Per @BrianEntin, the story was not true regarding the #BryanKohberger's actions behind a bars. pic.twitter.com/cmHaTDoiSd

— Jennifer Coffindaffer (@CoffindafferFBI) January 3, 2023

Yep. Heard all he has done is sleep.

Interesting note that I haven't seen mentioned yet: according to a FB post by the group Street Cop Training, BK was stopped by cops on two occasions during his cross country drive; however, no warrants had been issued at the time those stops were made.

This is interesting because one of SCT's big training things is traffic based interdiction, where they teach police how to cue in on suspicious driver behaviors, usually reactions to noticing a police vehicle, that can be indicators that the vehicle's occupant or occupants may have something to hide or reason to be wary of police, such as the presence of drugs or other contraband in the vehicle, or arrest warrants.

Whether the officers that stopped BK were cueing in on such behaviors is unknown, but it's entirely possible.

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zgolfz85 said:

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I've seen mixed stuff on the actual bodies. I feel like I read that Evan was found out of the bedroom on the 2nd floor as if he'd stumbled upon the killer or maybe the fight moved out of the bedroom. Also read that Kaylee and Madison were found on top of each other. Not much has leaked out about the scene though

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Ugh. Horrible.

So according to reports, he is gladly approving extradition so he can clear his name in all this. Mr. Criminology guy (if he really was on Reddit trolling all that) must believe he can show he had been invited to the party house at some point, therefore his DNA is there and cloud an already very cloudy crime scene. Heard that his defense team will potentially also want to pull their own samples and set up the defense of a cocktail of DNA there through time. Will be a very interesting cat and mouse game leading up to trial and we will see if this guy is as smart as he thinks he is.

Smeghead4761 said:

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Interesting note that I haven't seen mentioned yet: according to a FB post by the group Street Cop Training, BK was stopped by cops on two occasions during his cross country drive; however, no warrants had been issued at the time those stops were made.

This is interesting because one of SCT's big training things is traffic based interdiction, where they teach police how to cue in on suspicious driver behaviors, usually reactions to noticing a police vehicle, that can be indicators that the vehicle's occupant or occupants may have something to hide or reason to be wary of police, such as the presence of drugs or other contraband in the vehicle, or arrest warrants.

Whether the officers that stopped BK were cueing in on such behaviors is unknown, but it's entirely possible.

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It would have to be, wouldn't you think? Most people probably go years without being pulled over by not driving like a fleeing murderer. To get stopped 2 times on one trip doesn't seem like something that normally would happen.

That training appears to be ripe for abuse. Not sure what the "suspicious behaviors" entails, but it seems the police could claim it for anything, like slamming on the brakes when entering a speed trap.

Single Hispanic female I Williamson County, in a car by herself, car registered in the RGV, driving speed limit in left southbound left lane of IH-35.


Pulled over and confesses that all the bundled money they found in the car was drug money from Dallas headed back to Mexico.

You're telling me someone got stopped for camping in the left lane?

BS flags abound.

TexasRebel said:

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You're telling me someone got stopped for camping in the left lane?

BS flags abound.

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Something like that. The story was posted here several years ago related to seizure laws that allowed the arresting agency to keep the money.

No idea on the specifics of the traffic stops but I could see getting pulled over a couple times while driving cross-country and through who knows how many small town speed traps, etc.

I know it used to be real easy to get pulled over in Ferris when driving from Dallas to Houston (or vice versa) if you didn't know how hard they patrol I-45 through there.

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Smeghead4761 said:

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Interesting note that I haven't seen mentioned yet: according to a FB post by the group Street Cop Training, BK was stopped by cops on two occasions during his cross country drive; however, no warrants had been issued at the time those stops were made.

This is interesting because one of SCT's big training things is traffic based interdiction, where they teach police how to cue in on suspicious driver behaviors, usually reactions to noticing a police vehicle, that can be indicators that the vehicle's occupant or occupants may have something to hide or reason to be wary of police, such as the presence of drugs or other contraband in the vehicle, or arrest warrants.

