Pit bulls should be banned and the entire breed put down

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In reply to chickencoupe16 • 10:15a, 2/26/23
chickencoupe16 said:
So you want to apply the same propensity for being a nanny 123-223 years later with much of that time being used to selectively breed them for fighting ability and desire. So roughly 30-60 generations later?

Thanks for asking instead of assuming. The answer is no, Im not applying a term used back then to modern culture today. But we both agree culture has changed a lot, I think waaaaay more than the instincts of a dog breed. That's prob were most of the disagreement lies.

But I will let my last post speak for itself. Irradiate pitbulls, then you think bad dog owners are going to stop buying powerful dog breeds? If the answer is no, we will continue to have a dog attack problem.

I actually wouldn't care if pitbulls were exterminated tmrw personally. My point would be proven within a decade. Another breed would become the prominent baby killer in the news and on threads like this.
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 10:21a, 2/26/23
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Hungry Ojos said:
1LoveAg said:
It's the 'culture' not the breed. Lot of ignorance on display in this thread.



Wow.

I'm not going to post what I really think about this pic, or the situation in general. Just going to blanketly say, I can't understand how anyone who truly loves their children, would EVER let them anywhere near a pit bull. Completely negligent and irresponsible. It's only a matter of time…


I wonder if these people would let their child play with a loaded gun too.

Most gun owners keep children away from loaded guns and some states have laws requiring gun safes if children are in the home. They should have similar restrictions in on pit bulls.

I was bitten by my friends pit bull mix as a kid when I was over his house. It was a great dog like all pit bull owners delude themselves into believing until it bit me.

I hate pit bulls with a passion, you cannot trust them the same way you can trust other dog breeds like labs. It's obvious to any sensible person.

I judge pit owners harshly. Pit bull ownership is extremely selfish with disregard for the safety of others. Pit bull owners do not care about their psycho dog hurting anyone, they want a tough dog to protect them. They want a dog that can hurt people for that reason.

Pit bull ownership only makes since in dangerous neighborhoods and maybe for single females as guardians. They are not for the suburbs and they cannot be trusted as family dogs.

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10:22a, 2/26/23
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If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.
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10:23a, 2/26/23
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I may have missed it, but, I wonder why Rocky has not posted his opinion. He is the only argument I would listen to.
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In reply to D-Fens • 10:25a, 2/26/23
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D-Fens said:
Hoyt Ag said:
I'm aware of them being used. But I also think they should be exterminated after seeing first hand damage caused by them to a child and the parent rescuing the child.


I respect that, but i just dont think it will fix the problem. I think another breed that attracts worthless owners will become the new pitbull. Maybe the only thing you solve for is the brutality of attack, which I will partially concede on....but Rotts and Germ Shephards can tear up a child pretty good too. So it just depend on which dog breed makes the next hip hop album cover after you eradicate pits.


Keep banning the replacement breeds. How is it good for society to let dangerous animals roam freely in public? They present a danger and should be restricted in public spaces. That goes for dangerous humans too.
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In reply to Squadron7 • 10:29a, 2/26/23
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You can have my pit bull when you pry it from my cold, dead face.


That after it causes you to have a cold, dead face?
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 10:32a, 2/26/23
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Ol_Ag_02 said:
If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.


Yeah as a Dad I would never visit any family member or friend that has a pit.

Nope nope nope.
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10:35a, 2/26/23
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I definitely have a new appreciation for this, and am much more inclined toward some sort of legal liability for owners.

We just surrendered our 2 yo jack russell, after she bit my 11 yo daughter on the cheek (and started to tug before I jumped in and stopped her). Daughter was just trying to pet her/snuggle with her, behavior the dog had been fine with 100 times before. I mean, 100% completely unprovoked - and no snarl, growl, baring her teeth, no warning whatsoever. Daughter knows those signs and how to back off. Thankfully, it was too mad of a bite, but she clearly had to go after that. We had that dog since she was a puppy. Kids were devastated. In the last few months, that dog trended to pretty unpredictable. Playful and sweet to aggressive on a dime.

