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University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered
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Also, many times I've noticed that the person DD says is delivering my food is not who actually shows up.
Of course, most of my DD orders go to a bar… so maybe it's a minor dasher issue.
Of course, most of my DD orders go to a bar… so maybe it's a minor dasher issue.
MsDoubleD81 said:
Speculation that he somehow tapped into her account, not placed with his info.
This would notify her that her order has been received and again when it is on the way unless he changed the contact info, which is verifiable.
We don't know how much cyber stalking he was or was not doing on them in the months leading up to this. One of his supposed talents was cloud based law enforcement. He tried to get an internship with Moscow PD on that basis, to help "rural law enforcement" with utilizing cloud based solutions, or words to that effect.MsDoubleD81 said:
Speculation that he somehow tapped into her account, not placed with his info.
Did he have mad crazy hacking skills?
Some killers in recent history have used their victim's phones to text people(possibly order dd) to make people think the victim is still alive. Probably not the case here since we have a good idea when BK was in her area.
Seems like you guys want a mystery to solve so much that you are starting to lose the plot now.
Yes, that's true. But there is something else, those text messages can actually be programed on a delay before processed, apparently. I am not sure how without detection but that homicide detective was talking about it and specifically mention Gladiator Forensics which I provided the link their website a few posts back far beyond my understanding nor expertiseBockaneer said:
Some killers in recent history have used their victim's phones to text people(possibly order dd) to make people think the victim is still alive. Probably not the case here since we have a good idea when BK was in her area.
Door Dash orders are all through the app. We use it all the time and they just leave it outside the door (no knocks or anything) and you get notified on your phone that it has been delivered, along with a pic of the order on your doorstep. It's not uncommon at all to order from a restaurant 8 miles away. It's also not uncommon to place an order at 2:45am and not have it delivered until 4am because there are limited Dashers delivering at the time and/or they are busy.aggiehawg said:
Next queston: How does Door Dash work? Do they text the recipent when they arrive? Do they have instructions as to which door to use and to leave it outside? The affidavit of PC says only that "Xana received a Door Dash order" which is not the same as saying she ordered it nor who paid for it.
Moscow's local Jack in the Box lost their lease and closed back in 2014. The two closest still open in 2022 were in Pullman (just down the road from BK's apartment) and then Lewiston, Idaho over 30 miles away from Moscow.
These investigators interviewed Door Dash and the Pullman Jack in the Box on the timing. Door Dash has a 2:45 AM cut off for placing orders either by phone or online BUT orders can be scheduled for a later delivery. JITB closes from 4AM to 5AM for cleaning the kitchen.
Makes the timing here wonky.
Xana wouldn't have called the JITB or had any interaction with them. The entire order and transaction is done through the DoorDash app.
I don't see how any of this is relevant or makes the timing wonky. It's all very common college behavior.
When you place a DD order, you can see what the expected wait time is before you order. I was just looking at something to possibly order tonight, and the expected wait time for one place is 45-55 minutes. Another one was 15.
You can leave delivery instructions on the order.
The app tracks the driver on a map and sends an alert when the driver is close. Most of the time, the driver sends a message with the picture of where the food was left.
If Xana didn't order it, I'm not sure how she would know it was there (assuming the driver didn't ring the bell, otherwise might have woken the other roommates). Also, if she didn't order, and found food on the porch, she probably would have called someone? Like JITB? DD?
You can leave delivery instructions on the order.
The app tracks the driver on a map and sends an alert when the driver is close. Most of the time, the driver sends a message with the picture of where the food was left.
If Xana didn't order it, I'm not sure how she would know it was there (assuming the driver didn't ring the bell, otherwise might have woken the other roommates). Also, if she didn't order, and found food on the porch, she probably would have called someone? Like JITB? DD?
Also, I remember having to order Gumby's before we even left the bar so we would get it at a reasonable time.
Maybe X and E passed out, woke up, and realized they wanted greasy food.
Maybe X and E passed out, woke up, and realized they wanted greasy food.
Take it up with the homicide detective, Chris McDonough. I posted the link to his stream wherein he was asking about the timing of the Door Dash, proximity to BK's appartment and BK's apparent movements thereafter. The affidavit was ambiguous on the details of the order. Might be nothing of critical import.
I haven't been in college since 1979. I had to schlub my own way to JITB for late night munchies. About the only delivery we had was Dominos and they took checks. My check registers back then had Dominos all over them.
ETA: And do you know what "diet coke" was back then? It was "Tab" as Diet Coke didn't come out until 1982.
I haven't been in college since 1979. I had to schlub my own way to JITB for late night munchies. About the only delivery we had was Dominos and they took checks. My check registers back then had Dominos all over them.
