doubly weak because now it shows that even large-scale terror attacks on their infrastructure have no effect on their red lines; or: they completely discard the grain deal but now take a big prestige hit with their allies like Turkey and even China which recently signaled it greatly favors the grain deal extension.

    The ultimate question though will be who stands to gain the most from the actual practical realpolitik effects of this, rather than the 'appearance' of having gained something. For instance, we know that Ukraine loses upwards of $500 million per month:
    I don't think that is true. I think most Ukrainian grain is shipped via rail anyway, and is likely unimpaired by the expiration of the grain deal on the date of the Ukrainian strike on a major bridge. In fact, most of it wound up going to Spain over the past few months, to feed pigs I have read, not to Africa etc. But anyway, we must be 'objective' I have learned:

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    For instance, this new Politico article accuses Russia of pulling out of the grain deal on monday, and incredibly doesn't mention the word bridge even once:
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    Russia on Monday pulled out of the Black Sea Grain Initiative, a U.N.-brokered accord that has made it possible for Ukraine to export tens of millions of tons of grains and oilseeds over the past year even as the war rages on.

    The deal was vital to keeping food flowing from Ukraine a major breadbasket to the wider world. But Russia, claiming that its own food and fertilizer exports were being hurt by "hidden" Western sanctions, had already effectively strangled the deal before finally killing it off.

    Hours later, the Kremlin warned that it could no longer guarantee the safety of shipping in the northwestern Black Sea.

    Note how they attempt to reframe the pull out as revolving around Russia's complaints of its own grain exports being 'hurt' by Western sanctions. It's incredible that a day after such a large terrorist attack which blew up two civilians and sent a young girl into a coma is now completely ignored with the standard yellow press lies by omission.

    Typically such articles are filled with 'contextualizing' fodder; they didn't think it even remotely contextually relevant to add in the bridge attack?

    Of course, we know that only a measly 3% of the grain actually went to Africa or 'countries in need', the lion's share gobbled up by greedy Europe. Even the above Politico article's attempt to contradict this falls flat on its face, as their "proof" lies in a URL to some claimed study which doesn't work, and leads to a log in screen. What a 'professional' outfit.
    This sounds accurate:

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    There is the possibility perhaps that Putin will now take a fully 'hard line' and refuse to renew the deal in the future under any circumstances in light of the Kerch attack. Perhaps Russia has gamed out the scenarios and with the upcoming fall and winter seasons, plans to again bring Ukraine to its knees with full-on economic-infrastructure multi-vector attacks, which will include destroying Ukraine's economy and renewed missile attacks on the power infrastructure.

    This is likely because I believe that next year will be the year we all expected 2023 to be, in terms of big Russian offensives. I don't say that in a wishful thinking manner, simply moving the goalposts of this year to next. I've already been building up a volume of theory-crafting over the course of the past few months comprised of reports about how Russia is slowly building up its offensive potential this year, in terms of the ongoing stealth mobilization, Shoigu's huge new expansions of the armed forces into two new military districts compromising one new army and one new corps. Now that we finally have good data on Ukraine's own massive losses and attrition over the course of the last few months, it's more obvious than ever that next year will be the year for Russia to truly put the pressure on to collapse the AFU, while the remainder of this year will be the continuation of the preparatory work.

    One of the reasons, by the way, which I failed to explain in my earlier exegeses on the matter, is that all these new 'stealth mobilized troops' Shoigu is putting together likely require a much longer amount of training time. The 'official mobilization' from last fall was for reservists who already had their compulsory year's worth of training. But the new volunteers, we have no real data on what they are. If some of them are just outright 'enlistments' straight off the street, these are people that would require training from scratch before they're even combat ready. A minimum of one year training would be required for such people, though they could do "basic" training in 3-5 months and then be processed to the 'rear' of some combat zone for further onsite MOS training. I assume though that many of these new 'volunteers' are reservists who weren't on the roll-call of last year's mobilization, so they would be re-trained and re-certified in 3+ months give or take.
    But Seymour Hersh seems to think it could happen next month:

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    The Russian army will easily "face" the Ukrainian forces and launch its "large-scale offensive" probably in August, Pulitzer-winning journalist Hersh (USA) said, citing his source.

    According to his interlocutor, an American "official", it will be then that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have to face the "real problem". Cluster bullets, the source said, "have no chance" to change the course of the conflict, and the White House "wrong" with its assessment of the situation, writes RIA Novosti.

    Americans can judge the unsuccessful course of the "counterattack" for Ukraine by the fact that stories from the war zone have disappeared from the front pages of major newspapers, Hersh said



    Hmm, he added:

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    Let's start with a silly fear but one that does signal the Democratic Party's growing sense of panic about the 2024 Presidential election. It was expressed to me by someone with excellent party credentials: that Trump could be the Republican nominee and will select Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as his running mate. The strange duo will then sweep to a huge victory over a stumbling Joe Biden, and also take down many of the party's House and Senate candidates.

    As for real signs of acute Democratic anxiety: Joe Biden got what he needed before the NATO summit this week by somehow turning Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan inside out and getting him to rebuff Vladimir Putin by announcing that he would support NATO membership for Sweden.

    The public story for Biden's face-saving coup was talk about agreeing to sell American F-16 fighter bombers to Turkey.

    I have been told a different, secret story about Erdogan's turnabout: Biden promised that a much-needed $11-13 billion line of credit would be extended to Turkey by the International Monetary Fund. "Biden had to have a victory and Turkey is in acute financial stress," an official with direct knowledge of the transaction told me. Turkey lost 100,000 people in the earthquake last February, and has four million buildings to rebuild. "What could be better than Erdogan"under Biden's tutelage, the official asked, "finally having seen the light and realizing he is better off with NATO and Western Europe?" Reporters were told, according to the New York Times, that Biden called Erdogan while flying to Europe on Sunday. Biden's coup, the Times reported, would enable him to say that Putin got "exactly what he did not want: an expanded, more direct NATO alliance." There was no mention of bribery.
    That would be interesting. We all know (though some won't admit) that much of this war is about American politics, which is why dissent here is so strongly resisted I guess, but a Trump-RFK Jr ticket would be…interesting.

    Much more at the link. I'd encourage readers who can handle heresy to check it out, including even the comments, though the UFA committing war crimes (executing a fleeing family) might be tough to take. Life goes on.

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    nortex97 said:






    Disgusting if true.



    Likewise.








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