Brittmoore Car Club said:

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AggiEE said:

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Things that make you go Hmmm

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1:24...it has always looked like a much smaller "executive" type airplane to me as well.

Pentagon is like 75 feet tall. A 757 is apparently 45 feet tall.

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Now getting somewhere. I agree, having proof of the type of flying craft (airliner, missile, learjet, etc) would be very valuable.

It doesn't help that that footage is not a stream. Its closer to snapping with an old instamatic.

Unreal that this is coming up again on this site.

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Simply put, because it's one of the most important government buildings in the world, and not just a corporate high rise. For the same reason there have probably been high quality cameras surrounding the white house and capitol building for decades at least.

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Reasonable. You do realize though, that's nothing but logical inference and speculation of what would expect? You might be surprised at just how often in history the most obvious things or procedures or elements were missing from a situation where government, and especially its allocations and funding, and staffing involved. Top notch equipment simply unmanned, useless. Clear-cut procedures on handling a report-- just yawned away. Very important doorways that "of course" would have a guard and a camera -- yet did not. An overseer appointed for only one job, and yet not doing it that day or even month.

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The concept that people with "Ag Tags", and a degree from one of the premier institutions of higher learning in the nation, believe an airliner did not hit the Pentagon on 9/11 is disturbing.

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That's a form of censorship too, if pressed too far. If they have reasonable questions, why not attempt to answer them or get them to re-think the question they are asking? Many "skeptics" start out from honest doubt because something seems "off" or fishy -- exhibit A the 2020 November election.

The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Unreal that this is coming up again on this site.

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That should tell you something.

We 22 years in there's still unanswered questions and it's still triggering a heated debate.

More people might be open to revisiting the issue after what we saw with covid.

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Correct. And its just the reasonable questions addressing. Not stuff like mid-flight substitutions, etc.

Some of this is driven by presumptions, and history and what actually is recorded/caught often doesn't work that way.

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redcrayon said:

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Unreal that this is coming up again on this site.

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That should tell you something.

We 22 years in there's still unanswered questions and it's still triggering a heated debate.

More people might be open to revisiting the issue after what we saw with covid.

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It tells me something alright.

There are answers. Some people just can't accept them. Just bump the other thread.

Our government still won't release thousands of JFK related documents 60 years after the fact.

There's absolutely no reason to withhold them unless it directly implicated three letter institutions

Who knows? Maybe they indeed do.

All that need now be true, is that JFK was seen anything like Trump -- a wild card, a potential issue.

If that is true as some even unrelated accounts seem to say he was seen--then all bets are off we have learned.

But how much does that bear here and whether video would show anything does not follow.

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Correct. And its just the reasonable questions addressing. Not stuff like mid-flight substitutions, etc.

Some of this is driven by presumptions, and history and what actually is recorded/caught often doesn't work that way.

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When the bigger picture alternative is something that negates thousands of eye witnesses, mountains of evidence and that would require a few hundred people to participate in a multilevel conspiracy and have nothing come out, all questions are unreasonable.

That's why truthers will never throw out any alternate theories. They are far too insane to suggest. But they will cling to the "just asking questions" mantra because they can't admit to themselves that they've been so insanely wrong for so long.

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'Trust but verify' is a meme as well.

I hear what you are saying ... but ... I sure would like a look at that video.

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Same. I don't understand how releasing video would expose any critical weaknesses or vulnerabilities at the Pentagon all this time later. Makes zero sense. It would shut a lot of people up...and I can't think of any risk or downside.

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So the only way you and other Truthers are going to believe an American Airlines 757 hit the Pentagon is to have clear video evidence? No other reasonable evidence is going to suffice, including multiple eyewitness accounts and actual wreckage onsite?

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No, not at all. Three 4K videos of the plane impacting could be released tomorrow and the truthers would question how there just so happened to be so many high quality cameras recording the exact place of impact.

Someone touched on it earlier but too many people look at the recording from today's perspective. Today I carry 4 cameras with a combined 121 megapixels and 4x optical zoom in my pocket any time I leave the house. Those 4 cameras are connected to 512 gigabytes of storage and 200 more on the cloud.