ETA: And do you know what "diet coke" was back then? It was "Tab" as Diet Coke didn't come out until 1982.
Credentials:
Live in a college town and still regularly live in the 1-5am hours.
There is exactly one option for Doordash after 1am here and that's IHOP. …and the order is quite likely to be cancelled.
Live in a college town and still regularly live in the 1-5am hours.
There is exactly one option for Doordash after 1am here and that's IHOP. …and the order is quite likely to be cancelled.
LOL.TexasRebel said:
Credentials:
Live in a college town and still regularly live in the 1-5am hours.
There is exactly one option for Doordash after 1am here and that's IHOP. …and the order is quite likely to be cancelled.
BK wasn't arrested because of a single source touch DNA sample on the snap on a knife sheath. He was not in the CODIS database. No match.
He was caught due to the car. And even that was fortuitous as the first ID's of the car were years that excluded his car. None of the video had the plate number but could see there was no front plate on the vehicle. Again, several states do not require front plates but that narrows the search a bit.
Back to the case at hand…
Couldn't anyone just slap a fake Texas plate on their car and change it back?
Couldn't anyone just slap a fake Texas plate on their car and change it back?
aggiehawg said:BK was circling around the neighborhood at least three times that night. Was he getting his nerve up? Or possibly be waiting for a particular sign or occurrence?JCA1 said:
If the food delivery guy has been cleared, I don't see why the Door Dash order has any significance to anything. What exactly are y'all suggesting?
Xana and Ethan were back at the house by 2AM. They had 45 minutes before Door Dash stopped taking orders but up until that time, would still take orders for future deliveries (say like the next morning for breakfast). So the details of that order, when made, by whom or was Door Dash so swamped that a 2:45 AM order would not get delivered until 4:00AM? Was she advised of that when placing the order? Those communication and the timing are missing from the affidavit.
So you have been partying all night, order from DoorDash but okay not getting food until over an hour later? Just kind of odd how the affidavit is worded about that.
I think he was waiting for the lights to go out.
We do have Dylan stating that everyone was asleep or in their rooms by 4am.
We also have the door dash delivery at 4am.
And we have that BK arrived for the third and final time at 4:04am
It could be that Dylan was aware of the door dash delivery but it was for Xana (name on the bag) and she took it to her room. Dylan may have heard that or seen that and that's where her 4am statement comes from.
BK may not be aware DD was just delivered. A 4am dropoff and that DD driver would be gone to his next dropoff before BK arrived. He sees its all dark, parks in back and enters sometime after 4:05am and is back out and gone by 4:20am. 15 minute window to enter kill 4 people and leave.
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I think there was still a fair amount of activity in the house between 2am and 3:30 at least. We know Madison and Kaylee made 10 calls to her ex bf in that time. And (presumably) Xana made a food order. We know Madison and Kaylee stopped by the food truck on the way home so they were not hungry. Ethan is totally asleep or she ordered for two maybe. But that order was placed by 2:45am we think which means Xana was still up. If she was waiting for that food it makes sense she would be up still.
Anyway that is all just to say BK coming by 3 times makes sense if they were up and lights were on.
I still haven't heard anyone make a case for why BK would have ordered the DD. Why would he want someone, and possibly several people, awakened?
I can't make any sense of that line and unless there is evidence for it, I'm placing that theory into the can of internet sleuths making stuff up.
Seems like the Door Dash is just a wild coincidence that helped established timelines.
I can't make any sense of that line and unless there is evidence for it, I'm placing that theory into the can of internet sleuths making stuff up.
Seems like the Door Dash is just a wild coincidence that helped established timelines.
Yeah, DD had to be a somewhat fluke coincidence and just happened to be the last step to the house fully calming down, lights off, etc. right after that. I would assume BK saw the delivery, but who knows, it's possible he was starting to approach from another side and didn't even see the dude. That's usually a very quick pullup, drop, and bail
Agreed. I have always assumed that the circling the neighborhood was surveillance and getting nerves up. And I actually think if he saw the DD delivery, he would have delayed, but who knows.
One thing I observe in all this is that so many commentators lack the investigatory still of realizing that some information is extraneous. When you read a murder mystery or watch one on tv, all the details matter because authors get to be purposeful in constructing a story including the things that matter. If you are reading a murder mystery, and right around the time of a significant event, the author includes a detail of a random occurrence that happens in the vicinity, but never ties that in, readers would be incensed. But extraneous stuff happens in the real world all the time.
Same thing when you are watching a documentary of a real crime. They editors do not include all sorts of information that investigators know about that ultimately becomes white noise.
