Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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nortex97 said:

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Dang, three years in he was just about to blow the biolab case wide open. I guess we'll never know now.
The guy who made this chart just had to die before Trump/RFK etc. are sworn into office.



And yes, he was due to make another report next week, and no, terrorism isn't ok (note his assistant was also killed). Most all of this is already known, just ignored and/or suppressed in our media (long thread).




Must be quite a case of the entire thing can be scrapped by taking out one guy.
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It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.
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I was wondering if anyone would get the Pepe Silvia reference. Thank you.

But the Metabiota-Biden stuff is all true.
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nortex97 said:

It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.


I remember when Ukraine forced Putin to escalate by simply existing as a sovereign neighbor.
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And I'm still baffled that it's almost 2025 and people are still latching on to the long discredited biolabs lunacy. They might as well just trot Scott Ritter out at this point (hell, we already had a Jeffery Sachs reference today).
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It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.


"Measured" like choosing to start a war that's killed hundreds of thousands of your own people because you wanted more land?
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nortex97 said:

It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.
Ah yes...

How measured he's been.

By invading a sovereign country and killing thousands of people.

We're lucky he's not an *******.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

nortex97 said:

It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.


"Measured" like choosing to start a war that's killed hundreds of thousands of your own people because you wanted more land?
The argument that this is over 'more land' has never made sense to me. Why would a Russian oligarch want to 'start a war' over an ambition to gain more territorial land mass? Russia is one of the largest countries on earth and is not short of space for people to live.

I don't mean this as a troll, or to ask a pedantic question, I am genuinely curious, why did he wait to launch this 'unprovoked land grab' until 2022 in your opinion, after being the russian president over 20 years? Do you see any culpability as to the 'other side' of the discussion/war?
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Teslag said:

No one posting on a college football fan forum is helping or hurting anyone on this war.





I'm glad you agree. You used to tell Nortex he was aiding the Russians.
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Birdwatcher said:

Glory to Ukraine! We must defeat Putin at all costs


You tell em buddy!
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

No one posting on a college football fan forum is helping or hurting anyone on this war.





I'm glad you agree. You used to tell Nortex he was aiding the Russians.


False
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nortex97 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

nortex97 said:

It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.


"Measured" like choosing to start a war that's killed hundreds of thousands of your own people because you wanted more land?
The argument that this is over 'more land' has never made sense to me. Why would a Russian oligarch want to 'start a war' over an ambition to gain more territorial land mass? Russia is one of the largest countries on earth and is not short of space for people to live.

I don't mean this as a troll, or to ask a pedantic question, I am genuinely curious, why did he wait to launch this 'unprovoked land grab' until 2022 in your opinion, after being the russian president over 20 years? Do you see any culpability as to the 'other side' of the discussion/war?


He didn't. He took the first bite of the apple in 2014. He then regrouped and built his forces and also. Then a powerful American president stood in his way. Once a weak Biden took office it eas game on.

Unfortunately for him, Ukrainians really didn't feel like being Russians.

And no culpability for anyone else in a pure land grab. That's why we make the rape comparisonsz. A woman is neve responsible for her own rape.
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nortex97 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

nortex97 said:

It's just total desperation, imho. Doing everything possible to get Putin to escalate in kind. Hopefully he is measured in his response, yet again.


"Measured" like choosing to start a war that's killed hundreds of thousands of your own people because you wanted more land?
The argument that this is over 'more land' has never made sense to me. Why would a Russian oligarch want to 'start a war' over an ambition to gain more territorial land mass? Russia is one of the largest countries on earth and is not short of space for people to live.

I don't mean this as a troll, or to ask a pedantic question, I am genuinely curious, why did he wait to launch this 'unprovoked land grab' until 2022 in your opinion, after being the russian president over 20 years? Do you see any culpability as to the 'other side' of the discussion/war?


The Siberian tundra isn't a great place to live or grow food. There's a reason why the Soviets built gulags east of the Urals.

