Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Russia has declined a full mobilization as they are hitting their recruiting numbers relatively easily now. That's also why they have the 'luxury' of moving away from/terminating the mercenary outfits now.

Munitions, weapons, it's all in adequate supply, basically.


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Teslag said:

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Russia has declined a full mobilization as they are hitting their recruiting numbers relatively easily now. That's also why they have the 'luxury' of moving away from/terminating the mercenary outfits now.

Munitions, weapons, it's all in adequate supply, basically.


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They BETTER BE hitting those numbers. Those 100 tanks a month ain't gonna drive themselves...
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Teslag said:

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Russia has declined a full mobilization as they are hitting their recruiting numbers relatively easily now. That's also why they have the 'luxury' of moving away from/terminating the mercenary outfits now.

Munitions, weapons, it's all in adequate supply, basically.


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They BETTER BE hitting those numbers. Those 100 tanks a month ain't gonna drive themselves...
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Teslag said:

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Russia has declined a full mobilization as they are hitting their recruiting numbers relatively easily now. That's also why they have the 'luxury' of moving away from/terminating the mercenary outfits now.

Munitions, weapons, it's all in adequate supply, basically.


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**** yall laughing at, those are Greta's numbers!
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Military summary 2nd July:
-Antonovka bridgehead is not "completely" clear of AFU. The iskander probably killed lot of them, but eventually they brought more stuff (they might have lot of light dinghy's and boats). Video shown of RU supply truck hit with drone grenade
-Piyatikahtki: RU bombing the rear 33rd bde positions
-Robotino: AFU reached and captured RU first defense trenches in front of Robotino, only using infantry to attack now to save western APCs. some sort of attempt to re-capture those trenches ongoing
-AFU has made no attack attempts for now in Vremievka bridgehead, Makarovka or Novodonetsk
-AFU attack from Ugledar defeated, no further details
-Marinka: RU captured some trenches half way between fields of Marinka and Novomikhaloivka, AFU trying to counter attack and take back. This area is vital for both sides also extending to Vremievka bridgehead
-Avdeevka: AFU tried to attack Vodiane, video shown of AFU commando squad destroyed by the ATGM
-Unconfirmed report AFU may have captured a defense line SW of Klischevka, but the clash is ongoing
-AFU lost 6 tanks and 19 AFVs on this area Klischevka
-North of Bakhmut: AFU tries to attack Yahidne, but RU make disrupting attack west from Dubovo-Vasylivka slowing the AFU attack
-Serebryanka forest: little changes
-Kupyansk area: 92nd brigade of AFU has been disbanded due to depleted and remnants merged to other brigades
-RU has made a bombing attack on AFU forces moving on the railroad near Balakleya

Poland: 7500 soldiers, border guards and policemen are pulled into the Belarus border near Brest. Move to Ukraine by Poland is highly likely in the vicinity of Nato summit.






Even the NYT is noticing things aren't going so great in the mythologized 'spring' offensive this month:

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LOL.
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America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth and **** anyone that disagrees
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Teslag said:

America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth and **** anyone that disagrees


With the current, broad, mass evidence of deep state corruption, manipulated press, "pride" only allowed for certain people and "shame" hung around the neck of the folks who started the Country, I think a strong, strong argument can now be made that America is simply not the greatest nation. Perhaps you may want to travel more or read about other places.

Barrack Obama and the Dems/Libs have led us down a dark dangerous path undermining our education, values, the family unit, our safety, our security, our industries, our resources, and our competitive stance with other countries.

So I disagree with you.
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Teslag said:

America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth and **** anyone that disagrees


Yeah, they are. The problem is that you and I aren't a part of it. We live here and pay for the efforts of those in control, but we aren't Americans, we are subjects of those in power . Those in power aren't elected officials. Those who are in power are the ones who can tell the elected people to screw off and have nothing done to them. This has happened numerous times. If your government can tell your elected representative that they can't know what is going on because it would jeopardize the government, then you don't have a republic, you have a shadow government.
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Don't give up - the worldwide socialist movement allied with international corporate interests is very strong, but we are still the United States of America. Enjoy the 4th!

https://texasscorecard.com/federal/texas-congressman-proposes-american-pride-month/

Edit to add that many have forgotten just how hard the Revolution was.
Counting the loyalists gets the total killed up close to 20% of the white men in North America.
Of the 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence 5 were captured and tortured to death, 9 died due to military service, and an untold amount of their property was burned or otherwise taken.
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While earlier advising of modest gains in the east of the country, Ukraine now says it is losing territory again around Donetsk to Russian advances, with a spokesman saying "it's hot everywhere now".

