Still the PA State Police registered aircraft

tk for tu juan said:

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Still the PA State Police registered aircraft

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Thanks.

Thought I had heard this morning the Marshals would be involved in his transfer.

It's a turbine engine goes about 300 mph minus winds.

Head wind slower

Tail win faster.

Rated to 30,000'

Single engine.

I had thought they might switch planes, if anything for security to minimize time on the ground while refueling. Maybe they will still do that.

ETA on when we will know all details?

not hedge said:

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ETA on when we will know all details?

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Of the murders? A year or two when it goes to trial.

Damn, that's unfortunate

ntxVol said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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BQ78 said:

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I certainly get that but family is more valuable than money and comfort.

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I'll never understand why people put so much stock in family just because they're family. Why should you trust, depend on, or even love them just because they're family? If your dad raised you well and is a great guy, you should love him but not because he happens to share your DNA. The same goes for siblings and cousins and so on. Children are a little different because most people have a part in shaping them as people, but there has to be a line.

Friends are what matters in life because you choose those. If your family happen to be your friends, that's awesome, but not required.

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I guess the correct answer is it depends.

Some of us have stronger ties to our relatives than others it seems. Some families are close and those bonds are tight, others not so much.

It makes me sad to see someone without those strong families ties but, I get it. Guess I am just lucky.

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That's the point, though. If you didn't like your family, you wouldn't have strong ties to them. So it's not that they share DNA with you, it's that they generally treat you well.

Currently flying about 280 mph @ 22,000'

chickencoupe16 said:

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ntxVol said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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BQ78 said:

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I certainly get that but family is more valuable than money and comfort.

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I'll never understand why people put so much stock in family just because they're family. Why should you trust, depend on, or even love them just because they're family? If your dad raised you well and is a great guy, you should love him but not because he happens to share your DNA. The same goes for siblings and cousins and so on. Children are a little different because most people have a part in shaping them as people, but there has to be a line.

Friends are what matters in life because you choose those. If your family happen to be your friends, that's awesome, but not required.

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I guess the correct answer is it depends.

Some of us have stronger ties to our relatives than others it seems. Some families are close and those bonds are tight, others not so much.

It makes me sad to see someone without those strong families ties but, I get it. Guess I am just lucky.

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That's the point, though. If you didn't like your family, you wouldn't have strong ties to them. So it's not that they share DNA with you, it's that they generally treat you well.

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I believe they mean genetically stronger ties...I have much more in common genetically with my dads side of the family than my moms

Would be extremely shocking if evidence turned out BK isn't the murderer

Video of the other Indiana traffic stop. Seems like both were a coincidence. Weird to here the first thing they bring up is the shooting at WSU the day before.

The Hancock County Sheriff’s Office has released the Dec. 15 traffic stop involving Bryan Kohberger in Indiana. This stop was before the other stop by Indiana State Police. pic.twitter.com/NX25k0ojHM

— Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) January 4, 2023

not hedge said:

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Would be extremely shocking if evidence turned out BK isn't the murderer

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It would be a disaster. Extremely difficult to try two different people such as a mass murder in different trials. Nearly impossible to use the same evidence against another person, particularly DNA evidence.

Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

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My hunch is that those stops are not random or unlucky. I think they were part of the surveillance. I can think of several scenarios. The one that makes most sense to me is the the was being watched across the trip... they lost track of him for a while, this stop was to verify it was him. They gathered some intel, in this video the cop asked where he came from and where he was going. The second stop was just because word didn't make it to that guy that they didn't need him anymore. Or possibly, to verify that Bryan didn't spook and change course.

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Good theory

I thought the first stop was for speeding and the second for tailgating.

Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

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My hunch is that those stops are not random or unlucky. I think they were part of the surveillance. I can think of several scenarios. The one that makes most sense to me is the the was being watched across the trip... they lost track of him for a while, this stop was to verify it was him. They gathered some intel, in this video the cop asked where he came from and where he was going. The second stop was just because word didn't make it to that guy that they didn't need him anymore. Or possibly, to verify that Bryan didn't spook and change course.

