I just finished watching "Died Suddenly"

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aggierogue said:

Zobel said:

Great, now your mistrust is actively preventing you from differentiating between good and bad data. Global uniform mistrust is a bad approach.

I don't trust anyone - I do have some confidence in research. Maybe not any particular study, but research in general.
How do we honestly know what data is good and what is bad when it's being funded by governments with obvious agendas?


Ethics? If your research is found unethical, you are professionally scr3w3d. This comes from one of my PhD relatives involved in various research projects. Misrepresented data will kill you professionally and other professionals will call you out.
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RWWilson said:

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The side effects were heart attack, stroke, and unstable angina. If the rates were comparable, you'd have had 24+ cases in the phase 3 trials alone.

On the other hand the troponin levels you're talking about - from your doc - are subclinical, with nonspecific symptoms, and self resolving.

Do you think that is a good comparison?
I had a feeling that the next line of defense would be "So what's a little myocarditis? You have to break a few eggs to make omelettes."


One, it was your source. Why bother quoting someone who disagrees with you on every point?

And two, you didn't answer the question. Do you think it's a good comparison?

As for the Pfizer trial, no, I'm talking about the one that reported 95%.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
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RWWilson
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Zobel said:

The side effects were heart attack, stroke, and unstable angina. If the rates were comparable, you'd have had 24+ cases in the phase 3 trials alone.

On the other hand the troponin levels you're talking about - from your doc - are subclinical, with nonspecific symptoms, and self resolving.

Do you think that is a good comparison?
Edit: I can't find where the trial actually tracked myocarditis by age.
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Plunge said:

aggierogue said:

Zobel said:

Great, now your mistrust is actively preventing you from differentiating between good and bad data. Global uniform mistrust is a bad approach.

I don't trust anyone - I do have some confidence in research. Maybe not any particular study, but research in general.
How do we honestly know what data is good and what is bad when it's being funded by governments with obvious agendas?

Ethics? If your research is found unethical, you are professionally scr3w3d. This comes from one of my PhD relatives involved in various research projects. Misrepresented data will kill you professionally and other professionals will call you out.
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I don't think they identified any cases. going back to your article earlier, it noted an estimated rate of 35 per million cases of myocarditis. That means you wouldn't likely see a single one in a trial group of 21,720.
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If it's 35 cases of myocarditis per million then why do I keep reading posts on here containing personal accounts of people with myocarditis and heart palpitations?

You can look at the data. I get that. But you also got to look at whats happening IRL.

I had no idea what myocarditis was before the vaccines came out. Never heard of it. Now it's a household name.
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The only place I have ever heard about it is on Texags.
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Zobel said:

The only place I have ever heard about it is on Texags.


When my cousin was fighting for her life and having surgeries to remove blood clots caused by the vaccine, the national media was reporting that there was 7 people with blood clots nationally, with the cases listed by location. My cousin was never added to the list. CDC representatives appeared at the hospital for my cousin's case. My aunt asked them why the number of post-vaccine blood clot cases wasn't advanced to at least reflect her daughter's case, and the CDC rep snapped at her, saying they would report cases on their own time, to manage mass hysteria. Then local news wanted to report about her case and the hospital wouldn't allow them in. This was in April 2021. I received this text from my other aunt at the time:
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Thaddeus Beauregard
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Weeks passed and the "official" number of blood clot cases post-vax remained at 7 nationwide, and then news stories about it basically stopped. My cousin was never added to the case reporting.

So, there was active squelching of info, and much of what was reported was horseshyte.
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Then my brother died at 52 of myocarditis in Sept 2021, a couple of weeks after getting the vax.

My wife and daughter are both RNs. Within a month after the vax was widely available, both told me that of the severe Covid cases at their hospital, patients were pretty evenly divided between vaxxed and unvaxxed.

Yeah anecdotal and all… BUT… WTF?
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It just seems to me that if the vaccine was EVER so f'ing effective as reported, surely average citizens like me would see evidence of it. All but 2 or 3 of those who got vaxxed that I know ended up getting Covid anyway, half with the alpha variant in the early stages of vaccine administration, when people were still trusting it's efficacy. I work for a large company and my company was flirting with the idea of requiring the vax. I heard from a lot of people whose experiences matched mine, and a large group of us pledged that we would neither get the vax nor even let our employer know of our vax status.

So I don't trust the info about vaccine efficacy for good reason, based on personal experience with real people.

As the line in "The Outlaw Josie Wales" goes, "don't pizz down my back and tell me it's raining."
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Zobel said:

I don't think they identified any cases. going back to your article earlier, it noted an estimated rate of 35 per million cases of myocarditis. That means you wouldn't likely see a single one in a trial group of 21,720.
The article said that is what they would have expected based on previous passive observation. Pfizer trial was purely passive observation. They did not test for adverse events at the subclinical level.. High quality science would have demanded they test pre and post inoculation for various biomarkers like d-dimers and troponin.

The study you cite shows a evidence of temporary mild damage to cardiac cells in 2.8% of vaccinated recording cardiac troponin levels.

Most cases of myocarditis are asymptomatic. Sometimes the initial presentation is cardiac arrest.

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They did not test for adverse events at the subclinical level.

Ok

I'm done here
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Man, I'm really sorry you had to go through that. There's not much else that can be said.
Thaddeus Beauregard
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Zobel said:

Man, I'm really sorry you had to go through that. There's not much else that can be said.


