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As far as insurnace is concerned, I have no weapons and my dogs are "mixed breeds". They can f- right off.

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May want to get more coverage for theft with statements like that

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I have no idea what that even means but ok. My point is people need to be a lot more tight lipped with insurance and doctors. Just stfu and be cool, don't tell your Gd insurance company you have a pit…not full…not part….nothing. You have a mixed Breed. WTH is wrong with people.

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If I were an insurance company I would ask for test on the dog for the attacking breed.

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BrazosDog02 said:

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astros4545 said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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As far as insurnace is concerned, I have no weapons and my dogs are "mixed breeds". They can f- right off.

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May want to get more coverage for theft with statements like that

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I have no idea what that even means but ok. My point is people need to be a lot more tight lipped with insurance and doctors. Just stfu and be cool, don't tell your Gd insurance company you have a pit…not full…not part….nothing. You have a mixed Breed. WTH is wrong with people.

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Not an issue until you file the claim, they point out your violation of the terms of the policy……and you wind up losing everything except what is protected by the Texas Homestead Act. Then, you get to file personal bankruptcy in order to get rid of the judgment and not lose what you might get in the future. Of course, if you don't have a pot to pee in or don't plan to have anything in the future….then you can't lose what you don't have.

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Seeing pit guy advocate for a little insurance fraud is probably the least surprising thing I'll see today.

Technically they were American Staffordshire Terriers, but don't let a technical truth get in the way.

American Staffordshire Terriers to be put down, owner arrested after fatal attack on elderly man

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I have already agreed that irresponsible dog owners should be treated like irresponsible gun owners.

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This is Texas.
We have Lillian's Law created in 2007.

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Lillian's Law - Texas State Dangerous Dog Law Link

Austin, TX - Lillian's Law (HB 1355) is the new Texas State dangerous dog law. Under the law, the owner of a loose dog that causes injury or death can be prosecuted if the owner is found to be "criminally negligent" in failing to prevent the dog from escaping. The third-degree felony charge can bring a sentence of 2 to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. If the victim dies, a dog owner can be charged with a second-degree felony, bringing up to 20 years in prison.

Lillian's Law stems from the brutal attack of 76-year old Lillian Stiles, who was killed by a pack of loose pit bull-rottweiler mixes while mowing her front lawn. Lillian's family was shocked to learn after her death that Texas laws do not, in most cases, hold the dog owner responsible for injuries caused by their dogs even when death results. Lillian's family formed a group, Texas Families Against Dangerous Dogs, and succeeded in helping the new legislation get passed.

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All dog pets, no matter how kind and well trained, still have breed instincts.
All dogs were bred to do something.
Given the right stimulus, ANY dog may revert from their "pet ways" and turn-on their "breed instincts".

When a beagle reverts - they follow a scent, bark a lot, and stop listening to commands.
When an cattle dog reverts - they start nipping the trash can wheels and try to herd your kids.
When a golden retriever reverts - they retrieve your shoe
When a pit bull reverts ...

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Any dog with teeth has the capability to kill or maim a human. As a vet I've encountered thousands of dogs in 11 years as a vet, and another 10 as a tech prior. Also worked at a breeding clinic that did a lot of bully breeds. 99% are fine. I've been lunged at by chihuahuas, labs, one golden (who later bit the child in the family after I warned them a growling Golden was a ticking time bomb), bull terrier (who was wearing a service dog vest for a guy in a wheelchair so thought it was legit), rotties, heelers, tons of German shepherds…. GSDs and rotties/chows are probably the worst. I've seen a lot of dog aggressive pits but not many people aggressive ones. Several mean Springers, English bulldogs and frenchies too.
Edited to mention Cane corsos - awful dogs, never met a nice one and the owners are always somebody who shouldn't own a dog. They got them cause they look scary.

That all being said, any dog can turn anytime. Some are more prone to it than others, but regulating breeds by banning them is just more government overreach. Same as banning certain kinds of guns. More home insurance required on certain breeds? Sure. People learning to read animals better would probably reduce the number of bites each year. And any dog that bites without a really worthy cause is cause for consideration to put them down. We put down one of our own dogs after she growled at our kids (after a lengthy history of dog aggressiveness and fights even on meds). She was a mutt from the shelter. It can happen to anyone. Some dogs just aren't right in the head, same as people.

Banning pits isn't the answer. More educated and responsible dog owners is. However with the way society is trending, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Dude, you say that you can't ban breeds because of big government and then recommend forced insurance which is just a different flavor of big government. Then you compare dogs ownership to guns ownership, which legally speaking is ridiculous.