An update on the progress of their push to rout the Russian invader and recapture territory some of which has been occupied by pro-Kremlin forces for nearly a decade now from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence reveals a mixed bag, with advances in the south but losses in the east.

Deputy Minister of Defense Hanna Maliar said, per Ukraine's government news service that the country was experiencing "heavy battles" achieving gradual advances in the southern military command region around Berdiansk and Melitopol. This was in the teeth of "intense enemy resistance, remote mining, redeployment of reserves", she said, but nevertheless Ukrainian forces were "unceasingly" working to push on.
A lot of money and death to lose ground in an offensive.

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As reported, the apparently slow progress of the counteroffensive so far has been a topic of discussion at the top of the Ukrainian command structure, with even President Volodymyr Zelensky admitting things were going "slower than desired", while also blaming Western preoccupation with Hollywood war movies for unrealistic expectations of how quickly things would progress.

Then last week, a top Ukrainian general moved to shift blame onto the country's NATO allies for not giving enough military equipment fast enough, saying "it pisses me off". Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine's military commander-in-chief said his forces were being outgunned by the Russians and said he needed more supplies, including F-16 fighter jets, from the West.

The latest developments dash, perhaps, the hope that Ukraine might be able to exploit a perceived weakness in the Russian army in the wake of the failed insurrection against the Putin government by the mercenary group Wagner last month. Wagner fighters were perceived to be among the most capable pro-Russian forces inside Ukraine and are now apparently out of the game as the Russian government breaks up the military company to neutralise the threat to itself, having exiled its leadership abroad.

Russia, for their part, insists losing Wagner will not impact their ability to keep fighting in Ukraine, saying they have other forces to replace the group with.
Nuclear false flag update: Ukraine is preparing for a nuclear explosion.

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Ukrainian politician Kira Rudik confessed that Ukraine was preparing for anuclear explosion in a televised interview with Sky News on Sunday.

Rudik claimed that the situation with Russian-occupying forces surrounding Europe's largest nuclear power plant in Zaporizhzhia in Ukraine "remains very dangerous."

She added that the reports from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky have led to increased anxiety regarding the situation and that Russia's refusal to permit the United Nations' nuclear watchdogs into all areas of the plant was "unprecedented."
From what I've read it's just a bald face lie that the Russians have prevented the inspectors from access to any part of the facilities. Realistically, they wish to provoke a tactical nuclear weapons deployment/escalation from Russia.

Expanding tank production update.

Ukraine has labeled Unilever a war sponsor, for failing to close operations in Russia at a speed deemed acceptable to Saint Zelensky, patron of grifters.

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"The National Agency on Corruption Prevention has added British company Unilever onto its list of 'International Sponsors of War'," a statement said.

This was owing to its "presence in the Russian Federation and its significant taxes to the Russian state budget, thereby supporting the aggressor's economy and contributing to the continuation of Russia's war against Ukraine," it added.

Unilever, whose major brands include Dove soap, Magnum ice cream and Cif surface cleaner, said it stuck to a statement it made in February, in which the company said it continued "to condemn the war in Ukraine as a brutal and senseless act by the Russian state."

It also maintained it had ceased imports and exports of its goods into and out of Russia.
At the same time, the statement said Unilever was supplying "everyday food and hygiene products made in Russia to people in the country," adding that "exiting is not straightforward."


Can't let those monks just run amok in a monastery, of course. This is all about freedom.



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"We don't have any secrets from CIA."

Yeah, we know.



"The good guys."



