University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered

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It would have to be, wouldn't you think? Most people probably go years without being pulled over by not driving like a fleeing murderer. To get stopped 2 times on one trip doesn't seem like something that normally would happen.

That training appears to be ripe for abuse. Not sure what the "suspicious behaviors" entails, but it seems the police could claim it for anything, like slamming on the brakes when entering a speed trap.
I would argue he was pulled over because he was driving a make and model of a car that the entire world was looking for.
Couple of notes on this:

The LEAs put out request for help on the white elantra on December 7th.

  • They may have already had BK IDd as a suspect at that time and were surveilling him to gain further evidence for guilty conviction in his response to the BOLO on the car. Body Cam footage from the MIP/PI officers so close to house and time could have been the original source for the Elantra and identified much earlier. Vids looked edited to me and they never provided original source of the Elantra.
  • If your one of 90 owners in the area, likely 89 of you called it in stating hey I have that car and here is my story. BK not calling in his own car is evidence but I also won't be surprised if he did and gave a BS alibi.
  • Or they may have not known BK as suspect at that time but given tips on who has white Elantra even campus parking pass info could have found relatively quickly. A motivated team could have gone through those rather quickly especially prioritizing male owners which might drop that 90 by 75-95%+ with crossing off after vetting owners who did already call on themselves.

December 8th an odd makeup of LEAs (feds) go through the incident house for less than an hour taking nothing in nor out. Significant effort to hide faces. FWIW I believe LEA had their suspect IDd or were getting very close as of this date and this team was on station to surveil and or possibly make an arrest in the coming days. The house visit being a get to know your enemy action.

December 17th supposed arrival in PA via drive with father. Google maps states 37 hour drive. 2 drivers likely means left Pullman on the 13th or 14th December. CNN states authorities followed them home but not LEA confirmed yet.

IF IDd on the 8th from car or DNA that gave investigators only 5-6 days to build case/evidence against him for warrant before his departure from WA/ID. That's not a lot without a smoking gun. Thats going back through all evidence to date and more from weeks before Nov 13th working to build a timeline of BKS actions and whereabouts that both proves guilt directly and or leads to more evidence such as an odd drive out to deep lake. This is way more intensive/complicated than looking for owner of white elantra.

December 30th arrested. So 13 more days of surveillance in PA while investigators locally in ID/WA continue to build case plus slow down at holidays.

BK lawyer states two traffic stops occurred in IN almost back to back. This could have been pure coincidence as many have reported IN is known as a trap and they do this to keep DWI other crimes to a minimum often pulling over without citation given. ISP has stated they have no record of the stops buy this does not mean they did not occur. This also could have been a directed stop by the investigative team either for a response that helps prove guilt and or various other reasons. This not out of the ordinary, but given the delay in the arrest from 17 to 30th likely just a coincidence or he was a very very cool cat during those stops.

A few more days and we should all know for sure once he has had his initial appearance in ID. I suspect he is looking for his one day of fame as an evil piece of ***** Either way once he enters prison he will be the prey not the predator.

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I understand his father's trip is being reported as "pre-planned."

I just wonder if Mom and Dad were having discussions as the case unfolded. Surely, they had to have a blip of concern when authorities were looking for a White Elantra and knew their son was remotely close to the murder site/ studying criminology.

Did Dad fly out to check on son? Possibly knew that his son did it when getting pulled over, but was insistent on getting him home one last time?
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On those stops in Indiana... what if he did that on purpose because he sensed he was being followed?

Also, what is LEA? Law Enforcement... Agency? Agent? I'm used to seeing LEO but not LEA.
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It's not at all uncommon for kids to go home for Christmas. What is unusual is for him to drive his car home all the way across the country for Christmas.

Most people in that situation would fly unless they were planning on withdrawing from college.

Which leads to the next question - what does "pre-planned" mean anyway? How much advance planning does it take for it to be "pre-planned"? One month, one week, one day, or even only one hour? The alternative to "pre-planned" is "spontaneous", but how many parents make "spontaneous" drives across the entire continent with their kids.

My take when I read the "pre-planned" description was that it was an attempt by the family to make the trip look less suspicious but in actually meant nothing. Taking the car all the way back to Pennsylvania is not proof of guilt, but it is one more small brick in the wall of evidence against this guy.
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So a college kid is supposed to go home for break, which in college is usually close to a month or so….and just bum rides off their mommy the whole time?
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Jabin said:

It's not at all uncommon for kids to go home for Christmas. What is unusual is for him to drive his car home all the way across the country for Christmas.

Most people in that situation would fly unless they were planning on withdrawing from college.

Which leads to the next question - what does "pre-planned" mean anyway? How much advance planning does it take for it to be "pre-planned"? One month, one week, one day, or even only one hour? The alternative to "pre-planned" is "spontaneous", but how many parents make "spontaneous" drives across the entire continent with their kids.

My take when I read the "pre-planned" description was that it was an attempt by the family to make the trip look less suspicious but in actually meant nothing. Taking the car all the way back to Pennsylvania is not proof of guilt, but it is one more small brick in the wall of evidence against this guy.
My understanding was that it had been planned since the start of the semester in August. I'm sure the police know when the flight was booked.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

So a college kid is supposed to go home for break, which in college is usually close to a month or so….and just bum rides off their mommy the whole time?
Borrow her car? Uber? Friends?
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Wonder if he drove out with him in August?
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Wonder if he drove out with him in August?
He might have. That's a long drive to make by yourself without stopping overnight somewhere. More manageable with two people driving in shifts.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

So a college kid is supposed to go home for break, which in college is usually close to a month or so….and just bum rides off their mommy the whole time?
He's a 28 year old PhD candidate. This isn't a 19 year old coming home for Christmas time with mommy and daddy.