The first camera phone was the SCH-V200 which was released in 2000 and boasted 0.35 megapixels. The first camera phone released in the US came in late 2002, also with 0.35 megapixel and the ability to store 500 - count 'em, FIVE ZERO ZERO - phone numbers. The first iPhone launched in 2007 with 16 GB of storage and a 2 megapixel camera.

It should shock no one that the video we have is the best that we have.

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Correct. And its just the reasonable questions addressing. Not stuff like mid-flight substitutions, etc.

Some of this is driven by presumptions, and history and what actually is recorded/caught often doesn't work that way.

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When the bigger picture alternative is something that negates thousands of eye witnesses, mountains of evidence and that would require a few hundred people to participate in a multilevel conspiracy and have nothing come out, all questions are unreasonable.

That's why truthers will never throw out any alternate theories. They are far too insane to suggest. But they will cling to the "just asking questions" mantra because they can't admit to themselves that they've been so insanely wrong for so long.

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Don't disagree. In fact, the italics is precisely what pressing on. These discussions will not impact the entrenched,but might the genuinely open minded.

As said, but will rephrase for greater clarity -- IMO the whole "just asking questions" to create doubt is somewhat dubious if you won't throw out some scenario. You have to have a point. If you are honest you will and will put it together in your head. (It also reminds me of gospel skeptics--some of the methods)

I have the same question about Trump. What is believe he did at his rally on Jan 6? Notice how the DNC-MSM never spell it out. A phrase like "insurrection" is no more honest than "it was a cover-up or fraud" is about the 9/11 standard story.

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Correct. And its just the reasonable questions addressing. Not stuff like mid-flight substitutions, etc.

Some of this is driven by presumptions, and history and what actually is recorded/caught often doesn't work that way.

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When the bigger picture alternative is something that negates thousands of eye witnesses, mountains of evidence and that would require a few hundred people to participate in a multilevel conspiracy and have nothing come out, all questions are unreasonable.

That's why truthers will never throw out any alternate theories. They are far too insane to suggest. But they will cling to the "just asking questions" mantra because they can't admit to themselves that they've been so insanely wrong for so long.

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What thousands of eye witnesses do we have that definitively saw a 757 hit the pentagon?

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Correct. And its just the reasonable questions addressing. Not stuff like mid-flight substitutions, etc.

Some of this is driven by presumptions, and history and what actually is recorded/caught often doesn't work that way.

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When the bigger picture alternative is something that negates thousands of eye witnesses, mountains of evidence and that would require a few hundred people to participate in a multilevel conspiracy and have nothing come out, all questions are unreasonable.

That's why truthers will never throw out any alternate theories. They are far too insane to suggest. But they will cling to the "just asking questions" mantra because they can't admit to themselves that they've been so insanely wrong for so long.

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What thousands of eye witnesses do we have that definitively saw a 757 hit the pentagon?

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Here we go again. There are people connected to a handful of them on this thread alone. You think there aren't more? You think the ones who say they saw it happen just made it up?

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Who knows? Maybe they indeed do.

All that need now be true, is that JFK was seen anything like Trump -- a wild card, a potential issue.

If that is true as some even unrelated accounts seem to say he was seen--then all bets are off we have learned.

But how much does that bear here and whether video would show anything does not follow.

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What follows is the same thing. The government has more footage that they are intentionally withholding

Why?

The list of anomalies surrounding 911 is a long list.

And all this pentagon issue is a small part of it.

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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Correct. And its just the reasonable questions addressing. Not stuff like mid-flight substitutions, etc.

Some of this is driven by presumptions, and history and what actually is recorded/caught often doesn't work that way.

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When the bigger picture alternative is something that negates thousands of eye witnesses, mountains of evidence and that would require a few hundred people to participate in a multilevel conspiracy and have nothing come out, all questions are unreasonable.

That's why truthers will never throw out any alternate theories. They are far too insane to suggest. But they will cling to the "just asking questions" mantra because they can't admit to themselves that they've been so insanely wrong for so long.

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What thousands of eye witnesses do we have that definitively saw a 757 hit the pentagon?

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Here we go again. There are people connected to a handful of them on this thread alone. You think there aren't more? You think the ones who say they saw it happen just made it up?