Whether the officers that stopped BK were cueing in on such behaviors is unknown, but it's entirely possible.

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It would have to be, wouldn't you think? Most people probably go years without being pulled over by not driving like a fleeing murderer. To get stopped 2 times on one trip doesn't seem like something that normally would happen.

That training appears to be ripe for abuse. Not sure what the "suspicious behaviors" entails, but it seems the police could claim it for anything, like slamming on the brakes when entering a speed trap.

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Perhaps not that suspicious. They were driving a White Elantra that the entire nation was looking for. Perhaps only being stopped twice is the suspicious part. Perhaps they were wanting to see where they were going.

Good gosh, white is the most common colored car our there. I don't know how many Elantras are on the road but there were 90 in Moscow alone, there have to be thousands of them nationwide. No way all of them can or should be stopped just for being a white Elantra. And not only that, but they had the years wrong, so any cop that may have been looking for a reason to pull over a white Elantra would have likely moved out of that line of thinking when the year didn't match. I'm curious how they messed that up, but that's on Moscow's police, not the ones that pulled him over (and I've been generally complimentary of the Moscow Police, I don't suggest the error was egregious, but it was an error.)

I mean….or they did it knowing they already had a bead on him and see if that jostled him.

There have been plenty of disparaging things said about the Moscow PD…yet it seems they did a really good job if he is in fact the perp

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I mean….or they did it knowing they already had a bead on him and see if that jostled him.

There have been plenty of disparaging things said about the Moscow PD…yet it seems they did a really good job if he is in fact the perp

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Did what to see if it jostled him? Had a trooper use a traffic stop to approach him to see if he gives off guilty vibes? That seems like a giant, potentially deadly risk for virtually no gain.

And impossible to coordinate?

Hey, Trooper -- we have no certainty that a white guy in a white non-descript foreign 4 door will come driving through your area, or when, but please find that needle in a hay stack vehicle and pull it over to F with the driver to see if he flinches.

Arriving at courthouse for hearing. He looks big and scary.

Bryan Kohberger has arrived at court. The hearing starts at 3:30pm ET. #IdahoMurders #IdahoFour #IdahoHomocides pic.twitter.com/RzFSLrXsx3

— Idaho Murders (@IdahoMurders) January 3, 2023

Plus, the State of Indiana reports they have no record of these stops. That probably means it was a municipal force that pulled him over. If they were pulling him over as a known suspect, that would be a state entity, but I don't find that plausible either.

I think he was either a nervous driver and got pulled over because he was distracted (makes a lot of sense), or he's just a bad driver who is prone to getting pulled over anyway (also makes sense).

They will eventually find the cops that pulled him over, if it is true. I'm sure the cops who did it are well aware at this point who they had.

HtownAg92 said:

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And impossible to coordinate?

Hey, Trooper -- we have no certainty that a white guy in a white non-descript foreign 4 door will come driving through your area, or when, but please find that needle in a hay stack vehicle and pull it over to F with the driver to see if he flinches.

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Oh, and do it solo as backup would only arouse suspicion. So just nonchalantly walk up to a potentially desperate murderer who may be capable of anything at that point to see how he reacts.

And not to mention the potentially thousands of innocent people who happen to be driving the same car and now run the risk of something tragic happening if they make the wrong move because the police thinks they may be a killer.

HtownAg92 said:

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It would have to be, wouldn't you think? Most people probably go years without being pulled over by not driving like a fleeing murderer. To get stopped 2 times on one trip doesn't seem like something that normally would happen.

That training appears to be ripe for abuse. Not sure what the "suspicious behaviors" entails, but it seems the police could claim it for anything, like slamming on the brakes when entering a speed trap.

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I would argue he was pulled over because he was driving a make and model of a car that the entire world was looking for.

That was Stephen Lara of Lubbock, TX.

Got stopped in Nevada with $87,000 in cash along with withdrawal receipts.

Burdizzo said:

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TexasRebel said:

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You're telling me someone got stopped for camping in the left lane?