Ukraine was/is the breadbasket of Europe. It's why Hitler wanted it as well. Just not the people.
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Also, the warm water ports of the Black Sea and the naval ship building capacity the soviets left behind.
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The Siberian tundra isn't a great place to live or grow food. There's a reason why the Soviets built gulags east of the Urals.

Ukraine was/is the breadbasket of Europe. It's why Hitler wanted it as well. Just not the people.
Hitler needed a lot of things. The Russians aren't really in need of 'liebensraum' as they face their own long term demographic collapse though. The oil/gas of the Donbas/donetsk peoples republic really isn't something the Russian oligarchs of today will profit much from. That will take decades. The steady and then rapid provocations that as Biden said meant Putin 'had to do something' in 2022 with respect to 'Ukraine' clearly were intended to get him to launch some sort of military operation/war. Of course they weren't going to give up Sevastopol/Crimea though.
Scott Horton has been on something of a podcast blitz of late regarding his book 'Provoked' which documents much of this in detail.

The very notion that Putin waited for 20+ years to invade Ukraine as a land grab is simply illogical, and only folks like Piers Morgan stubbornly cling to it.


While said russian oligarchs have profited immensely from the war, the hope is that trade is going to be a tool which will help bring it to a swift end now.

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Another 'man in the room' as to the US/UK's culpability in refusing to end the war early;

GG seems to be back on the coke:

I saw a partial clip of this nazi in Ukraine fantasizing about 'winning' a nuclear war with Russia yesterday:

A Russian beach-head north of Kupyansk has been stabilized/expanded, increasing the likelihood of encirclement of the city, and other encirclements/advances:


Preston Stewart, a Ukraine war fan-boy on X, had this comment:
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Honestly I think an IED attack in Moscow was a bad move by Ukraine if they end up being found responsible.

That one general isn't going to change the course of the war but the fallout from this might. We associate IEDs with terror organizations and that's going to be the leading story as an incoming administration decides how to proceed on support (or lack of support) for Ukraine going forward.

I'll happily be proven wrong in the coming weeks but I really don't think the optics of this will be beneficial to Ukraine outside of their already supportive base.
About right. Forever war, comrades!
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nortex97 said:


I saw a partial clip of this nazi in Ukraine fantasizing about 'winning' a nuclear war with Russia yesterday:


About right. Forever war, comrades!
Awesome!

Bringing back the Nazis!

Can't forget about them.
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It's really cool that Russia's cruise missiles can discern between nazis and ordinary citizens when they slam into residential areas.

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nortex97 said:

Another 'man in the room' as to the US/UK's culpability in refusing to end the war early;

GG seems to be back on the coke:

I saw a partial clip of this nazi in Ukraine fantasizing about 'winning' a nuclear war with Russia yesterday:

A Russian beach-head north of Kupyansk has been stabilized/expanded, increasing the likelihood of encirclement of the city, and other encirclements/advances:


Preston Stewart, a Ukraine war fan-boy on X, had this comment:
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Honestly I think an IED attack in Moscow was a bad move by Ukraine if they end up being found responsible.

That one general isn't going to change the course of the war but the fallout from this might. We associate IEDs with terror organizations and that's going to be the leading story as an incoming administration decides how to proceed on support (or lack of support) for Ukraine going forward.

I'll happily be proven wrong in the coming weeks but I really don't think the optics of this will be beneficial to Ukraine outside of their already supportive base.
About right. Forever war, comrades!


Or, Putin could just order his military to stop and return home.

The only reason any of this is happening is because of Putin. Full. Stop.

It can all end, without any worry about negotiations, if you just ends his invasion and tells his military to go back to Russia.

It really is the simple.

His American sycophants know this, but they worship Putin so much that they'll support every death he causes because of their love for him.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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And also "The US needs to negotiate peace with Russia and leave Ukraine out of the discussions"...



Brought to you by the same people saying the US needs to stop getting involved.
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He's unquestionably a nazi, having founded C14, or sich, and his thugs do things like beat up UFA veterans who don't praise him. They do tons of not-real-subtle things like celebrate Hitler's birthday.