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Saying they saw a plane hit the building doesn't mean they saw a 757 hit the building

We still don't have footage of the alleged hijackers entering all the required airport terminals

Why?

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'Trust but verify' is a meme as well.

I hear what you are saying ... but ... I sure would like a look at that video.

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Same. I don't understand how releasing video would expose any critical weaknesses or vulnerabilities at the Pentagon all this time later. Makes zero sense. It would shut a lot of people up...and I can't think of any risk or downside.

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So the only way you and other Truthers are going to believe an American Airlines 757 hit the Pentagon is to have clear video evidence? No other reasonable evidence is going to suffice, including multiple eyewitness accounts and actual wreckage onsite?

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No, not at all. Three 4K videos of the plane impacting could be released tomorrow and the truthers would question how there just so happened to be so many high quality cameras recording the exact place of impact.

Someone touched on it earlier but too many people look at the recording from today's perspective. Today I carry 4 cameras with a combined 121 megapixels and 4x optical zoom in my pocket any time I leave the house. Those 4 cameras are connected to 512 gigabytes of storage and 200 more on the cloud.

The first camera phone was the SCH-V200 which was released in 2000 and boasted 0.35 megapixels. The first camera phone released in the US came in late 2002, also with 0.35 megapixel and the ability to store 500 - count 'em, FIVE ZERO ZERO - phone numbers. The first iPhone launched in 2007 with 16 GB of storage and a 2 megapixel camera.

It should shock no one that the video we have is the best that we have.

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Excellent post, and interesting to see those specifics. Will add some more.

With security cameras, storage in 2001 is another factor-- many are having to re-use the same VHS tape or CD, and erase over what was recorded if not `caught' and taken out of the loop fast enough. Someone has to think of that right away and know where. Pentagon cams are one thing, but the relative lack of documentation from surrounding buildings surviving is not the surprising. Even some of the confiscated tapes might have already re-taped. We just don't know.

In 2008 an 8-GiG flash drive was a big deal, but that hardly holds much of the kind of many minutes and high quality video would be wanting. And that's 2008.

The only footage that civilians are going to generally succeed in taking is exactly what you saw at the towers--some of their digital cameras now whipped out and in use. But NOT at the ready at the moment of impact. (That's why Tower No.1 has only one, maybe three videos that catch it)

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I wouldn't mind having absolute video proof it was the type of two-engine airliner alleged, let alone that number one. It would also be useful to know for sure it wasn't a missile (but that ignores the plethora of eyewitnesses, and we are back to why is the video wanted)

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The debris identify the type and line number of the aircraft. Everything has a part number, down to the markers you see stuck everywhere in the cabin. Boeing designed parts and purchased assemblies have a letter in the 4th character of the part number identifying the model it's made for. Planes have an absurd number of serial number controlled parts that, between the original build and maintenance records, will give you the line number they were installed on. Even non-serial number controlled items may have a batch or lot number for traceability.
The theoretical argument that a bunch of 757 parts were scattered around doesn't hold up because they'd be traceable back to the wrong line number either through AA or Boeing documents. There's zero question that it was anything other than the plane in question.

Y'all need to demand more from your government.

The amount of withheld information, glaring inconsistencies, and outright impossibilities is striking.

But because they control the investigation and the media narrative, they get away with it and people turn a blind eye. We see it time and time again. JFK. 9/11. Iraq. Covid.

Anyone with any bit of common sense should have some serious questions at a minimum.

FFS

Evidently, Aggie jokes write themselves.

Good Lord. </Facepalm>

AggiEE said:

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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Uh……uh………yeah……..that's exactly the same. Planes crashed all over the world. Then again, your line of thinking does parallel some of the thought on the thread.