But real investigators have to deal with the white noise all the time, and they do not yet know what is noise and what is a lead at the beginning. It is one of the many things that separates a really good investigator from a bad one, or more, from regular Joe's like most of us.
One thing I observe in all this is that so many commentators lack the investigatory still of realizing that some information is extraneous. When you read a murder mystery or watch one on tv, all the details matter because authors get to be purposeful in constructing a story including the things that matter. If you are reading a murder mystery, and right around the time of a significant event, the author includes a detail of a random occurrence that happens in the vicinity, but never ties that in, readers would be incensed. But extraneous stuff happens in the real world all the time.
Same thing when you are watching a documentary of a real crime. They editors do not include all sorts of information that investigators know about that ultimately becomes white noise.
But real investigators have to deal with the white noise all the time, and they do not yet know what is noise and what is a lead at the beginning. It is one of the many things that separates a really good investigator from a bad one, or more, from regular Joe's like most of us.
Makes you wonder if one of the victims had said something to BK that triggered his behavior.Quote:
Former classmates have revealed Kohberger was heavy-set and the subject of bullying and cruel taunts in middle school.
'The whole clique of popular girls made fun of him in school. They were the cheerleaders and the ones that every kid had crushes on,' another classmate who did not wish to be identified told DailyMail.com.
'They literally tortured him, girls started making fun of him in middle school.'
But Kohberger seemed to turn his life around in high school, where he took up boxing and lost weight.
'He was a totally different person. He worked out constantly and was super aggressive,' the male friend said.
'He had a short fuse and was constantly trying to change his style and personality to fit in with cliques.'
A third former classmate added: 'It's interesting to me that the girls he's accused of killing were nice looking and seemingly popular, much like the ones that made fun of him throughout his childhood.'
People is now saying he was messaging one of the victims on Instagram.
Mention a bunch of unanswered DMs in the "message requests".
Mention a bunch of unanswered DMs in the "message requests".
Quote:
Two weeks before the slayings of four University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused of killing them sent a series of messages to one of the victims on Instagram, an investigator familiar with the case tells PEOPLE.
In late October, an account that authorities believe belonged to Bryan Kohberger sent a greeting to one of the female victims, the source says. When he didn't get a reply, he sent several more messages to her.
"He slid into one of the girls' DMs several times but she didn't respond," the source tells PEOPLE. "Basically, it was just him saying, 'Hey, how are you?' But he did it again and again."
PEOPLEQuote:
Authorities remain tight-lipped about the alleged motive in the attack. They have not publicly discussed the relationship between Kohberger and the victims. Kohberger's now-deleted Instagram account which was viewed by PEOPLE before it was removed followed the accounts of Mogen, Gonclaves and Kernodle, but there was no public interaction.
It's unclear why Kohberger didn't get a response to his messages, but authorities say that the victim may have missed them completely.
"She may not have seen them, because they went into message requests," says the investigation source. (Instagram users are not notified when they receive a message from someone they do not follow back, and the messages go into a special folder.) "We're still trying to determine how aware the victims were of his existence."
"There's no indication that he was getting frustrated with her lack of response," the source adds, "but he was definitely persistent."
That's odd since a few days ago Goncalves' lawyer confirmed no connection between the 4 and BK. I'm sure PEOPLE thinks they are reporting credible information but I question whether or not that was actually his account they got a peak at.
Reserving judgment on this "report" but just wanted to point out that the police have had all of the phones sans BK's since the day of the murders. Upon his arrest on December 30, they had his phone and all of his electronic devices from his apartment and campus office pursuant to search warrants. Search warrants which the Washington court has sealed for at least two months.Sher Thing said:
That's odd since a few days ago Goncalves' lawyer confirmed no connection between the 4 and BK. I'm sure PEOPLE thinks they are reporting credible information but I question whether or not that was actually his account they got a peak at.
Point being, even if he had attempted to scrub his contacts, authorities would have the attempted contacts on the other end.
How would the lawyer know that BK sent several unanswered instagram dm's to one of the victims?Sher Thing said:
That's odd since a few days ago Goncalves' lawyer confirmed no connection between the 4 and BK. I'm sure PEOPLE thinks they are reporting credible information but I question whether or not that was actually his account they got a peak at.
Goncalves' dad, sister, and lawyer have now said that she did not have a stalker and the lawyer said that the four did not have any connection to BK. I'm sure Goncalves' family went digging through her instagram and socials but who knows.
Maybe it was Mogen who had the messages and they just recently found them.
Maybe it was Mogen who had the messages and they just recently found them.
Those young folks would have had nothing to do with that pencil neck coward.