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For those who believe that this dude was being watched and was known when stopped, is that something that LE regularly does -- let a suspected deranged murderer mosey across the country to get home?

What if just after these two stops, dude is aggravated and rolls into a diner and hacks 10 people to death? That's a lot of blood on LE hands. Seems like a risky proposition to just check on him without detaining him.

BQ78 said:

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I thought the first stop was for speeding and the second for tailgating.

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Apparently not. Both for tailgating.

The warden says during his stay at the MCCF, Kohberger was on suicide watch for his safety and describes his confinement as “uneventful.”

— Brian Sheehan (@BSheehanTV) January 4, 2023

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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

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My hunch is that those stops are not random or unlucky. I think they were part of the surveillance. I can think of several scenarios. The one that makes most sense to me is the the was being watched across the trip... they lost track of him for a while, this stop was to verify it was him. They gathered some intel, in this video the cop asked where he came from and where he was going. The second stop was just because word didn't make it to that guy that they didn't need him anymore. Or possibly, to verify that Bryan didn't spook and change course.

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Good theory

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They do that but it would be a stronger theory if there wasn't such a long delay in the arrest once they arrived in PA and if there were at least 2 officers on scene both times but in the vids it appears only one officer onsite. Both locations the traffic appears pretty heavy, not a good place to have it get out of control. DHS already got a NM officer killed in a routine stop when he was not informed he was pulling over a known murder suspect. The first one the officer has his hand close but not on sidearm, maybe have settled down after getting a view in the car, the second stop cant tell at all. The dashcams would show more including if he was following too close, but no officer knowingly walks up to a murder suspect without his hand on sidearm and rarely alone unless we get into active shooter stuff.

Certainly odd conversation with dad bringing up a mass shooter incident at WSU? I must have missed that.

With FBI they could have pinged the cells across the country and easier attached a GPS to the car.

aggiehawg said:

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More on the open source genealogy sites.

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As 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger awaits extradition to Idaho to face murder charges, questions are mounting about how police were able to name their suspect in the high-profile quadruple murder.
Sources tell ABC News that a DNA sample and a public genealogy database may have played a role in identifying Kohberger in Pennsylvania.

"In 99 our of 100 stabbing deaths, the killer is going to injure himself, especially when there was a struggle. So most likely the killer's blood was at the scene," said Colleen Fitzpatrick, of Identifiners International.

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Fitzpatrick didn't work on the Kohberger case, but has helped solve other high profile cases. She was instrumental in finding out the identity of the child known as the boy in the box. He was discovered in 1957, but his identity was just revealed in late 2022. She used the same database to find relatives.

"This is a revolution in human identification. We are benefiting from it," she said.

Once law enforcement obtains DNA of a potential suspect, they create a profile of it and it's then run through an FBI database. If there are no matches, then they can move to a public database.

There are two that law enforcement can get access to solve homicides and sexual assaults: GenMatch and Family Tree DNA. These are sites where people voluntarily upload their data, and can allow police to search for matches.

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LINK

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Once a suspect is identified via genealogy, the police continue the investigation.

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Undercover or covert teams then follow the suspect and surreptitiously obtain a sample from them in order to compare it to the sample found at the crime scene, that was used in the DNA tracing.

[CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives] who has turned over similar evidence to cops 250 times through her company says this part of the process is often carried out in the same way it is portrayed in films and TV shows.
'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator it's not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We'll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It's a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

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Soo, they consider themselves a source for tips? No warrant required? Unsure what to think about that.

LINK

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I was wondering the same thing. Seems to fly in the face of an illegal search of my property without warrant (4th amendment) and self incrimination (5th amendment).

If you watch the (I think 2nd) video he is being shady and tells the cop they are going for food. His dad is like, oh yes. We are traveling from WSU in washington and we are headed home to Pennsylvania, etc.