Could the federal government ban dogs? Questionable (although I'm sure they'd find a way in this day and age). Can state and local governments? Absolutely. You have absolutely no right to own a pit bull, and the stats show that they are OVERWHELMINGLY responsible for violent attacks on humans. No other breed is even close. We have restrictions that prevent the ownership of tons of animals. Do you think those restrictions are unconstitutional?

Can there be bad dogs of any breed? Sure. And we handle those dogs by putting them down when necessary. Owning a pit bull is like owning a gun the spontaneously fires itself at random targets every once in a while, and the pit bull doesn't have any constitutional protections like the gun does.

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Have any of you that adopted rescue 'pit mixes' done the genetic testing? I've seen some people get the testing done where the results come back with zero pit in them.

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I think the opposite happens more, ours came back 50%, stafford terrier (pit Bull isn't a breed ya idiots, 0% will comeback saying pit Bull specifically). We knew he had some with his chest and smile, but weren't expecting that much.

Tons of rescue places hide it, turn a blind eye to it to make more dogs adoptable. Also why it's impossible to just kill them all

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Yes, pits are genetically dangerous animals. But the problems arise from their ignorant owners.

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Anyone who would own a dog bred to fight and die in pits around kids must do some mental gymnastics to justify the decision, and here it is writ large

Timely post for us. Daily neighborhood walk yesterday but down a street we don't usually walk. We were walking in the middle of the road - not close to the house or yard. A giant female pit charged toward us barking like crazy, teeth showing, etc. Very, very aggressive - really crazed. We couldn't go forward and as we backed up, it pushed forward. The house it came from had a window open (nice day here) and there was another one in the house going crazy. No one from the house ever came outside that we saw.

We called 911 for police but our animal control does not work weekends.... we plan to follow up today with at least a report.

Mr. Schwack was armed and had his hand on his gun the whole time, so we were prepared - I guess - but a child would not have been.

I will never own an animal that is capable of killing me or my children and I don't understand people who do.

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I will never own an animal that is capable of killing me or my children and I don't understand people who do.

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Would you own a Labrador? Would you own a horse? Cattle? Do you understand people who do?

Not trying to be pedantic and I think I know what you mean, but plenty of animals can kill you. The focus should be on not owning animals solely bred to kill things unless you want them to kill things.

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Yellerjacket said:

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I will never own an animal that is capable of killing me or my children and I don't understand people who do.

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Would you own a Labrador? Would you own a horse? Cattle? Do you understand people who do?

Not trying to be pedantic and I think I know what you mean, but plenty of animals can kill you. The focus should be on not owning animals solely bred to kill things unless you want them to kill things.

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I should have said "pets" instead of "animals". No, I wouldn't own a Lab or any other large dog. My two dogs now are a Yorkie and Pomeranian. My kids can just kick the crap out of them if they get stupid.

College student who was disfigured in vicious attack by dogs reveals her face (nypost.com)

Similar attack in Coppell Texas.

Woman survived.

Be warned about the link

In before, "I lost all my pits in a boating accident."

fixer said:

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College student who was disfigured in vicious attack by dogs reveals her face (nypost.com)

Similar attack in Coppell Texas.

Woman survived.

Be warned about the link

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First responders took 30 minutes from arrival to rescue. Someone help me understand this. I get assessing the situation to make sure you know your surroundings, but after 5 minutes of making sure you know where the victim is why not lure the dogs to a good backstop and then shoot them?

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College student who was disfigured in vicious attack by dogs reveals her face (nypost.com)

Similar attack in Coppell Texas.

Woman survived.

Be warned about the link

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Another bad owner. Otherwise the dogs are harmless. Owner basically pulled the trigger. Or maybe the dogs thought it was an intruder and did what they were bred to do. We'll never know. I'm sure the owners had some really cute pics of their pit with their infant children all snuggled up as well. I wonder how many Facebook post we can find from the owner gushing over their sweet babies.

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College student who was disfigured in vicious attack by dogs reveals her face (nypost.com)

Similar attack in Coppell Texas.

Woman survived.

Be warned about the link

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First responders took 30 minutes from arrival to rescue. Someone help me understand this. I get assessing the situation to make sure you know your surroundings, but after 5 minutes of making sure you know where the victim is why not lure the dogs to a good backstop and then shoot them?

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That thought went through my head in the video in the OP handling those dogs with kid gloves.