Did anyone else hear one of the former acquaintances of BK say on Dateline that he had a heroin addiction? I haven't heard that anywhere else, and I'm wondering if I just made that up in my head.
ETA: the addiction was years ago.
ETA: the addiction was years ago.
Nope. You didn't.
It's been mentioned.
It's been mentioned.
PA24 said:
Those young folks would have had nothing to do with that pencil neck coward.
Agree. This is why I tend to believe the unanswered dm's to one of the girls pissing him off theory.
If that is the case it's likely going to be Madison. She was the intended target in my opinion. He went straight to her room.
Kaylee was just there. And Xana heard him or just spooked him when she saw the open door and said "there's someone here" and he went after her and killed Ethan who was sleeping.
The Goncalves family could be unaware of any connection to one of the other girls. I'm sure they are certain about Kaylee, but the police might not even tell them if they found a connection to another girl. So when they say no connection Kaylee that could be correct and all that they know.
As for the lawyer - again he may not know everything - but "no connection" to the 4 is a true statement as well even if he DM'ed one of them. If they did not answer they had no connection to him. In a manner of speaking.
Kaylee was just there. And Xana heard him or just spooked him when she saw the open door and said "there's someone here" and he went after her and killed Ethan who was sleeping.
The Goncalves family could be unaware of any connection to one of the other girls. I'm sure they are certain about Kaylee, but the police might not even tell them if they found a connection to another girl. So when they say no connection Kaylee that could be correct and all that they know.
As for the lawyer - again he may not know everything - but "no connection" to the 4 is a true statement as well even if he DM'ed one of them. If they did not answer they had no connection to him. In a manner of speaking.
OMG.....DM is involved. [/this board]TexasRebel said:
People is now saying he was messaging one of the victims on Instagram.
Mention a bunch of unanswered DMs in the "message requests".
As usual, i think this is spot on. This might be a little crass, but Madison was definitely the most attractive one that would be the presumed target based on logic. They were definitely all pretty girls, but Kaylee was a little overweight and Xana doesn't seem to be the likely target and seemingly was just getting food at the wrong time.Zombie Jon Snow said:
If that is the case it's likely going to be Madison. She was the intended target in my opinion. He went straight to her room.
Kaylee was just there. And Xana heard him or just spooked him when she saw the open door and said "there's someone here" and he went after her and killed Ethan who was sleeping.
The Goncalves family could be unaware of any connection to one of the other girls. I'm sure they are certain about Kaylee, but the police might not even tell them if they found a connection to another girl. So when they say no connection Kaylee that could be correct and all that they know.
As for the lawyer - again he may not know everything - but "no connection" to the 4 is a true statement as well even if he DM'ed one of them. If they did not answer they had no connection to him. In a manner of speaking.
In fact, it actually makes sense that he heard Xana get up and start moving around downstairs which might have spooked him to think that somebody was aware he was there. That might also explain him forgetting the sheath and he turned his focus to the unpllanned act of going after Xana.
Diet Cokehead said:As usual, i think this is spot on. This might be a little crass, but Madison was definitely the most attractive one that would be the presumed target based on logic. They were definitely all pretty girls, but Kaylee was a little overweight and Xana doesn't seem to be the likely target and seemingly was just getting food at the wrong time.Zombie Jon Snow said:
If that is the case it's likely going to be Madison. She was the intended target in my opinion. He went straight to her room.
Kaylee was just there. And Xana heard him or just spooked him when she saw the open door and said "there's someone here" and he went after her and killed Ethan who was sleeping.
The Goncalves family could be unaware of any connection to one of the other girls. I'm sure they are certain about Kaylee, but the police might not even tell them if they found a connection to another girl. So when they say no connection Kaylee that could be correct and all that they know.
As for the lawyer - again he may not know everything - but "no connection" to the 4 is a true statement as well even if he DM'ed one of them. If they did not answer they had no connection to him. In a manner of speaking.
A little overweight? Lol she was a thick very good looking girl. But they all were.
But if it was Madison, I'd think he still pre-planned to kill anyone he stumbled across. He couldn't of believed he's honestly been able to just get to her without anyone else noticing or hearing. Maybe he was that aggressive, who knows
zgolfz85 said:
But if it was Madison, I'd think he still pre-planned to kill anyone he stumbled across. He couldn't of believed he's honestly been able to just get to her without anyone else noticing or hearing. Maybe he was that aggressive, who knows
I mean I'm sure he would do what he needed to but Kaylee wasn't even supposed to be at the house. Had she not been there and no door dash ordered it's very possible he goes upstairs, kills her and slips out.
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