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I wouldn't mind having absolute video proof it was the type of two-engine airliner alleged, let alone that number one. It would also be useful to know for sure it wasn't a missile (but that ignores the plethora of eyewitnesses, and we are back to why is the video wanted)

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The debris identify the type and line number of the aircraft. Everything has a part number, down to the markers you see stuck everywhere in the cabin. Boeing designed parts and purchased assemblies have a letter in the 4th character of the part number identifying the model it's made for. Planes have an absurd number of serial number controlled parts that, between the original build and maintenance records, will give you the line number they were installed on. Even non-serial number controlled items may have a batch or lot number for traceability.
The theoretical argument that a bunch of 757 parts were scattered around doesn't hold up because they'd be traceable back to the wrong line number either through AA or Boeing documents. There's zero question that it was anything other than the plane in question.

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Correct. And that's why mentioned earlier, in passing, that to the inevitable "they were planted" it has to be realized that some of the live video footage of the media cutting to the crash shows some of the pieces in the right place, just very distant. So "know for sure" refers to those who need a live-action indication of what the "after the fact" evidence unequivocally lines up with (as you laid out)

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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Uh……uh………yeah……..that's exactly the same. Planes crashed all over the world. Then again, your line of thinking does parallel some of the thought on the thread.

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How many died from Iraq or the war on terror?

Outright fabricated lies

But nahhhh, the government would never do such a thing, right?

AggiEE said:

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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Uh……uh………yeah……..that's exactly the same. Planes crashed all over the world. Then again, your line of thinking does parallel some of the thought on the thread.

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How many died from Iraq or the war on terror?

Outright fabricated lies

But nahhhh, the government would never do such a thing, right?

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Yessssssssssss…………..that's the ticket……..deflect and "what about" when overwhelming evidence says a plane crashed into the Pentagon with hundreds of casualties (or passengers and Pentagon personnel transported to a deserted island and executed), a bomb planted in the Pentagon, and no real witnesses……

Was the moon landing staged?

AggiEE said:

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Who knows? Maybe they indeed do.

All that need now be true, is that JFK was seen anything like Trump -- a wild card, a potential issue.

If that is true as some even unrelated accounts seem to say he was seen--then all bets are off we have learned.

But how much does that bear here and whether video would show anything does not follow.

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What follows is the same thing. The government has more footage that they are intentionally withholding

Why?

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Do you know this to be true?

Beyond an inference of what "such an important building" would have? Do we know that the confiscated footage had good data and imagery? (This goes to what said earlier that the fedgov default is to seize the documentation -- even when there is no point. Because of the micro-managing mania. )

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AggiEE said:

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B-1 83 said:

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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Uh……uh………yeah……..that's exactly the same. Planes crashed all over the world. Then again, your line of thinking does parallel some of the thought on the thread.

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How many died from Iraq or the war on terror?

Outright fabricated lies

But nahhhh, the government would never do such a thing, right?

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Yessssssssssss…………..that's the ticket……..deflect and "what about" when overwhelming evidence says a plane crashed into the Pentagon with hundreds of casualties (or passengers and Pentagon personnel transported to a deserted island and executed), a bomb planted in the Pentagon, and no real witnesses……

Was the moon landing staged?

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There's no overwhelming evidence, the evidence at the scene is overwhelmingly lacking and inconsistent with a 757

Never mind the fact that highly experienced commercial pilots couldn't fly a simulated trajectory that was taken to hit the pentagon like that

Stumbling upon a 9/11 truther thread…in almost 2023.

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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I disagree, The 2020 election, which the FBI (and maybe other agencies) colluded with tech companies to influence, certainly did result in THOUSANDS more dying than otherwise would have. Fentanyl is flowing through our open borders and is the #1 cause of death among people age 18-39. Crime and murder is much worse too. And more Covid deaths I believe.

The 2020 election killed many more than 9/11 did. Just not in one day.

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B-1 83 said:

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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Uh……uh………yeah……..that's exactly the same. Planes crashed all over the world. Then again, your line of thinking does parallel some of the thought on the thread.

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How many died from Iraq or the war on terror?

Outright fabricated lies

But nahhhh, the government would never do such a thing, right?

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Yessssssssssss…………..that's the ticket……..deflect and "what about" when overwhelming evidence says a plane crashed into the Pentagon with hundreds of casualties (or passengers and Pentagon personnel transported to a deserted island and executed), a bomb planted in the Pentagon, and no real witnesses……

Was the moon landing staged?