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fka ftc said:

I think a strong, strong argument can now be made that America is simply not the greatest nation. Perhaps you may want to travel more or read about other places.
So, I've lived in several foreign countries and visited many more ... perhaps you can share which country you think is greater and why?
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fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth and **** anyone that disagrees


With the current, broad, mass evidence of deep state corruption, manipulated press, "pride" only allowed for certain people and "shame" hung around the neck of the folks who started the Country, I think a strong, strong argument can now be made that America is simply not the greatest nation. Perhaps you may want to travel more or read about other places.

Barrack Obama and the Dems/Libs have led us down a dark dangerous path undermining our education, values, the family unit, our safety, our security, our industries, our resources, and our competitive stance with other countries.

So I disagree with you.


I'm not ready to say we are not the greatest nation...yet. I do think we are living off the lag or halo effect of our past greatness where the things you mentioned were mostly on the fringe and/or rightly ridiculed.

If we do not divert from our current path, the continued degradation of everything that made us the greatest will destroy societal pillars of which we are already seeing the cracks. I do think there is still some time to course correct despite my mostly pessimistic attitude.

Unlike the left who define arbitrary lines of no return on climate doom, I do think a more realistic claim can be made that if we do not claw back normality in this countries policies and actions then we will pass a point of no return that leads to implosion as a country.

Now, when is that point of no return? I can't make a claim of when, but Im confident it would happen before the climate doom clock counts down to zero.
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I do only speak for myself but hope that we can elect a leadership in 2024 that is not clearly involved in 8 figure+ payments from Russian/Chinese/Ukrainian oligarchs, and committed to the destruction of the fabric of American society/freedoms as the Xiden administration has clearly shown itself to be, from everything including the Ukraine war to UK chairmanship of Nato to firearm laws to judicial independence to basic economic and religious freedoms.

Defeat communism/totalitarianism/nazi's again, of all colors/stripes/flavors/fake genders/lies. Happy 4th, everyone!
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Freedom!

I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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fka ftc said:

Teslag said:

America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth and **** anyone that disagrees


With the current, broad, mass evidence of deep state corruption, manipulated press, "pride" only allowed for certain people and "shame" hung around the neck of the folks who started the Country, I think a strong, strong argument can now be made that America is simply not the greatest nation. Perhaps you may want to travel more or read about other places.

Barrack Obama and the Dems/Libs have led us down a dark dangerous path undermining our education, values, the family unit, our safety, our security, our industries, our resources, and our competitive stance with other countries.

So I disagree with you.
Having lived and travelled around the world (including not being born in the US), I can say that the US IS the greatest.

Some have good points...but, the sum of everything is much better here.
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In Ireland now, have traveled quite a bit myself and strongly considered assignments in several other countries.

Until the last year or so, I would have no holds barred said US is the greatest Country.

But the jailing and unfair treatment of Jan 6th dumbarses, a completely manipulated 2020 election, the trannie lGBTQIA pride nonsense with its particularly focus on grooming children, the corruption that is Biden, the persecution of Trump, the Twitter files, and seemingly no real commitment or call to pull back, and I don't think the argument is so clear.

Other countries are making positive decisions on moving back away from socialism and pride this and that.

There are a few European countries that with some wealth in your pocket you can set yourself and family up.

There remain many parts of the US that are indeed better than anywhere in the world. I would find it hard to believe any major city in the US and several states would be down the list of best.

So maybe by the total sum it is, but I don't think it's nearly as black and white as it was even just a few years ago.

Libs have successfully destroyed the media, entertainment, big cities, racial equality, family values and religion.

Read that again, they have indeed destroyed these institutions in much the way German destroyed London with relentless bombing in WWII.

I love the USA, wearing red white and blue with American flags all day today. I take exception to the poster I responded to who thinks we still are hands down the shining light on the hill and f everyone who does not agree with them.

It's not like that anymore. And lithium ion battery clutches are certainly not the type who will return us to greatness.
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fka ftc said:

. And lithium ion battery clutches are certainly not the type who will return us to greatness.


Call the sheriff, there's been a murder.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

fka ftc said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

fka ftc said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Would any supporters of the Ukelele like to defend this? Or will you be sitting this one out?


She probably should have gone to see Putin since he's the only reason the war is happening in the first place. Would you like to defend him bombing civilians or will you be sitting that one out?