If a JRT has the ability to turn like that… I can picture any reason to justify ownership of even more aggressive breeds.

I respect legal freedom, but I also think there should be an owner liability element.

Even legal risks aside, that's a big part of the reason for our zero tolerance policy. The kids were a mess over it, but I can't imagine what I would've done to that dog if it'd been someone else's kid in the moment, or one of my younger kids… (my daughter managed to stay calm and diffused the situation relatively quickly).

"She's the sweetest dog" is a lame excuse and justification. It may seem harsh, but It's an animal, and its innate instincts aren't that deeply buried. If it shows any real aggression towards people, it needs to be put in its place - even if that place is the ground.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 10:37a, 2/26/23
Ol_Ag_02 said:
If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.


Is this a decision based on odds of being attacked or just out of muh principles? Do you stay on the beach because of fear of sharks?
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10:38a, 2/26/23
I've yet to meet a delivery person, ER doc, ER nurse, PD, Fire, Sheriff, or even parole officer that didn't have a decisively negative opinion of pit bulls.

That linked video is shockingly awful.

1) no one is doing anything until Fire shows up
2) The facking dog took a full power strike in the head with an axe by a fireman and kept coming.

I've broken up fights, or at least attempted to, between a loose pit and a random neighbor dog on three occasions.

People don't realize how insane these dogs get. They don't feel pain. You have to mechanically defeat the animal.

Chainsaws, buckshot, or a rifle caliber in at least .30.
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In reply to D-Fens • 10:40a, 2/26/23
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D-Fens said:
TRADUCTOR said:

"nanny dog" lololol, you need to quit reading that tumblr crap.

I never claimed the dog was bred to be a nanny, but the Staffordshire Terrier did aquire the nickname "nanny dog" in the 18/19th centuries. It's not really an opinion, more of a historical fact. I'm sorry if that is offensive.


Delusional propaganda from pit bull****ters.
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10:44a, 2/26/23
now I see why this topic is in the politics forum.

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10:45a, 2/26/23
My Lab started having seizures and a host of old age related problems. I put her down 1 because it was past time and 2 because she was a liability/ ticking time bomb for my family. I'm not having a dog around my wife and child that has a screw loose.
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In reply to Get Off My Lawn • 10:47a, 2/26/23
Get Off My Lawn said:
Q: why'd you buy a Shepard?
A: I needed an animal with herding instinct

Q: why'd did you buy a husky?
A: I needed a sled dog who would run forever

Q: why did you buy a bloodhound?
A: I needed a tracking dog

Q: why'd you buy a pit bull?
A: …it's about the individual, not the breed!


Exactly.
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In reply to Martin Cash • 10:49a, 2/26/23
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Martin Cash said:
RDV-1992 said:
I have a pit mix. She's a good good girl.
So far.


Or like 99.9% of pit bulls, probably forever will be.

These stories read like covid horror stories. The 0.01%. Awful, yes, but it always amazes me how this board chalks up 99.7% survival for covid as no big deal, but then a 99.9% survival for pit bulls means ban the entire breed!!!!

And fwiw, I don't own a pit and likely never will. Just saying. It's all about percentages as is with anything in life
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In reply to fixer • 10:51a, 2/26/23
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I've yet to meet a delivery person, ER doc, ER nurse, PD, Fire, Sheriff, or even parole officer that didn't have a decisively negative opinion of pit bulls.

That linked video is shockingly awful.

1) no one is doing anything until Fire shows up
2) The facking dog took a full power strike in the head with an axe by a fireman and kept coming.

I've broken up fights, or at least attempted to, between a loose pit and a random neighbor dog on three occasions.

People don't realize how insane these dogs get. They don't feel pain. You have to mechanically defeat the animal.

Chainsaws, buckshot, or a rifle caliber in at least .30.
Watched a pit take down a 300 lb hog. After the hog was dispatched, the pit wouldn't let go of the dead hog. The dog handler had to pry his mouth open with a long plastic knife. He tied the dog to a 4 inch tree, and the dog was still in fight mode and attacked the tree, chewing the bark off.

