That's impressive!

Do you know if they were asked to pull him over?

Thanks!

I've not seen anything either and that has been burning in my head!

AckerlyAg said:

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I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet. Is there really something to this co-defendant thing or is it just BK trying to create a false trail?

Suspected Idaho Killer Requests Documents Related To ‘Co-Defendant,’ Who Has Never Been Mentioned By Police

Edit: don't know how to posts links but it's an article from Daily Wire

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Right now it looks to me like he is setting up a degree that he was there but didn't commit the murder, the unnamed accomplice is guilty of that. I don't think it matters though who held the knife if someone else was involved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/bryan-kohberger-police-footage-idaho-murders-b2256575.html

"Contrary to reports, the December 15th traffic stops conducted on the vehicle being driven by Bryan Kohberger in Indiana were not requested or directed by the FBI," the statement read.

MsDoubleD81 said:

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I've not seen anything either and that has been burning in my head!

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Ultimately, it really doesn't matter for the charges against BK. Could be important to the Dad, however.

FTR: Billy and Chris believe the Indiana stops were in fact whisper stops done at the behest of the FBI. Not sure I agree with that though. The State Police stop might have been but the earlier County Mountie stop may not have been.

Go to the 54 minute 44 second mark for their discussion about the Dad.

I believe they weren't intentional stops. Pulling him over and spooking him would be idiotic. If you spook him, then you give him a head-start on possibly taking further measures to destroy evidence, like burning that car. That's why they stole dad's trash and not his; they could do it super secret. You don't go from that to pulling him over just to lay eyes on him and his hands

Thank you!!

Dersh's take on possible defenses starts at five minutes in.

Anti-taxxer said:

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I watched both the Dateline and 20/20 episodes about the case. In the Dateline episode, the Indiana police officers said the traffic stops were completely coincidental.

A few pages back, there were several posts that the FBI arranged the stops to get footage of BK.

Anyone know which of these statements is true?

I find it really hard to believe he was pulled over twice in such a short span of time by pure coincidence.

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I believe it was pure coincidence. Biggest reason I say that is the second cop expressed confusion when BK & the dad told him they'd already been pulled over by First Cop in an SUV - Second Cop said, "We don't have SUVs in our fleet", then, "Oh, it must've been City".

Unless Second Cop was just going over the top on his acting job that's not something he'd say if the 2 stops were coordinated.

But I bet that BK thought they were intentional! Especially when the second one happened.

DannyDuberstein said:

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I believe they weren't intentional stops. Pulling him over and spooking him would be idiotic. If you spook him, then you give him a head-start on possibly taking further measures to destroy evidence, like burning that car. That's why they stole dad's trash and not his; they could do it super secret. You don't go from that to pulling him over just to lay eyes on him and his hands

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The stops could be intentional if the investigators had already pinpointed BK from other evidence. It would be easy to attach a tracking/listening device to the car and monitor the movement. The stops may have been used to test whether the father had any knowledge or culpability.

What exactly are you expecting to get from dad in a tailgating stop? The car has potentially huge evidentiary value. Jeopardizing it would be massive idiocy. Dude should have burned that car asap. They could always do what you suggest when he's not with the car

I don't understand the risk-reward analysis on the car stop. The "reward" is very limited. The risk is a killer with nothing to lose either kills a police officer or flees and potentially injures or kills other motorists. Seems like a lot to risk just to see if they act "guilty."

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I don't understand the risk-reward analysis on the car stop. The "reward" is very limited. The risk is a killer with nothing to lose either kills a police officer or flees and potentially injures or kills other motorists. Seems like a lot to risk just to see if they act "guilty."

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Right. There are any number of ways to observe them without alerting them to your presence. Not to mention, a few days later they approach him with a full SWAT team. No way are they sending some lone yocal to pull over a multiple murderer

The story was the stop was to make sure it was still him after their tail lost sight.

The story was…

TexasRebel said:

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The story was the stop was to make sure it was still him after their tail lost sight.

The story was…

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You could have anybody pull up beside them and look over to confirm that. No need to pull anybody over for that.

DannyDuberstein said:

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What exactly are you expecting to get from dad in a tailgating stop? The car has potentially huge evidentiary value. Jeopardizing it would be massive idiocy. Dude should have burned that car asap. They could always do what you suggest when he's not with the car

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From news report……….

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The quadruple murder suspect "cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch," the source, who was briefed on observations made by investigators in the lead-up to Kohberger's arrest, told CNN on condition of anonymity.

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We don't know when Kohberger cleaned his car, but he probably cleaned the car right after the murders if he had any common sense.

I am not saying that the stops were intentional, just that I would not be surprised if they were. Two stops that close together are an amazing coincidence.

