I was attacked by a pit bull a little more than thirty years ago. It came after me when I was riding a bicycle and coasting up to a stop sign. I managed to kick the dog in the face and knock him over and that gave me just enough time to get up to speed where the dog could catch up.

The entire time, the dog's owner, an older woman (not sure how old) was standing on the sidewalk screaming at me for kicking her dog.

I told a police officer about it the next day and she knew exactly which dog and owner I was talking about. It seems that dog was a continual problem, but they didn't do anything about it.

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The strangest problem I've had with a dog is with a dog falling through the ceiling in my office while I was working. See https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/2038123 for details. Nobody got hurt when that happened, though.

tehmackdaddy said:

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Yes, pits are genetically dangerous animals

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This is all I need to know about your comments.


I was raised in a family that raised, showed, bred, sold, hunted, tracked, and trained sporting dogs. Never once was I in fear that our animals would respond or react with the kind of malice that Pit Bulls were BRED to do…

Genetics plain and simple, the root cause of everything evil about ****bulls

bmks270 said:

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All pit owners are ignorant owners who refuse to learn from the misfortune of others.

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Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

Now go for a walk and let your chihuahua drag you around the neighborhood.

eric76 said:

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I was attacked by a pit bull a little more than thirty years ago. It came after me when I was riding a bicycle and coasting up to a stop sign. I managed to kick the dog in the face and knock him over and that gave me just enough time to get up to speed where the dog could catch up.

The entire time, the dog's owner, an older woman (not sure how old) was standing on the sidewalk screaming at me for kicking her dog.

I told a police officer about it the next day and she knew exactly which dog and owner I was talking about. It seems that dog was a continual problem, but they didn't do anything about it.

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The strangest problem I've had with a dog is with a dog falling through the ceiling in my office while I was working. See https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/2038123 for details. Nobody got hurt when that happened, though.

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Had a very similar situation happen to me, only I was jogging.

bmks270 said:

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All pit owners are ignorant owners who refuse to learn from the misfortune of others.

The simple act of owning a pit bull is an act of ignorance.

I've yet to see a pit bull owner admit their dog is dangerous. The criminal and ghetto owners are more honest about this than the owners in the suburbs.

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Statistically this is dumb and ignorant. It's more dangerous to drive your car. Especially while on your phone, but none of the drivers who do it will admit it, especially the ones with the degrees in the suburbs

BMX Bandit said:

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Pits are lifesaver heroes!

Now that's an unexpected spin

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Yep, didn't see that coming.

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bmks270 said:

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All pit owners are ignorant owners who refuse to learn from the misfortune of others.

The simple act of owning a pit bull is an act of ignorance.

I've yet to see a pit bull owner admit their dog is dangerous. The criminal and ghetto owners are more honest about this than the owners in the suburbs.

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Statistically this is dumb and ignorant. It's more dangerous to drive your car. Especially while on your phone, but none of the drivers who do it will admit it, especially the ones with the degrees in the suburbs

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Statistically cars are way safer than motorcycles. And other breeds are much safer than pit bulls.

Why can't pit bull owners admit their dogs are more dangerous than other dogs and that is the reason they own them?

Are pit bulls like big trucks or fast sport cars? Do they make the owners feel powerful and sexy by owning them? Is that the appeal of pit bull ownership?

Not sure you can slaughter an entire breed world wide but the dogs in this video absolutely should have been shot on that street.

After that, the owner should be shot as well. Want to have one, fine. It kills or maims someone, you should lose your life with the dog.

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tehmackdaddy said:

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Yes, pits are genetically dangerous animals

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This is all I need to know about your comments.

I was raised in a family that raised, showed, bred, sold, hunted, tracked, and trained sporting dogs. Never once was I in fear that our animals would respond or react with the kind of malice that Pit Bulls were BRED to do…

Genetics plain and simple, the root cause of everything evil about ****bulls

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ALL dogs are dangerous animals.

I was never in fear of my dog but I was worried once my wife and I brought our third daughter home from hospital after she was born.

Knowing our dog's breed, I kept a keen eye on him, especially when he always seemed to be around our new infant.

I did not want him around her alone because I was sincerely worried.

He followed her everywhere, whether she was in her crib, in a bouncer, in a bumbo seat, or in the swing.

He would sniff her regularly.

I thought he might be confused as to whether he thought she was part of our pack, a threat, or was a potential meal.

Then one day it clicked.

My daughter was in the swing sleeping and my dog was lying down, totally calm, right next to the swing.