We've come to the point where LEOs are WAY more concerned about getting sued, (in this case probably by PETA), than doing what needs to be done. When you come to a scene where you have a rabid dog/dogs that have blood and sinew all over their faces SHOOT THEM IMMEDIATELY.

90% of the dogs owned by my low-income neighbors are breeds that have been mentioned here as too violent to exist. What makes these vicious breeds so appealing to low-income groups?

In addition, these people do not have adequate housing/fencing for their breeds. The dogs are kept in small trailer houses and as soon as the front door is opened, they sprint out and run onto my property.

I don't like outright banning of anything in this country - including genocide of a single dog breed. BUT, there needs to be sufficient laws in place to penalize owners of dogs for their bad behavior (and it sounds like there is in Texas). The owners are responsible, and they must be held accountable.

There should also be legal protection to defend yourself from stray dogs (including shooting and killing them) - not sure of the current status of Texas laws on this.

Genetics will show themselves and the consequences can be deadly. Not worth the risk for most people.

My vet buddy says the two "most likely to bite breeds" are German Shepards and Dalmatians. He requires GS' to be muzzled before coming into the clinic. One of his vet school buddy's will not see german shepard's at all due to their psychotic nature!

..... and after seeing 1st hand what the pit mix breeds do to wild hogs.... It's vicious and horrific. You can hear the bones snap when they bite down on a small one! They will keep fighting with their guts hanging out from a timely slash of midsize boar. Apex predator, not a pet, NO THANKS!!

Mine is American Pit/German Shepherd/Great Pyrenees. Extremely playful and very obedient. He's 42lbs at 5 months old now, and we are expecting him to be 70-80 lbs full grown

My other is Corgi/Dachshund mix that is far more "aggressive" and even then he's still very loyal, loving, and obedient.

We've invested a lot of time and money in making sure these dogs are socialized and highly trained.

Pro Tip: When attacked you gotta give them something to bite. This would be your non dominant forearm. Use the free arm to inflict damage. Good luck.

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90% of the dogs owned by my low-income neighbors are breeds that have been mentioned here as too violent to exist. What makes these vicious breeds so appealing to low-income groups?

In addition, these people do not have adequate housing/fencing for their breeds. The dogs are kept in small trailer houses and as soon as the front door is opened, they sprint out and run onto my property.

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This is just an observation, but it may be due to what dogs are available at the pound, and what the pound tells them.

I got my pit mix from the pound. I'd say that the vast majority of the dogs at the pound have some pit in them. But the pound told us she was a "lab-pei" (a mix between a shar-pei and a lab). So, the pound wasn't fully truthful, and there were almost no non-pit mixes that were available.

My brother has 3 pure bred labs. The cheapest of his dogs cost $2500. He can afford them. And that's what he wants, so good for him. But poor people probably don't have that kind of money to spend on a puppy.

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Timely post for us. Daily neighborhood walk yesterday but down a street we don't usually walk. We were walking in the middle of the road - not close to the house or yard. A giant female pit charged toward us barking like crazy, teeth showing, etc. Very, very aggressive - really crazed. We couldn't go forward and as we backed up, it pushed forward. The house it came from had a window open (nice day here) and there was another one in the house going crazy. No one from the house ever came outside that we saw.

We called 911 for police but our animal control does not work weekends.... we plan to follow up today with at least a report.

Mr. Schwack was armed and had his hand on his gun the whole time, so we were prepared - I guess - but a child would not have been.

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Once called animal control on an aggressive stray pit and was (eventually) told by recording that my neighborhood's week of service was still two weeks away. OK thanks. But that wasn't what angered me. What angered me was when they called back a month later wanting to know if my situation had resolved to my satisfaction. I had already forgot about calling them in the first place

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AgBandsman said:

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90% of the dogs owned by my low-income neighbors are breeds that have been mentioned here as too violent to exist. What makes these vicious breeds so appealing to low-income groups?

In addition, these people do not have adequate housing/fencing for their breeds. The dogs are kept in small trailer houses and as soon as the front door is opened, they sprint out and run onto my property.

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This is just an observation, but it may be due to what dogs are available at the pound, and what the pound tells them.

I got my pit mix from the pound. I'd say that the vast majority of the dogs at the pound have some pit in them. But the pound told us she was a "lab-pei" (a mix between a shar-pei and a lab). So, the pound wasn't fully truthful, and there were almost no non-pit mixes that were available.

My brother has 3 pure bred labs. The cheapest of his dogs cost $2500. He can afford them. And that's what he wants, so good for him. But poor people probably don't have that kind of money to spend on a puppy.