It's a 5000 mile round trip. Totally fair assessment to think it is odd to have your dad come out and drive you back.


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As a parent, I'm sure his dad made the road trip for his son's safety. Lot of crazy people out there!
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I think they intentionally released the wrong year range for the Elantra to the public. That seemed calculated to me.



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This has to be hard for all parents involved. His parents though will be known for his actions forever and reminded daily when they go out in public.
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Bag said:

HtownAg92 said:


It would have to be, wouldn't you think? Most people probably go years without being pulled over by not driving like a fleeing murderer. To get stopped 2 times on one trip doesn't seem like something that normally would happen.

That training appears to be ripe for abuse. Not sure what the "suspicious behaviors" entails, but it seems the police could claim it for anything, like slamming on the brakes when entering a speed trap.
I would argue he was pulled over because he was driving a make and model of a car that the entire world was looking for.


With out of state plates
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I just read from a reporter on Twitter that the traffic stops happened on I-70. That's not really the most direct route according to my map searches. Seems significant to me.

As far as the car, the parents, etc. I would be hesitant to make too many judgment on that. Kids these days stay more connected to parents later in life, so while it may be odd in your family, it's not necessarily odd in many. It may say something about BK, but I'm not going to judge the parents. Maybe BK told them he was planning to sell the car and buy a new one. Maybe he was planning a road trip back to see other friends. Maybe he and his dad are close and Dad thought they would enjoy the time together.

My wife and I had this conversation during the Brian Laundrie search and we decided to withold judgement of the family. If one of my kids came home and confessed a terrible crime, I said I'd not help them, but I would not turn them in, either. I'd encourage them to turn themselves in and be repentant. My wife generally agreed but was a little more sympathetic to parents who might have done a little more. You just don't know the relationships, and family is family. I draw the line at willful aid. It would be grueling to watch.

People are quick to judge parents. I have a house full of kids, oldest is an adult, and several teens. All raised with same values, same discipline, and for the most part, all seem to be pretty well adjusted. That being said, there are large differences in their behaviors, and I have seen capabilities within a few of them that are unpredictable and different from siblings. The whole nature/nuture thing comes in to play, and parents have control over the nurture part, but people are hard wired for some things.
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For the trial, how significant is no murder weapon if he ditched it and it's never found? At that point you are relying on electronic fencing and DNA at the scene, maybe in his car?

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Also, does this automatically get a change of venue? Moscow is tiny for a jury pool.

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

Also, does this automatically get a change of venue? Moscow is tiny for a jury pool.
There is also the issue of the public defender's office being all contractors, one of which is the coroner who performed some or all of the autopsies.

If he can't afford a defense team, that is. No clue what will happen once he gets back to Idaho.
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College winter break is so long, tons drive home in spite of long distances. I wouldn't make much of it
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Here's the route from Google maps.
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:


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no he doesn't that's the bullet proof vest he is on...
Yes the press is awful. Some "expert" was tweeting that his "intimidating size" of 6ft 185 was incriminating, because it would take such a big guy to do this crime.

I'm 6ft and when my weight gets down to 185, I feel rather slight. That's a very normal and not intimating size on most guys, and he doesn't look to me to be particularly muscular.

I'm not saying that as evidence for or against him, but it's just more to roll you eyes at the internet sleuths.
I saw an article in the NY times that listed everything "bad" he did in Middle school and high school.
Reaching. It's just stupid sometimes.
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deddog said:

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no he doesn't that's the bullet proof vest he is on...
Yes the press is awful. Some "expert" was tweeting that his "intimidating size" of 6ft 185 was incriminating, because it would take such a big guy to do this crime.

I'm 6ft and when my weight gets down to 185, I feel rather slight. That's a very normal and not intimating size on most guys, and he doesn't look to me to be particularly muscular.

I'm not saying that as evidence for or against him, but it's just more to roll you eyes at the internet sleuths.
I saw an article in the NY times that listed everything "bad" he did in Middle school and high school.
Reaching. It's just stupid sometimes.
In the live stream posted above, online commenters are asking if he looked guilty from his body language.
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Public Defender's office in Coeur d' Alene will be his defense counsel. Anne Taylor.

LINK

That might indicate a change of venue may be in the works.
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Thanks. I wondered about that when I saw where she was.
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Heads up there is to be a PA State Police presser coming up at 3:30 Central.
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Starting now.
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Watching
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Dang. PA State Police are adhering to Idaho's non-disclosure law. So no probable cause info can be released until he's back in Idaho for his first hearing.
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

For the trial, how significant is no murder weapon if he ditched it and it's never found? At that point you are relying on electronic fencing and DNA at the scene, maybe in his car?
This got buried but I'd love to hear an attorney weigh in on this. Seems awfully easy, with 7 weeks time, to dispose of a knife so that it would likely never be found. Heck, even if he put it in his own garbage and it's in a landfill, I don't see how it would ever surface.

Presuming it is never found, I have no idea how big of a handicap that is to the prosecution.
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