I realized that from the time I brought my daughter home, he KNEW it was his job to protect her. THAT is why he never left her side.

I never worried about him again.

Whoever said pits are "nanny dogs" was correct. They simply need proper leadership, something that is lacking today both with regards to dogs and regarding children.

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Not sure you can slaughter an entire breed world wide but the dogs in this video absolutely should have been shot on that street.

After that, the owner should be shot as well. Want to have one, fine. It kills or maims someone, you should lose your life with the dog.

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Agreed.

I'm curious how many deaths to pitbull attacks there have been compared to gun deaths.

I have had Pitts before, but wouldn't get one now for 2 main reasons.

1) I'm more often around kids and parents now, so regardless you have to manage that perception and any uncomfortableness.

2) Even if on a leash, I can't control another dog off a leash. I have more assets at risk now, in the low probability Karen's Husky gets injured in a brief altercation.

Agree with other posters. It takes 3 seconds to tell if a dog owner is responsible or not.

Of the 33 total deaths inflicted by pit bulls, 39% (13) involved killing a family member vs. 61% (20) non-family.

19% (9) of dog bite fatalities involved a family dog killing its owner. Females, ages 31 to 67, comprised 89% (8) of these victims. Pit bulls inflicted 56% (5) of all owner-directed fatal attacks.

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If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.

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Is this a decision based on odds of being attacked or just out of muh principles? Do you stay on the beach because of fear of sharks?

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Of course not, I trust sharks way more than I trust pit bulls.

Also not having to converse with someone that thinks put bulls are good family pets is an added bonus of avoiding houses with pit bulls.

When I was a child in the 1960's German shepherds were the evil dog that idiots got to have the toughest dog.

I believe it was the movie "The Shining" that used Rottweilers as the devil's dogs. Suddenly they became the breed to fear. (My neighbor had a rot that the meter man dubbed "the worst guard dog ever" because he had no aggressiveness at all.) Next came Dobermans, also because of their portrayal in movies. (Interesting that these are all German herding dogs).

Then "pit bulls" became the bad-azz dog for idiots. Granted, looking at the breed's history bull terriers were bred for fighting since the mid-19th century, but most were bred to be family pets and general work dogs.

The problem with declaring all "pit bulls" illegal is that there is no specific breed of "pit bull". The Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Bull Terrier are most often associated with pit bulls. But attacks by boxers and other bull dog looking breeds get lump in with pit bull attacks. My neighbor was attacked by a dog that most likely was a setter mix, but since it was aggressive, she said that it was a pit bull.

Since the most common breed in the US in the 19th and most of the 20th century was the American Bull Terrier, most mutts have some terrier genetics. Bull terriers were popular because they were a loyal and very versatile breed. Note that the RCA dog is an American bull terrier.

If you want to destroy every dog with "pit bull" genes, then you pretty much have to kill every mutt in the country, including my under-aggressive clump of fir that has a small percentage of Staffordshire Bull Terrier in his genetics.

It makes much more sense to destroy overly aggressive individual dogs rather than eliminating entire breeds.

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I'm curious how many deaths to pitbull attacks there have been compared to gun deaths.

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Trusting the decision tree of a walnut brain sized pit bred for bloodsport to a gun with no brain is curious. Cat level of curious.

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boboguitar said:

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I'm curious how many deaths to pitbull attacks there have been compared to gun deaths.

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Why does that make you curious? In your zeal to defend something awful, you're ignorantly conflating two wholly incomparable things.

Can a gun kill someone on its own?

Can a pit bull?

You're welcome.

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Both are used for home defense.

Both cause death by irresponsible owners.

One causes a LOT more death than the other.

Interesting that the Doberman and Rottweiler is in the Working Group of AKC whereas German Shepherds, Dutch Shepherds, Malinois etc. are in the Herding Group.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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CM Trump Voter said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.

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Is this a decision based on odds of being attacked or just out of muh principles? Do you stay on the beach because of fear of sharks?

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Of course not, I trust sharks way more than I trust pit bulls.

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Because sharks are a common pet in many homes and those sharks have been domesticated for thousands of years?

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Interesting that the Doberman and Rottweiler is in the Working Group of AKC whereas German Shepherds, Dutch Shepherds, Malinois etc. are in the Herding Group.

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I stand corrected, but it is interesting how Hollywood would choose German breeds to be the evil ones in their movies.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.

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Is this a decision based on odds of being attacked or just out of muh principles? Do you stay on the beach because of fear of sharks?

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Of course not, I trust sharks way more than I trust pit bulls.

