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The parent's house didn't look fancy by any stretch. Looked like it was likely an older gated community and I think the "gated" bit was overstating how nice or valuable the home is

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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What is the range on that???

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As 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger awaits extradition to Idaho to face murder charges, questions are mounting about how police were able to name their suspect in the high-profile quadruple murder.
Sources tell ABC News that a DNA sample and a public genealogy database may have played a role in identifying Kohberger in Pennsylvania.

"In 99 our of 100 stabbing deaths, the killer is going to injure himself, especially when there was a struggle. So most likely the killer's blood was at the scene," said Colleen Fitzpatrick, of Identifiners International.

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Fitzpatrick didn't work on the Kohberger case, but has helped solve other high profile cases. She was instrumental in finding out the identity of the child known as the boy in the box. He was discovered in 1957, but his identity was just revealed in late 2022. She used the same database to find relatives.

"This is a revolution in human identification. We are benefiting from it," she said.

Once law enforcement obtains DNA of a potential suspect, they create a profile of it and it's then run through an FBI database. If there are no matches, then they can move to a public database.

There are two that law enforcement can get access to solve homicides and sexual assaults: GenMatch and Family Tree DNA. These are sites where people voluntarily upload their data, and can allow police to search for matches.

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Once a suspect is identified via genealogy, the police continue the investigation.

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Undercover or covert teams then follow the suspect and surreptitiously obtain a sample from them in order to compare it to the sample found at the crime scene, that was used in the DNA tracing.

[CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives] who has turned over similar evidence to cops 250 times through her company says this part of the process is often carried out in the same way it is portrayed in films and TV shows.
'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator it's not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We'll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It's a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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They should stop for fuel in Indiana!!!

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aggiehawg said:

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More on the open source genealogy sites.

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As 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger awaits extradition to Idaho to face murder charges, questions are mounting about how police were able to name their suspect in the high-profile quadruple murder.
Sources tell ABC News that a DNA sample and a public genealogy database may have played a role in identifying Kohberger in Pennsylvania.

"In 99 our of 100 stabbing deaths, the killer is going to injure himself, especially when there was a struggle. So most likely the killer's blood was at the scene," said Colleen Fitzpatrick, of Identifiners International.

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Fitzpatrick didn't work on the Kohberger case, but has helped solve other high profile cases. She was instrumental in finding out the identity of the child known as the boy in the box. He was discovered in 1957, but his identity was just revealed in late 2022. She used the same database to find relatives.

"This is a revolution in human identification. We are benefiting from it," she said.

Once law enforcement obtains DNA of a potential suspect, they create a profile of it and it's then run through an FBI database. If there are no matches, then they can move to a public database.

There are two that law enforcement can get access to solve homicides and sexual assaults: GenMatch and Family Tree DNA. These are sites where people voluntarily upload their data, and can allow police to search for matches.

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Once a suspect is identified via genealogy, the police continue the investigation.

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Undercover or covert teams then follow the suspect and surreptitiously obtain a sample from them in order to compare it to the sample found at the crime scene, that was used in the DNA tracing.

[CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives] who has turned over similar evidence to cops 250 times through her company says this part of the process is often carried out in the same way it is portrayed in films and TV shows.
'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator it's not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We'll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It's a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

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Soo, they consider themselves a source for tips? No warrant required? Unsure what to think about that.

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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They should stop for fuel in Indiana!!!

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Looks like Kansas City to me.

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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What is the link for live following?

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I know there have been cases where authorities tracked family trees back to the 1800s in order to identify a partial DNA match. You hear about all the cold cases that have cleared by raiding open-source DNA sites, but there have also been cases of innocent people being hounded by police.

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I know there have been cases where authorities tracked family trees back to the 1800s in order to identify a partial DNA match. You hear about all the cold cases that have cleared by raiding open-source DNA sites, but there have also been cases of innocent people being hounded by police.

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What doesn't pass the smell test for me is the language about the police still having to do parallel construction of evidence. That's the language used by prosecutors and investigators to get around fruit of the poisonous tree issues.

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tk for tu juan said:

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So, bathroom break at Willard Airport? Switching planes?

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tk for tu juan said:

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So, bathroom break at Willard Airport? Switching planes?