People clean and still leave evidence all the time. All sorts of cracks, crevices, and fabric in a car

Long car trip, some people are habitual tailgaters and it's very dangerous. Coincidence is the only logical explanation. It happens more than one would think

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I don't understand the risk-reward analysis on the car stop. The "reward" is very limited. The risk is a killer with nothing to lose either kills a police officer or flees and potentially injures or kills other motorists. Seems like a lot to risk just to see if they act "guilty."

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Neither do I but then again I'm not so sure of the timeline in identifying the car, then BK's name associated with the car. From what I have read and seen, November 29th was the date when they received the car info from WSU, complete with his name. Then they ran a check on the name and got a hit on the August 21, 2022 traffic stop (not wearing a seatbelt, IIRC) but you have him on body-cam providing his cell phone number.

Then they would have to get a very limited search warrant for that phone number for the days preceding and then after the murders. Those results then lead directly to the broadening of the warrant for the cell phone info including the cell phone tower pings to match up with the video evidence of a white Elantra. And later a blanket warrant for all cell phone data going back to June 2022. I don't think the police received all of that info until December 22-23 time frame.

Dec 7th is when the request for assistance from the public regarding the white Elantra was made. (If I am wrong on that date, happy to be corrected.)

The two Indiana traffic stops were on 12/15 and they stated they had been driving a day or so. However, license plate reader in Colorado on Dec 13th caught the car passing through Loma, CO. Maybe they left Pullman late on the 12th? Very early on the 13th?

When did the police learn he had left the area? We don't know yet.

ETA: Going to partially correct myself.

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Moscow police put an alert out to local law enforcement to look for a white Elantra on Nov. 25 as they searched for the killer.

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The next week, on Dec. 7, Moscow detectives said they wanted to speak with the occupants of a white Hyundai Elantra that was found in the area of the off-campus home where the four students were killed.

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LINK

Agreed.

At the very least it might be telling that the accused was driving poorly enough to get stopped twice in a narrow window.

DannyDuberstein said:

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People clean and still leave evidence all the time. All sorts of cracks, crevices, and fabric in a car

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If he ditched his clothes right after the murders, there would only be the front seat area and the trunk that he would have to clean. If he wore shoe covers he would dispose of those along with the shoes, and he would also dispose of the second set of clothes that he changed into. Chemical solutions and numerous vacuums would eliminate most evidence.

DannyDuberstein said:

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People clean and still leave evidence all the time. All sorts of cracks, crevices, and fabric in a car

Long car trip, some people are habitual tailgaters and it's very dangerous. Coincidence is the only logical explanation. It happens more than one would think

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True. And the type of cleaning agent used, also leave traces that can be identified forensically. Bleach being a standard one.

One thing I have wondered about is if he had seat covers in his car? He then could have removed and disposed of them after the murders, maybe?

Bleach won't work as good as something like Vanish detergent/soap. The cleaners like vanish/Tide Ozy that are oxygen based get rid of the DNA completely and also wipe out any UV light evidence.

BurnetAggie99 said:

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Bleach won't work as good as something like Vanish detergent/soap. The cleaners like vanish/Tide Ozy that are oxygen based get rid of the DNA completely and also wipe out any UV light evidence.

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Thanks. Did not know that.

As mentioned, not all cleaning products are equal and bleach is a common one where people assume more than it does. Also, check out your steering wheel, gear shift, headlight, blinker, seatbelt, seatbelt latch. All sorts of cracks for small drop/smear of blood to seep into and/or fabric to absorb it, not get sufficiently cleaned, and not noticed. May look pristine, but rub a swab in there and send to a lab, may be surprised. This idiot left a knife sheath behind. I'd question how careful he was in disrobing/cleaning himself up before hopping in that car, with the result being more chances he left some traces

Only reason I knew that is I have a buddy I served with in the Marines that works for NCIS and that's what he told me. He said that not a lot of criminals know that using a cleaner that is oxygen based like I mentioned in my other post will destroy all DNA and any trace of blood.

Kinda makes sense though cause that type of cleaner works well getting blood out of clothes.

this is why i keep barrels of lye in the basement.

That guy just arrested for his missing wife bought $450 of cleaning products and still left a trove of blood evidence

I figured the husband was the guy as there was a history of domestic violence and abuse.

aggiehawg said:

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Dec 7th is when the request for assistance from the public regarding the white Elantra was made. (If I am wrong on that date, happy to be corrected.)

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I'm really wondering if they deliberately released that information to see how he would react.

DannyDuberstein said:

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The guy at Home Depot buying a tarp, zip ties, a shovel, and bleach - amateur. The guy buying a tarp, zip ties, a shovel, and Oxyclean - be careful with him.

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Most likely a crime of passion by hubby. Won't take much evidence to convict him by his peers.

Our small dick creep who butchered these young folks, a jury with a few progressive weirdos could Give justice fits, even with the best of evidence.

MsDoubleD81 said:

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I'm starting to wonder about some of my fellow TexAgers!

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Yep, a lot of info from Ags how to get rid of evidence.