And I'm just one guy. If these life-threatening/life-ending events caused by the vax are so infinitesimally rare, then my family must be monumentally cursed. Notice the text above where my aunt said her daughter was a member of a FB group of people with family members who had adverse health issues from the vax and the members numbered 127,000 before the group was zapped. And my cousin's blood clotting case requiring 3 rounds of surgery, where she came very close to dying was never reported. And my brother died of myocarditis 2 weeks after getting the vax, the same correlation that is finally being reported.

So I call bullshyte on the idea that ours is a rare isolated experience. It just doesn't pass the smell test, especially in light of the alarming trend of healthy elite athletes suddenly falling dead from cardiac events.

The predictions of Belgian virologist Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, who theorized that the "incomplete" (doesn't stop transmission from the vaccinated) Covid vaccines would cause "immunity escapes" that allowed for viral mutations seem to have been accurate.

https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/

https://merogenomics.ca/blog/en/140/Immune-escape-Dr-Geert-Vanden-Bossche-explained


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Zobel said:

The only place I have ever heard about it is on Texags.


Really caught steam when the Big10 used it as one of the reasons to cancel the football season in 2020. Don't think that was started by the conspiraloons on TexAgs.

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Zobel
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I believe that was for COVID, not the vaccines.
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Zobel said:

I believe that was for COVID, not the vaccines.


Correct, it was. Then vaccines were made to combat Covid and some people question that there may be a link from the vaccines to increased cases of myocarditis. Seems logical to me.

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Thaddeus Beauregard said:

Zobel said:

Man, I'm really sorry you had to go through that. There's not much else that can be said.


And I'm just one guy. If these life-threatening/life-ending events caused by the vax are so infinitesimally rare, then my family must be monumentally cursed. Notice the text above where my aunt said her daughter was a member of a FB group of people with family members who had adverse health issues from the vax and the members numbered 127,000 before the group was zapped. And my cousin's blood clotting case requiring 3 rounds of surgery, where she came very close to dying was never reported. And my brother died of myocarditis 2 weeks after getting the vax, the same correlation that is finally being reported.

So I call bullshyte on the idea that ours is a rare isolated experience. It just doesn't pass the smell test, especially in light of the alarming trend of healthy elite athletes suddenly falling dead from cardiac events.

The predictions of Belgian virologist Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, who theorized that the "incomplete" (doesn't stop transmission from the vaccinated) Covid vaccines would cause "immunity escapes" that allowed for viral mutations seem to have been accurate.

https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/

https://merogenomics.ca/blog/en/140/Immune-escape-Dr-Geert-Vanden-Bossche-explained





Thanks for the info. I really can't fathom that people are still defending the vaccine. Mind-boggling. As for Zobel saying he's only heard certain claims on Texags, just look at the "comments" section of any vaccine video on youtube. Tons of people reporting clots, heart problems, death... Not hard to find when you're honestly looking. The vax is poison, so glad I wasn't forced to get it.
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"Conspiraloons" sounds like a brand new pair of shoes, or crocs!
Hate is how progressives sustain themselves. Without hate, introspection begins to slip into the progressive's consciousness, threatening the progressive with the truth: that their ideas and opinions are illogical, hypocritical, dangerous, and asinine.
This is backed by data.
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Tragic death of a USAFA Cadet third class who died suddenly today on the waybto class afterleavinghis dorm room. He was an offensive lineman. Cause is yet to be determined and his death is under investigation by OSI.

https://gazette.com/military/air-force-academy-cadet-football-player-collapses-dies-on-way-to-class/article_deb0d2e8-9139-11ed-88a4-833985d0730c.html
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If only there was a way to measure this instead of going by news clippings, anecdotes, and feelings.

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If only there was the faintest curiosity about why extremely fit athletes seem the be dying at young ages in unprecedented numbers.

https://stephenc.substack.com/p/5-fold-increase-in-sudden-cardiac




...but of course, we know something more about the vax status of athletes because of league rules than we do about the general population.
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I know I feel better now that some guy named Jeremy in Arkansas made a graph.
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If only there was the faintest curiosity about why extremely fit athletes seem the be dying at young ages in unprecedented numbers.


There's no data to support this claim. It appears that way to emotive thinkers who are easily persuaded by anecdotes - now that there's an army of anti vaxers scouring the internet for news clippings.

Do you see the problem with the laughable "study" you posted?
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According to Wikipedia, under "List of association footballers who died while playing", in 2001-2020 there was an average of 4.2 deaths per year attributed to SCD or SUD, the vast majority being SCD. In contrast, in 2021, according to our list, there were 21 cases of SCD/SUD among FIFA players.

Comparing a select list of "notable" soccer players from Wikipedia to "our list".

When in fact FIFA has an old study showing about 120 people die per year playing soccer before covid.
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chap said:

I know I feel better now that some guy named Jeremy in Arkansas made a graph.


The sources and data tables are provided.
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The Air Force Academy said OL Hunter Brown died after experiencing a medical emergency as he left his dormitory for class Monday. He was 21


https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35422288/air-force-says-ol-hunter-brown-dies-medical-emergency
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RAB91 said:


Don't forget the two USAFA Senior cadets who committed suicide during the April 2020 lockdowns.

I hope the History books are honest enough to report on how crazy the Covid response by the military was.
 
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