BS flags abound.

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Something like that. The story was posted here several years ago related to seizure laws that allowed the arresting agency to keep the money.

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No arrest needed. Under civil asset forfeiture laws, police can seize (and keep) cash they think (or conveniently assume) is crime-related with no due process.

I would consider 6' 185lbs a relatively big guy. Especially if he was a physically fit 185 and in when in comparison to the three girls and EC.

TexasRebel said:

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That was Stephen Lara of Lubbock, TX.

Got stopped in Nevada with $87,000 in cash along with withdrawal receipts.

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people wonder why people hate cops

suburban cowboy said:

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I would consider 6' 185lbs a relatively big guy. Especially if he was a physically fit 185 and in when in comparison to the three girls and EC.

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Wasn't Ethan like 6' 3"? He was a pretty good sized dude, former high school basketball player.

suburban cowboy said:

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I would consider 6' 185lbs a relatively big guy. Especially if he was a physically fit 185 and in when in comparison to the three girls and EC.

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I think he was also into boxing at one point?

I read 5'11"

aggiehawg said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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I would consider 6' 185lbs a relatively big guy. Especially if he was a physically fit 185 and in when in comparison to the three girls and EC.

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I think he was also into boxing at one point?

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According to a statement by a childhood friend, yes.

For size comparison, Bryce Young is listed at 6' 185lbs. and won a Heisman Trophy.

Smeghead4761 said:

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Interesting note that I haven't seen mentioned yet: according to a FB post by the group Street Cop Training, BK was stopped by cops on two occasions during his cross country drive; however, no warrants had been issued at the time those stops were made.

This is interesting because one of SCT's big training things is traffic based interdiction, where they teach police how to cue in on suspicious driver behaviors, usually reactions to noticing a police vehicle, that can be indicators that the vehicle's occupant or occupants may have something to hide or reason to be wary of police, such as the presence of drugs or other contraband in the vehicle, or arrest warrants.

Whether the officers that stopped BK were cueing in on such behaviors is unknown, but it's entirely possible.

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Perhaps one explanation may be because it was his dad that was driving. Just read an article today that said his dad had flown out in a "pre-planned trip" to drive back home to PA with him.

LOL. Poor Corner Club.

Suspect was not and has not been here. No one was removed from the bar the evening of the incident. Stop calling us.

— Corner Club (@cornerclub) January 3, 2023

it will be interesting to see what is uncovered including the following:
- info on his laptop, including online forum, social media and search results
- info on his phone, including photos or evidence of prolonged stalking
- individuals close to him that may have been suspicious or knew he committed the murdera
- CCTV recordings from his apartment complex and other areas he was likely to have been before and after the murders
- if and when the murder weapon is located, or any other "trophy" from the house

TexasRebel said:

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That was Stephen Lara of Lubbock, TX.

Got stopped in Nevada with $87,000 in cash along with withdrawal receipts.

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The story I remember was being on IH-35 and either in Bell or Williamson County.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I mean….or they did it knowing they already had a bead on him and see if that jostled him.

There have been plenty of disparaging things said about the Moscow PD…yet it seems they did a really good job if he is in fact the perp

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Did what to see if it jostled him? Had a trooper use a traffic stop to approach him to see if he gives off guilty vibes? That seems like a giant, potentially deadly risk for virtually no gain.

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Release info about the car. If they already knew what car it was and whose it was. Releasing info about it but with the wrong year my embolden him

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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JCA1 said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I mean….or they did it knowing they already had a bead on him and see if that jostled him.

There have been plenty of disparaging things said about the Moscow PD…yet it seems they did a really good job if he is in fact the perp

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Did what to see if it jostled him? Had a trooper use a traffic stop to approach him to see if he gives off guilty vibes? That seems like a giant, potentially deadly risk for virtually no gain.

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Release info about the car. If they already knew what car it was and whose it was. Releasing info about it but with the wrong year my embolden him

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I think they intentionally released the wrong year range for the Elantra to the public. That seemed calculated to me.