This is precisely what would happen if it was me and my mom. They would know my birth story and trying to escape by the time it is over.

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themissinglink said:

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Video of the other Indiana traffic stop. Seems like both were a coincidence. Weird to here the first thing they bring up is the shooting at WSU the day before.

The Hancock County Sheriff’s Office has released the Dec. 15 traffic stop involving Bryan Kohberger in Indiana. This stop was before the other stop by Indiana State Police. pic.twitter.com/NX25k0ojHM

— Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) January 4, 2023

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Where you from, where are you going, what do you do? Pet peeve of mine, what does any of that have to do with following too close?

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"Hello officer, here is my license and registration and insurance.

I don't answer questions, thank you."

agracer said:

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I was wondering the same thing. Seems to fly in the face of an illegal search of my property without warrant (4th amendment) and self incrimination (5th amendment).

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I have essentially told an officer to F off for asking me those questions. Told him it was none of his business. I was very polite at the beginning of the stop, but he was giving me a ticket for expired registration 4 days after it expired. I wasn't getting out of the ticket either way. Pissed me off.

HtownAg92 said:

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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

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My hunch is that those stops are not random or unlucky. I think they were part of the surveillance. I can think of several scenarios. The one that makes most sense to me is the the was being watched across the trip... they lost track of him for a while, this stop was to verify it was him. They gathered some intel, in this video the cop asked where he came from and where he was going. The second stop was just because word didn't make it to that guy that they didn't need him anymore. Or possibly, to verify that Bryan didn't spook and change course.

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For those who believe that this dude was being watched and was known when stopped, is that something that LE regularly does -- let a suspected deranged murderer mosey across the country to get home?

What if just after these two stops, dude is aggravated and rolls into a diner and hacks 10 people to death? That's a lot of blood on LE hands. Seems like a risky proposition to just check on him without detaining him.

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I don't think they had enough evidence yet for a warrant and I don't think this would be typical directed stop in this case. You don't send a single black & white on this risky of a stop and then send 50 SWAT at 3AM on a no nock raid with aerial intel assets overhead. IN is a known stop, warn, let go state.

I spent 2 years in some nasty crap pulling surveillance on drug runners. The majority of the time we used DPS or BP to pull over a car for a routine traffic violation legit or not to protect the investigative aspect of the operation. We would always be near for backup but the marked units were already informed and have their own backups with or behind them.

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aggiehawg said:

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More on the open source genealogy sites.

Quote:

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As 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger awaits extradition to Idaho to face murder charges, questions are mounting about how police were able to name their suspect in the high-profile quadruple murder.
Sources tell ABC News that a DNA sample and a public genealogy database may have played a role in identifying Kohberger in Pennsylvania.

"In 99 our of 100 stabbing deaths, the killer is going to injure himself, especially when there was a struggle. So most likely the killer's blood was at the scene," said Colleen Fitzpatrick, of Identifiners International.

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Fitzpatrick didn't work on the Kohberger case, but has helped solve other high profile cases. She was instrumental in finding out the identity of the child known as the boy in the box. He was discovered in 1957, but his identity was just revealed in late 2022. She used the same database to find relatives.

"This is a revolution in human identification. We are benefiting from it," she said.

Once law enforcement obtains DNA of a potential suspect, they create a profile of it and it's then run through an FBI database. If there are no matches, then they can move to a public database.

There are two that law enforcement can get access to solve homicides and sexual assaults: GenMatch and Family Tree DNA. These are sites where people voluntarily upload their data, and can allow police to search for matches.

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LINK

Quote:

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Once a suspect is identified via genealogy, the police continue the investigation.

Quote:

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Undercover or covert teams then follow the suspect and surreptitiously obtain a sample from them in order to compare it to the sample found at the crime scene, that was used in the DNA tracing.

[CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives] who has turned over similar evidence to cops 250 times through her company says this part of the process is often carried out in the same way it is portrayed in films and TV shows.
'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator it's not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We'll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It's a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

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Soo, they consider themselves a source for tips? No warrant required? Unsure what to think about that.

LINK

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I was wondering the same thing. Seems to fly in the face of an illegal search of my property without warrant (4th amendment) and self incrimination (5th amendment).

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Never done one of those family DNA things, but do you sign any sort of waiver when you submit? I'm sure there is something in there about court order or law enforcement purposes.

Every lawyer in Texas has to be fingerprinted to be licensed. I doubt I have much recourse if my prints come up at a crime scene and are matched using state bar prints that I "voluntarily" submitted. Probably the same when you send off your genetic material to a service.

agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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More on the open source genealogy sites.

Quote:

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As 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger awaits extradition to Idaho to face murder charges, questions are mounting about how police were able to name their suspect in the high-profile quadruple murder.
Sources tell ABC News that a DNA sample and a public genealogy database may have played a role in identifying Kohberger in Pennsylvania.

"In 99 our of 100 stabbing deaths, the killer is going to injure himself, especially when there was a struggle. So most likely the killer's blood was at the scene," said Colleen Fitzpatrick, of Identifiners International.

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Quote:

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Fitzpatrick didn't work on the Kohberger case, but has helped solve other high profile cases. She was instrumental in finding out the identity of the child known as the boy in the box. He was discovered in 1957, but his identity was just revealed in late 2022. She used the same database to find relatives.

"This is a revolution in human identification. We are benefiting from it," she said.

Once law enforcement obtains DNA of a potential suspect, they create a profile of it and it's then run through an FBI database. If there are no matches, then they can move to a public database.

There are two that law enforcement can get access to solve homicides and sexual assaults: GenMatch and Family Tree DNA. These are sites where people voluntarily upload their data, and can allow police to search for matches.

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LINK

Quote:

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Once a suspect is identified via genealogy, the police continue the investigation.

Quote:

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Undercover or covert teams then follow the suspect and surreptitiously obtain a sample from them in order to compare it to the sample found at the crime scene, that was used in the DNA tracing.

[CeCe Moore, Chief Genetic Genealogist at Parabon Nanolabs and the founder of DNA Detectives] who has turned over similar evidence to cops 250 times through her company says this part of the process is often carried out in the same way it is portrayed in films and TV shows.
'Genetic genealogy is only a lead generator it's not evidence.

'It can't be used to arrest anyone or in a warrant. We'll write a report up, explain how we came to this conclusion, then law enforcement have to take this information and do a full investigation. It's a highly scientific tip but police still have to start from scratch once they get it.

'They have to go and collect their DNA, which they do by following them. We've heard that's what happened in this case.

'People don't get arrested based on my work alone.

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Soo, they consider themselves a source for tips? No warrant required? Unsure what to think about that.

LINK

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I was wondering the same thing. Seems to fly in the face of an illegal search of my property without warrant (4th amendment) and self incrimination (5th amendment).

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Your trash especially at the curb is no longer protected and is a gold mine.

just clicked on this thread... so they got a suspect and hes being flown back to face charges, what city is he being flown back to? never mind.. just saw rapid city iowa

this is all so creepy.. i read a few pages back..

I would assume he has to initially go to Moscow. They may house him in Couer d'Alene after that.

Landing in Rapid City, SD at the moment.

** I would think they'll fly him into Pullman, WA.

Plane down in Rapid City? Are they taking breaks?

fullback44 said:

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just clicked on this thread... so they got a suspect and hes being flown back to face charges, what city is he being flown back to?

this is all so creepy.. i read a few pages back..

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Assume Boise, Pullman or maybe Spokane? Boise is the most likely, then he'll be transported to Moscow, Idaho via car.

CuriousAg said:

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Plane down in Rapid City? Are they taking breaks?

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I am sure re-fueling and breaks.