You probably should have ignored it. Refutation? This is just pitiful. Have a great weekend buddy.


Will do. Enjoy openly cheering for a mass murderer!
You talking about cheering on Teslag? He is the one always clamoring to stack more bodies...


Nope. Referring to the dictator who started a pointless war that's resulted in the killing of tens of thousands of his own people and another few thousand Ukrainian civilians, that PlaneCrashGuy is openly cheering for for some reason.
No, I think I have it right and you seem to line up with Teslag.

Most of us want the war to end without more bloodshed, but Z is interested in photo ops with demented little puppet girls and "acting" like he is a tough guy by wearing olive green for 1.5 years.

If you guys want to cheer murdering Russians, there's a thread for that.


I would also like the war to end without more bloodshed, which Putin can do immediately by going home.
You say that, but what happens if Ukrainian gay Nazis with bio-weapons then decide to invade Russia? How does Putin look then?

Sometimes it's a good call to preemptively invade a country if you think you can easily knock it around, and it's in your unspoken interests. No one cares about the public reason (e.g. WMD) if you kick ***.

Russia's big problem is that they didn't kick Ukraine's ***, and now you ostensibly still have gay Nazis with bio-weapons running around unvanquished. Well, Russia's initial big problem any way.

Then Russian reserves were frozen after being left in Western banks post invasion to the tune of 20% of a year's GDP, the flagship Moskva was tragically lost to a smoking incident, there was a coup attempt, the third world satellite country has mounted counter-offensives of all things, and - well let's just say the special military operation has certainly been special.

However there are always other perspectives, so those could be good or bad things depending on your POV.
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Ukrainians are preparing to shell/blow up/create a nuclear/radiation problem;





False flag? 1000 percent yes.



Gross.
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Here we go again
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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It's enough to make you want to invade.
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Yes, here we go

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The most exigent matter on the table is once again the brewing Zaporozhye plant showdown. It's now believed by some that Zelensky is planning to carry out the ZNPP falseflag in the next few days on the eve of the big NATO summit in Vilnius, which is on July 12. The purpose would be to galvanize the NATO members and shape the entire policy discussion of the summit around Ukraine and the "nuclear disaster".

For such a plan to work, the ZNPP would have to be blown well in advance to give it at least a few days lead time to shape the proper narrative of 'fall out' and nuclear consequences which can be used as the catalyst to bring reluctant NATO members to heel and cement their solidarity with Ukraine, as well as ideally issue some major demarche like the fabled activation of 'Article 5' Ukraine so breathlessly dreams about.

There've been a variety of developments in this direction. Firstly, a special American nuclear-sniffing plane has arrived in Europe "just in time":
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The WC-135R Constant Phoenix special nuclear monitoring board has arrived in Europe to take atmospheric air samples and control radioactive emissions

Everything is going to the fact that the Ukronazists will still strike at the NPP in the event of a final failure of the counteroffensive. Of course, under full control and with the approval of the United States and NATO.

"Nuclear sniffer" has arrived in Europe. A special aircraft WC-135R Constant Phoenix of the US Air Force was deployed on June 30 to the Chania airbase in Crete. It is from this base that RQ-4B Global Hawk reconnaissance UAVs and RC-135W Rivet Joint aircraft fly to the Black Sea region.

WC-135R is designed to collect information about radioactive radiation and control nuclear tests. The rarest visit of a special board may be connected with the preparation of a nuclear catastrophe by Kiev at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant.


So now, back to the original question. If you've noticed, the threat articulated by Renat Karchaa with specific intelligence he had received was that Ukraine plans to hit the plant with missiles armed with radioactive waste that has previously been taken out of a different nuclear plant. The reason for this is obvious: given that I just explained how difficult it is to actually create a full blown "disaster" in the form of a 'full meltdown', this plan would then call for simply spreading detectable radiation over the plant in order to manufacture the narrative that Russia has initiated a plant meltdown/disaster.

Recall that it was my own theory weeks ago which stated that Ukraine would not need to create an actual disaster there because the media would shore up whatever narrative is required by NATO and the West. It seems my forecast was on the right track. The 'Constant Phoenix' plane simply needs to get a measurement of radiation drifting from the general vicinity and all the appropriate media campaigns and NATO agendas can be immediately activated with zero oversight.