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There's no overwhelming evidence, the evidence at the scene is overwhelmingly lacking and inconsistent with a 757

Never mind the fact that highly experienced commercial pilots couldn't fly a simulated trajectory that was taken to hit the pentagon like that

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What happened to the passengers on that flight? Kidnapped? The "real" plane hijacked (off radar, and no witnesses, of course) to Cuba? We're all the collaborators whisked away under one of the NYC towers that was secretly wired to blow up and collapse, grinding them to unrecognizable pulp?

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The 2020 election did not kill hundreds, have video, have "missing persons" from a regularly scheduled flight, ……

Reasonable doubt and questions is one thing, but……………

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How many deaths were caused by Covid or Covid policy?

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Uh……uh………yeah……..that's exactly the same. Planes crashed all over the world. Then again, your line of thinking does parallel some of the thought on the thread.

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How many died from Iraq or the war on terror?

Outright fabricated lies

But nahhhh, the government would never do such a thing, right?

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Yessssssssssss…………..that's the ticket……..deflect and "what about" when overwhelming evidence says a plane crashed into the Pentagon with hundreds of casualties (or passengers and Pentagon personnel transported to a deserted island and executed), a bomb planted in the Pentagon, and no real witnesses……

Was the moon landing staged?

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There's no overwhelming evidence, the evidence at the scene is overwhelmingly lacking and inconsistent with a 757

Never mind the fact that highly experienced commercial pilots couldn't fly a simulated trajectory that was taken to hit the pentagon like that

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That's just plain wrong. As The Fife noted so well, there is plenty of evidence that an AA 757 hit the Pentagon.

Are we now back to where we were in the other thread where you believe:

1. AA77 takes off as scheduled.
2. Shortly into its flight it is commandeered by people who are part of the cabal.
3. The plane lands at a military base. Either nobody who is not part of the cabal sees this large AA jet land, or the military personnel at this base are so used to seeing AA 757's land there that they don't think twice about it.
4. Since you say it was not possible for calls to be made from the flight, these "fake" phone calls were either made prior to takeoff or after the plane landed at the military base. Of course, there's that niggling little issue that at least a couple of people on AA77 actually talked to people on the ground in real time. Not just a voicemail. I guess those people could have been pulled from the flight before it took off and then made the "fake" call at the appropriate time, right?
5. After the passengers are disembarked and may or may not have made these "fake" phone calls, they're summarily marched off and executed. Nobody blinks an eye.

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'Trust but verify' is a meme as well.

I hear what you are saying ... but ... I sure would like a look at that video.

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Same. I don't understand how releasing video would expose any critical weaknesses or vulnerabilities at the Pentagon all this time later. Makes zero sense. It would shut a lot of people up...and I can't think of any risk or downside.

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So the only way you and other Truthers are going to believe an American Airlines 757 hit the Pentagon is to have clear video evidence? No other reasonable evidence is going to suffice, including multiple eyewitness accounts and actual wreckage onsite?

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No, not at all. Three 4K videos of the plane impacting could be released tomorrow and the truthers would question how there just so happened to be so many high quality cameras recording the exact place of impact.

Someone touched on it earlier but too many people look at the recording from today's perspective. Today I carry 4 cameras with a combined 121 megapixels and 4x optical zoom in my pocket any time I leave the house. Those 4 cameras are connected to 512 gigabytes of storage and 200 more on the cloud.

The first camera phone was the SCH-V200 which was released in 2000 and boasted 0.35 megapixels. The first camera phone released in the US came in late 2002, also with 0.35 megapixel and the ability to store 500 - count 'em, FIVE ZERO ZERO - phone numbers. The first iPhone launched in 2007 with 16 GB of storage and a 2 megapixel camera.

It should shock no one that the video we have is the best that we have.

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So if something catastrophic happened at the white house or capitol building on that day instead, we would not have solid footage because they didn't have high tech enough cameras to monitor the most important government buildings in the world? Sorry, not buying it, this was 2001, not 1960. These types of buildings are under constant video surveillance, I can assure you.

No one is talking about lack of cell phone video. Maybe I am way off base, but I would imagine that the Pentagon, White House and Capitol had numerous security cameras monitoring the exterior back in the 80's.