I wouldn't let one around my family, one way or another.
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In reply to I Sold DeSantis Lifts • 10:53a, 2/26/23
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CM Trump Voter said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.


Is this a decision based on odds of being attacked or just out of muh principles? Do you stay on the beach because of fear of sharks?
Depends on the beach. Just like it depends on the dog breed.
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In reply to Hungry Ojos • 10:53a, 2/26/23
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Hungry Ojos said:
1LoveAg said:
It's the 'culture' not the breed. Lot of ignorance on display in this thread.



Wow.

I'm not going to post what I really think about this pic, or the situation in general. Just going to blanketly say, I can't understand how anyone who truly loves their children, would EVER let them anywhere near a pit bull. Completely negligent and irresponsible. It's only a matter of time…


Do you have actual numbers to claim it's only a matter of time? I guess it's only a matter of time before we all die of covid, or are shot by someone since those are both even more likely to kill any individual than a pit bull ever will be.

My guess is more children's lives have been saved because of pit bulls(seen plenty of stories of them protecting kids) than have been put in danger by them
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In reply to MemphisAg1 • 10:55a, 2/26/23
damn...
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In reply to beerad12man • 10:58a, 2/26/23
Pits are lifesaver heroes!

Now that's an unexpected spin
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11:00a, 2/26/23
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Our cavapoos are not killers.





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In reply to RikkiTikkaTagem • 11:01a, 2/26/23
Same here with similar case numbers. Just about every bite I treat is a damn pit.

A very common theme is the dog had been in the family for years and allegedly never showed any signs of aggression. They seem to have some sort of innate "switch" that sets them off. Its usually something random. Kid has a new toy in hand and the pit snaps and takes a chunk out of the face. It is really weird to see a person devastatingly mauled and have the families primary concern be excusing the dogs behavior.

IMHO, I know what I have seen and the breed isn't worth it.
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In reply to Carnwellag2 • 11:02a, 2/26/23
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That has happened. In either Young or Stephens County there was a trial several years ago where the owner was prosecuted for his dog(s) killing a person. I can't remember how that turned out but will try to find the decision.
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11:03a, 2/26/23
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Ask the guys who run municipal dog pounds about pits.

Other advice I have gotten from these guys: "How many Huskies do you ever see that aren't tied to something?"
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 11:03a, 2/26/23
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BMX Bandit said:
Pits are lifesaver heroes!

Now that's an unexpected spin
Never sewn up a child molester attacked by a protective pit... but interesting spin nonetheless.
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In reply to beerad12man • 11:04a, 2/26/23
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beerad12man said:
Hungry Ojos said:
1LoveAg said:
It's the 'culture' not the breed. Lot of ignorance on display in this thread.



Wow.

I'm not going to post what I really think about this pic, or the situation in general. Just going to blanketly say, I can't understand how anyone who truly loves their children, would EVER let them anywhere near a pit bull. Completely negligent and irresponsible. It's only a matter of time…


Do you have actual numbers to claim it's only a matter of time? I guess it's only a matter of time before we all die of covid, or are shot by someone since those are both even more likely to kill any individual than a pit bull ever will be.

My guess is more children's lives have been saved because of pit bulls(seen plenty of stories of them protecting kids) than have been put in danger by them


Would you let toddlers handle loaded guns too? Anyone letting toddlers around pit bulls is an idiot who cannot learn from the misfortune of others.
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In reply to beanbean • 11:04a, 2/26/23
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Nanomachines son said:




If you want a dog for home defense, get a dog that is actually loyal and not a ticking time bomb from an unstable breed.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/pets/g22997516/best-guard-dogs/

Every single list for home protection excludes pit bulls because the breed is like giving a psychopath access to weaponry and telling them to do what they want.
Every single list, eh? Huge fail of a post.


I won't read the rest of the thread, but just have to post this again.