The 'Good guys.' Long time friends with pro-war folks like that vermin McCain.

It will be interesting to see if Fico makes any progress on the green goblin's vow to cut off gas transit after this month.
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Gerasimov statements today:
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Gerasimov: Russian Armed Forces fulfilled all tasks in 2024
  • The Russian Armed Forces fulfilled all the tasks set by the country's leadership in 2024, said Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
  • He added that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost about 1 million people since the start of the special operation, including those killed and wounded, as well as about 20 thousand tanks and armored vehicles.
  • The Ukrainian armed forces have lost more than 42,000 people, more than 1,800 tanks and armored vehicles in the Kursk border region, Gerasimov said



Sounds like another Oreshnik strike is in the works, in response to the assassination escalation.
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Sounds like another Oreshnik strike is in the works, in response to the assassination escalation.

Which all goes back to he original escalation of invading a sovereign nation unprovoked.
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Sounds like another Oreshnik strike is in the works, in response to the assassination escalation.

Which all goes back to he original escalation of invading a sovereign nation unprovoked.
Those two countries have been going at it since the 15th century. And I imagine they will continue to go to war with each other, long after we are dead and gone. I do not care who wins or who loses or how many dead there are.

STOP WASTING TAX DOLLARS ON THOSE F******.

Billions wasted and for what? Money that could have been used here to help Americans.

And don't give me some self-righteous answer. Spare me your, *at lest they are killing Russians*.

Russia hasn't done anything to me, Don't care about them, don't care about Ukraine.

Let those two countries work it out. Or tell Europe to grow a spine and they deal with it.

ENOUGH WITH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS GOING OVER THERE.
Rules.... Without them, we live with the animals.

This is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules.
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How much actual cash do you think we've given them?
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Teslag said:

It's really cool that Russia's cruise missiles can discern between nazis and ordinary citizens when they slam into residential areas.


We can only assume that they hit non-nazi areas due to malfunctions.

Apparently, their **** malfunctions A LOT!
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I eagerly await the next high level Russian whacking. At least war will hit home to some of their elite families.
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But 'the war has made Russia's army/economy weaker and they are out of men.'




His annual presentation/'direct line' call in performance, hints at Oreshnik strike on Kiev while challenging west to intercept. I would not be surprised if they try to go after the presidential palace.




Day by day, Russian control expands. 4 storm shadows were shot down. Nothing to get real excited about.
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As California and Wisconsin declare bird flu emergencies.




Putin hints at peace once the warmonger party is removed from the executive branch:

Crenshaw war-proponent tears are delicious;
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docb said:

I eagerly await the next high level Russian whacking. At least war will hit home to some of their elite families.


Weird post
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

docb said:

I eagerly await the next high level Russian whacking. At least war will hit home to some of their elite families.


Weird post

Uh….compared to most of yours and a few others on here? Lol. I guess in your mind that would seem weird.
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docb said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

docb said:

I eagerly await the next high level Russian whacking. At least war will hit home to some of their elite families.


Weird post

Uh….compared to most of yours and a few others on here? Lol. I guess in your mind that would seem weird.


You're admitting to watching the war full of hope like your side is your sports team. Of course you're weird.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

docb said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

docb said:

I eagerly await the next high level Russian whacking. At least war will hit home to some of their elite families.


Weird post

Uh….compared to most of yours and a few others on here? Lol. I guess in your mind that would seem weird.


You're admitting to watching the war full of hope like your side is your sports team. Of course you're weird.

Like I said, I guess that would be weird to a weirdo.
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docb said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

docb said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

docb said:

I eagerly await the next high level Russian whacking. At least war will hit home to some of their elite families.


Weird post

Uh….compared to most of yours and a few others on here? Lol. I guess in your mind that would seem weird.


You're admitting to watching the war full of hope like your side is your sports team. Of course you're weird.

Like I said, I guess that would be weird to a weirdo.


It's objectively weird to watch war the same way you watch sports. Get some help
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