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Because sharks are a common pet in many homes and those sharks have been domesticated for thousands of years?

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Oh I agree, on face value, it seems ridiculous to say I'd trust swimming around shark more than I would being around a pit bull. But that's just how stupid it is to have a pit bull in your house.

No one's going to change your mind. I just hope that when it snaps it doesn't maim a stranger or a kid that didn't have any choice in the matter.

Now this thread has spun off to guns causing death... not the hands touching them mind you, but "the guns".
Well let's throw in cell phones then. They cause lots of traffic deaths...again not the hands holding them. .... let's also talk hammers, knives and ice picks .....derail it even more..... holy cow.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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tehmackdaddy said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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If my someone in my family got a pit bull we'd never go to their house again. It's just not worth it. No "we'll just keep the dog outside", sorry, no longer going to go over there.

Fortunately for me no one in my family is this brain dead. Pit bulls are just another reason to live in an expensive neighborhood, just further away from them and the type of people that buy them.

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Is this a decision based on odds of being attacked or just out of muh principles? Do you stay on the beach because of fear of sharks?

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Of course not, I trust sharks way more than I trust pit bulls.

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Because sharks are a common pet in many homes and those sharks have been domesticated for thousands of years?

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Oh I agree, on face value, it seems ridiculous to say I'd trust swimming around shark more than I would being around a pit bull. But that's just how stupid it is to have a pit bull in your house.

No one's going to change your mind. I just hope that when it snaps it doesn't maim a stranger or a kid that didn't have any choice in the matter.

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So you equate pitbulls to sharks?

Tell me you know nothing about dogs without telling me you know nothing about dogs.

Actually the meanest dog I ever was around was my aunts two chihuahuas. I would stay with them for about 4 weeks during the summer at their lake house when I was a kid. They had two chihuahuas named "Pepe" and " Mario".
By the end of the 4 weeks I looked like I played with a roll of barb wire. They bit me like everyday for something!

Everybody who has a pit could satisfy their needs and desires in having a dog with a different breed. It's a vanity/ego choice.

Usually "little man" syndrome.

The lengths of mental gymnastics people will go to justify owning this breed is impressive. The biggest danger in all this is the people who choose to own this breed. Their ignorance and/or hubris is on full display. I don't see anyway to fix this problem because the people who you would most want to not own this breed tend to be the ones choosing to own them.

This thread is akin to an anti-gun rights thread.

People with zero experience raising animals calling for the abolishment of animals they are afraid of because they have no practical experience in the subject matter and have only anecdotes as a defense.

I'll replace the terms.

People with zero experience with firearms calling for the abolishment of firearms they are afraid of because they have no practical experience in the subject matter and have only anecdotes as a defense.

I wouldn't let a toddler play with a loaded gun or a pit bull.

That's the only analogy I'd make between guns and pit bulls.

Let's actually look at the stats:

2015:

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Last year, according to the Washington Post, 13 toddlers age 3 or younger accidentally killed themselves with a gun, 18 injured themselves, 10 injured others, and two killed other people.

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Annual data from 2015 shows that 39% (14) of the fatality victims were children ages 9-years and younger,

Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (4), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 89% of the total recorded deaths in 2015.

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https://time.com/4311066/toddlers-guns-shoot-parents/



2015 data shows 38 gun deaths age 0-9 excluding homicide.


https://www.kidsdata.org/topic/2005/firearm-deaths-age-cause/table#fmt=3006&loc=1,2&tf=84&ch=733,1404,445,446,1308,532,534,1643&sortColumnId=0&sortType=asc


Ages 0-9 in 2015:
14 deaths from dangerous dog breeds.
38 deaths from fire arms not ruled homicide.

300+ million guns
being generous here 7 million pit bulls and Rottweilers and other dangerous breeds.

Doing the numbers it appears that a child age 0-9 is 15x more likely to be killed by an aggressive dog breed than a firearm (excluding homicides).

boboguitar said:

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I'm curious how many deaths to pitbull attacks there have been compared to gun deaths.

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As long as we are derailing....

I'm curious as to how many deaths due to guns solely in the hands of government compare to the number of deaths due to guns in the hands of the citizenry.

See post above for gun vs dog deaths.

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Doing the numbers it appears that a child age 0-9 is 15x more likely to be killed by an aggressive dog breed than a firearm (excluding homicides).

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And you have to figure that there is more than a small chance that a pit owner also has a gun in the house.

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Usually "little man" syndrome.

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100% as evidenced by the "go walk your chihuahua" comment.