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Or….. it's much more likely that low income people make poor life decisions. Owning a pit is a poor life decision.

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Or….. it's much more likely that low income people make poor life decisions. Owning a pit is a poor life decision.

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Since most have prior felonies, they get these dogs because they cannot legally own guns anymore.
These dogs are a cheap weapon.

Fifteen+ years ago two people who owned a couple of pit bulls were tried for manslaughter when their dogs killed a kid. This was in Young County.

They both went to prison for 7 years. I am pretty sure their dogs had attacked a person before therefore their "one free bite" had already been used.

This was posted *in favor* of the breed pic.twitter.com/6JQK39Hmon

— Kiwi Bear (@WojteksGrandson) February 27, 2023

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I have a pit mix. She's a good good girl.

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I never take these posts or comments seriously anymore and just assume the person is a naive idiot. The amount of stories of pits turning on owners are immense.

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Yup. Sister had a 3 legged traditional style pit (jumped out of the truck like an idiot) for like four years. Raised with the dog it attacked since puppies. BIL bent down to pet dog it attacked and it damn near killed it. Was never able to go back in the same fence. Was put down. Sister questioned what if you'd bent down to pick up our daughter. Scary stuff. Family dog. Very loving home. Will never trust the breed after how I saw the other dog laid open.

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Called this morning & they called back. As expected, they can't do anything unless they SEE it but have already driven by today & will put the house on their "rotation" to see if they catch it out again. Husband is also going to start driving that route & will call if the dog is out.

Honestly, if we had been a kid on a bike or walking/playing, I have no doubt that dog would have attacked. It was way too agitated and out of control. We were calm (ish) and just kept slowly backing up as it kept advancing - I think if we'd panicked, broken eye contact or turned around it would have lunged. And been shot, but why is that on us?!?

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Yes, pits are genetically dangerous animals. But the problems arise from their ignorant owners.

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Anyone who would own a dog bred to fight and die in pits around kids must do some mental gymnastics to justify the decision, and here it is writ large

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Anyone who would make this post doesn't understand the psychology of dogs and is making an ignorant, blanket statement.

Are some pits bad and untrainable? Sure.

The same goes for other breeds.

Is there a higher percentage of pits that violently attack? Sure.

Most of that is because there are so many bad owners. Not just pit owners, but owners of ALL breeds.

I looked a statistic up on Wikipedia and it states that, while pits only make up 6% of the dog population, pits account for just over 50% of the ER visits due to attacks on humans.

There is an eerily similar statistic with regards to another segment of a species and violent crime.

I don't believe this segment of the population is inherently evil or out of control. Instead, I firmly believe they are not brought up/trained properly.

The answer is to fix the underlying issue, not eradicate this segment of the population from existence, whether it be dogs or any other species.

I really am a hypocrite in the sense that I have always been very leery and thought poorly of pits, well until I ended up with one. And before I did I really thought long and hard about it as I had other dogs, a younger child, and was just really torn about it. But I ended up keeping her and I am better for it.

The one thing in all of this is that I wonder why it has only been in the last 15-20 years that the Pitbull like breeds have become the scrounge of US dogs? The "nanny dog" reference earlier in the thread is valid. Pits were loved and appreciated, look no further than "Petey". Pits served with the armed forces in WWI. They were very popular. But during that time frame there was not the clamoring regarding the blood thirsty evilness that exists today. Why? If the dogs are so terrible why wasn't it common knowledge back then?

I mean 60, 70, 80-100+ years ago rumors, panics, and general hysteria spread like wildfire and events and rumors were embellished and exaggerated big time. Did Pits just become killers? Did they eat all the kids they killed and nobody noticed? Why the change?

I believe that in times past, be they Pits or not, people didn't tolerate mean animals. I also believe macho wanna be bad ass breeding took off a rampant pace. And crappy people back then were probably not in a position to own animals. This is the biggest difference in my opinion. If crappy people owned any other tough breed in propensity then that breed might be the one reviled.

My great grandmother, a very educated woman who was a 3 time published author and has a historical marker to her credit, was absolutely off the rails scared of and hated German Shepard's. Apparently around the turn of the century some relative was torn up by one and the wound became infected and he/she died (I don't know the full story). But I remember she hated them and my grandmother and great aunts talked about it. She wouldn't go visit my oldest cousin because her husband had one and it was a family fiasco. Was she BSC in taking that stance? In that regard I kinda think so.