This is one of the funniest self-owns I have seen posted in here over 25 years.

Well done.
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In reply to Gunny456 • 11:04a, 2/26/23
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Gunny456 said:
The Malinois is a one family dog but is incredibly loyal to that family and is very disciplined on command obeying.
Lots of LOE K-9 trainers and military trainers, IE. Lackland AFB would highly disagree with you.
Malinois don't turn on their handlers.
I never said anything of the sort. I now perfectly well what I am talking about and my point stands. Malinois need very competent owners or don't be surprised if they tear your neighbors arm off for accidentally stepping in to your yard. Made no mention of turning on their owners sport.
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In reply to Sharpshooter • 11:09a, 2/26/23
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I may have missed it, but, I wonder why Rocky has not posted his opinion. He is the only argument I would listen to.

What if Rocky is actually the dog in the OP?
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In reply to bmks270 • 11:10a, 2/26/23
bmks270 said:

Keep banning the replacement breeds. How is it good for society to let dangerous animals roam freely in public? They present a danger and should be restricted in public spaces. That goes for dangerous humans too.


Uhm, every city and state already has those dog control rules on books. See the parallels in "gun control"? Appreciate your candidness though- ban all dogs over X pounds with a bite pressure over X. Or maybe a Dog Breed Czar to subjectively determine which dog breed gets exterminated next.

I just prefer to hold dog owners more accountable. That's starts by blaming incompetent low IQ dog owners, instead of their pets. We are already seeing BLM losers embrace Pits as the poster child of discrimination, so why play into that BS too.
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In reply to Righteousgemstone • 11:12a, 2/26/23
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Same here with similar case numbers. Just about every bite I treat is a damn pit.

A very common theme is the dog had been in the family for years and allegedly never showed any signs of aggression. They seem to have some sort of innate "switch" that sets them off. Its usually something random. Kid has a new toy in hand and the pit snaps and takes a chunk out of the face. It is really weird to see a person devastatingly mauled and have the families primary concern be excusing the dogs behavior.

IMHO, I know what I have seen and the breed isn't worth it.
That's because a moron can't admit they were stupid enough to keep an animal with pit-fighting DNA around innocent children ...
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11:13a, 2/26/23
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Back in 2005 when my oldest two (now four) daughters were only 3 & 1, we rescued a 6-month-old pit mix who had been abused and left to die.

I presume he wasn't adopted because of his breed.

Best dog ever.

Loyal. Obedient. Not aggressive (unless someone in his pack/ our family was threatened).

His sole purpose in life was to take care of my daughters and he made it to almost 15yo (died in 2020).

The very vast majority of dog owners are bad owners who don't understand that a dog is not a human or a toy, but an animal.

For evidence, go for a walk or drive around your neighborhood and observe dogs and their owners.

Again, the vast majority are instances of dogs walking their owners and not the other (and correct) way around.

Yes, pits are genetically dangerous animals. But the problems arise from their ignorant owners.
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In reply to Urban Ag • 11:16a, 2/26/23
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Go back and read. I never said you said that. I was making a statement as I said in my other post.
Dobys and Rottys known to turn on handlers.

No need to listen to guys that do training everyday ?
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11:17a, 2/26/23
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I question the intelligence and judgement of anyone that would own a pit. You can see it in the responses of the people defending the breed on this thread. An overconfidence and cockiness on how great they are as owners and training dogs. No humility or respect for the danger they are bringing into their house. The guys posing their infant next to the pit bull is a great example. Just complete hubris. Probably a reflection of the people who choose to own them. They are either extremely ignorant or extremely overconfident in their own ability to train and control an animal.
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In reply to tehmackdaddy • 11:18a, 2/26/23
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All pit owners are ignorant owners who refuse to learn from the misfortune of others.

The simple act of owning a pit bull is an act of ignorance.

I've yet to see a pit bull owner admit their dog is dangerous. The criminal and ghetto owners are more honest about this than the owners in the suburbs.
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