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The airport gained some notoriety for a January 21, 1998, incident in which Air Force One became stuck in mud, requiring a backup aircraft to transport President Bill Clinton from a speaking engagement at the University of Illinois' Assembly Hall. The pilot opted to enter the main taxiway from the ramp using a feeder taxiway with an unusually large angle. Due to the wide turn, the right main gear left the taxiway and slipped into the soft turf, causing the aircraft to be lodged in the mud. The Air Force dispatched backup aircraft SAM26000, which first entered service during the Kennedy Administration and would be retired later in 1998

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Emotional Support Cobra said:

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Omg omg did they surreptitiously collect DNA on the first traffic stop? That would be super bad ass.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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They should stop for fuel in Indiana!!!

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Looks like Kansas City to me.

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Now in Illinois, took a turn to the NW.

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aggiehawg said:

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What bothers me is a person can become a suspect without traditional assumptions of probable cause, all because some distant relative they may not even know submitted their DNA to 23andMe. I find the whole concept very creepy and invasive.

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aggiehawg said:

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What bothers me is a person can become a suspect without traditional assumptions of probable cause, all because some distant relative they may not even know submitted their DNA to 23andMe. I find the whole concept very creepy and invasive.

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Agree. Very uneasy about how this is being used.

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aggiehawg said:

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What bothers me is a person can become a suspect without traditional assumptions of probable cause, all because some distant relative they may not even know submitted their DNA to 23andMe. I find the whole concept very creepy and invasive.

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Agree. Very uneasy about how this is being used.

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I share that unease but can't put my finger on whose rights and what Constitutional or statutory rights are being violated. Any thoughts on that?

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I certainly get that but family is more valuable than money and comfort.

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I'll never understand why people put so much stock in family just because they're family. Why should you trust, depend on, or even love them just because they're family? If your dad raised you well and is a great guy, you should love him but not because he happens to share your DNA. The same goes for siblings and cousins and so on. Children are a little different because most people have a part in shaping them as people, but there has to be a line.

Friends are what matters in life because you choose those. If your family happen to be your friends, that's awesome, but not required.

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aggiehawg said:

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What bothers me is a person can become a suspect without traditional assumptions of probable cause, all because some distant relative they may not even know submitted their DNA to 23andMe. I find the whole concept very creepy and invasive.

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Agree. Very uneasy about how this is being used.

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Do these DNA sites do any sort of ID verification? Could a criminal submit their dna samples to a genealogy site under fake names so the police would momentarily be on a wild goose chase?

I know that seems completely ridiculous, but that's where my mind went.

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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They should stop for fuel in Indiana!!!

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tk for tu juan said:

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Back in the air

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aggiehawg said:

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More on the open source genealogy sites.

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As 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger awaits extradition to Idaho to face murder charges, questions are mounting about how police were able to name their suspect in the high-profile quadruple murder.
Sources tell ABC News that a DNA sample and a public genealogy database may have played a role in identifying Kohberger in Pennsylvania.

"In 99 our of 100 stabbing deaths, the killer is going to injure himself, especially when there was a struggle. So most likely the killer's blood was at the scene," said Colleen Fitzpatrick, of Identifiners International.

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Fitzpatrick didn't work on the Kohberger case, but has helped solve other high profile cases. She was instrumental in finding out the identity of the child known as the boy in the box. He was discovered in 1957, but his identity was just revealed in late 2022. She used the same database to find relatives.

"This is a revolution in human identification. We are benefiting from it," she said.

Once law enforcement obtains DNA of a potential suspect, they create a profile of it and it's then run through an FBI database. If there are no matches, then they can move to a public database.

There are two that law enforcement can get access to solve homicides and sexual assaults: GenMatch and Family Tree DNA. These are sites where people voluntarily upload their data, and can allow police to search for matches.

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Once a suspect is identified via genealogy, the police continue the investigation.

Quote:

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Undercover or covert teams then follow the suspect and surreptitiously obtain a sample from them in order to compare it to the sample found at the crime scene, that was used in the DNA tracing.

[CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives] who has turned over similar evidence to cops 250 times through her company says this part of the process is often carried out in the same way it is portrayed in films and TV shows.
'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator it's not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We'll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It's a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

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Soo, they consider themselves a source for tips? No warrant required? Unsure what to think about that.

LINK

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