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The Ukrainian side continues to escalate the situation around the Zaporozhye NPP.

Zelensky said that Russia allegedly has a plan to "remotely detonate" the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant after the Russians transfer control of the nuclear plant to the IAEA and Ukraine.


I note that ZNPP can return under the control of Ukraine only by military means. To do this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine need to break through the front and enter Energodar.


So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not carrying out offensive operations in the direction of Energodar, but there is more and more information about the plans of the Ukrainian army to attack the city through the shallow Kakhovka reservoir.

And as of this writing, he's released another ominous speech indicating that Russia has now mined the roof of the ZNPP with explosives:

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Zaluzhny essentially confirmed that American/NATO generals are running Ukraine's operations, as he told the WashPost that he's got General Milley on the line "24/7":
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The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Zaluzhny, complained in an interview with The Washington Post, saying that Western partners are driving them forward for meat assaults, without giving aviation and supplies:

"...Western allies expect quick successes, although they themselves would never start without air superiority - while Ukraine has not received modern fighters."


"We're on call 24/7 with US Chief of Staff Mark Milley. I can call and say, 'If I don't get 100,000 shells a week, 1,000 people will die. Get into position" "- he said.


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Must be an English translation issue but the nuclear sniffing plane can't "control" emissions.

With all of this false flag talk out there, I can't believe Russia would detonate the plant and risk even further involvement by the US.

Western Europe has publicly said they want out of this war and for it to end with negotiations. They don't want to get any more involved. Germany is in recession and France has a Muslim uprising to worry about.
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Germany just approved more tanks to Ukraine and their new budget cuts in all areas but defense, which will be their largest defense budget in history to account for Ukrainian aid.
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China and the WEF are behind the scenes as the primary actors, imho. European people are 'in charge' no more so than 'we' are of the Xiden regime lies/propaganda/'aid' packages.





We have 'some' chomping at the bit to see it all blow up into a wider conflict.

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"We know you have more weapons. Give them to us. Now."

He's such a damn brat.
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Ya he should totally just surrender his nation and quit being a brat.
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"We know you have more weapons. Give them to us. Now."

He's such a damn brat.


"Brat" vs murdering dictator responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people (if not more). Weird how you seem to have an unlimited amount of animosity towards one but forget to post anything about the other.
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I find it amusing that you/others seem to impute a duty to me to be equal in my disdain. You have a whole thread that is nonstop cheerleading for team saint zelensky the magnificent and beautiful braveheart and his benefactors of humanity Xiden/Xi, and full of nothing but vitriol toward the Russians (both leadership and grunts/cannon fodder).

Putin's a disgusting person, just as Zelensky and Xi and Biden are. Biden, fyi, has said a lot of kind things about Russians over the past 50 years (and has met every single president/premier since 1979), and his familia has been paid 7+ figures directly by Russian oligarchs. These things matter. He's senile, which some of our posters even on this thread deny, and think it's great to trust his leadership/decision making moving forward.







In short, I think those who believe we are 'doing great' to 'help good people/government of Ukraine fight the evil Russians' are just being played, and frankly I think it seems obvious to those who seek…disparate news sources.

I'll continue to just post whatever I feel is relevant/strikes me. Thx for checking.
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When does summer counter offensive turn into Fall counter offensive asking for a friend?
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"Spring offensive" was just code for the 2024 spring offensive. Duh.

We should just trust what responsible commentators/war experts at places like the ISW/BBC/CNN/NYT/British Intelligence tell us about the Good News daily.
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YouBet said:

Must be an English translation issue but the nuclear sniffing plane can't "control" emissions.

With all of this false flag talk out there, I can't believe Russia would detonate the plant and risk even further involvement by the US.

Western Europe has publicly said they want out of this war and for it to end with negotiations. They don't want to get any more involved. Germany is in recession and France has a Muslim uprising to worry about.
Pretty sure atmospheric samples can be monitored/checked for (nuclear) radiation levels though. That's what they mean by that terminology.
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