Watching Dexter the blood splatter/DNA analysis seems like the easiest part of solving the crime.W said:
I'm thinking the first victim would only have blood from themselves and possibly the killer.
whereas the last victim might have blood from all the victims...transferred by the knife or the killer's clothing.
will take a lot of work to sort thru the blood evidence
Not necessarily. Different kinds of serial killers. Some look for targets of opportunity. Some focus on a type of victim or physical characteristic like hair color, etc.fka ftc said:
Serial killer is not jiving with targeted. Particularly saying targeted but not saying why they were targeted or who, if anyone, else could be a target.
This would indicate they believe the incident would not be repeated.
aggiehawg said:It's a town of less than 26,000 late at night early morning hours. The number of pings whould not be that high.W said:
also wonder what is the closest cell phone tower to the house.
there is a technique of some kind where the police get a list of every single phone (number) that pinged off the closest tower in a certain time frame.
probably thousands of phones, but not as many if the time frame of the murders can be narrowed
But I doubt this killer carried a cell phone, or if they did it was a burner and not traceable.
Interesting. Thanks for posting that.Quote:
One thing I recently read was that both the University of Idaho and Washington State had home football games that weekend. Washington state is 10 minutes away and apparently Moscow is the more popular place to go out for Washington State students and fans. It was also parents weekend at Washington State that weekend. All that to say, there were tens of thousands of non-locals in the area that weekend.
My dog barks when people they do not know are moving around the house at night. Its not guaranteed, but it works 100% when the Amazon guy approaches the front door on an overnight delivery.cslifer said:
Why would the dog be a big deal at this point? It has to go somewhere, sounds like animal control turned him over to the right person.
This is what I was wondering, most dogs start barking at intruders....unless it's someone they know.fka ftc said:My dog barks when people they do not know are moving around the house at night. Its not guaranteed, but it works 100% when the Amazon guy approaches the front door on an overnight delivery.cslifer said:
Why would the dog be a big deal at this point? It has to go somewhere, sounds like animal control turned him over to the right person.
It is also somewhat indicative of how serious their relationship was as they co-parented the dog.
I wouldn't read too much into that as they (PD) want to protect the kids including innocent bystanders who arrived well after the murders. Throwing their names out there wouldn't really accomplish much of anything and could encourage false tips pertaining to them.MsDoubleD81 said:
In the latest PC, question was asked about releasing the 911 call. Said it is part of the investigation. Wonder if potential names were mentioned that could be suspects. Odd that multiple people were on the call.
I think the dog is still young and kind of the "house dog." Wouldn't be surprised if the dog was downstairs sleeping with one of the other two roommates.Aust Ag said:This is what I was wondering, most dogs start barking at intruders....unless it's someone they know.fka ftc said:My dog barks when people they do not know are moving around the house at night. Its not guaranteed, but it works 100% when the Amazon guy approaches the front door on an overnight delivery.cslifer said:
Why would the dog be a big deal at this point? It has to go somewhere, sounds like animal control turned him over to the right person.
It is also somewhat indicative of how serious their relationship was as they co-parented the dog.
Tend to agree, but dogs are also familiar with "types" of people and what else is going on.aggiehawg said:I think the dog is still young and kind of the "house dog." Wouldn't be surprised if the dog was downstairs sleeping with one of the other two roommates.Aust Ag said:
This is what I was wondering, most dogs start barking at intruders....unless it's someone they know.
fka ftc said:
subreddit r/MoscowMurders has been an interesting read. Seems the mods are keeping the disinfo to a minimum.
The SigmaChi angle indicating something occurred earlier in the night at the frat house is intriguing. Supports they know the suspect and are needing to firm up the facts.
Stranger things have happened. Could some sort of grudge or even dare gone out of control?
Its a shame for the young lives lost. And for the other lives that will likely be impacted by the consequences.
fka ftc said:Tend to agree, but dogs are also familiar with "types" of people and what else is going on.aggiehawg said:I think the dog is still young and kind of the "house dog." Wouldn't be surprised if the dog was downstairs sleeping with one of the other two roommates.Aust Ag said:
This is what I was wondering, most dogs start barking at intruders....unless it's someone they know.
I would not base a case on the dog, but its an interesting particular.
But man, going after 4 people in their sleep with a killing knife is level 10 rage or level 10 skill. And those are two entirely different suspects, only one of which doesn't pose a particular ongoing danger in the mind of the police.
Edited to Add: Someone on reddit referenced the Napa Valley murders Halloween Night of 3 young ladies.
https://loriajohnston.medium.com/the-2004-napa-halloween-murders-37c8d97e3d4b
Turned out to be then on/off boyfriend of one of the victim's best friends.
But why all four? Just absolutely lost it and went room to room?RiverAg 80 said:
I am agreeing with a lot of what fka says.
I have never tried nor experienced a serial killer. But I have tried a couple of guys who were spurned by a girl, maybe even a former lover. Those murders were more than violent. They were vicious with horrific crime scenes.
This case has that feel to it. Maybe a one night stand who does not go to school there.
Tragic but also interested to see who this evil person is once he is arrested.
Could be easily in a kennel at night. And if you are a roommate going to bed and no idea when your other roommates will stumble in, put him in his kennel in your room and go to sleep.MsDoubleD81 said:
Wonder if it sleeps in a kennel? My 10 month old does and he did nothing when the doorbell rang at 11 pm one night or when the security system went off at 2 am on another night.
BurnetAggie99 said:
Another point is the police have checked stores for purchases of the K-Bar Knife which nothing has turned up. K-Bar Knife is a US Marine Corps military knife and you really only see former Marines or family members of former Marines/Military that tend to have K-Bar knife. So possible this suspect has some military background, has family that military, big game hunters, or some type of civilian milita experience.
Though K-bars look really cool and many folks do own them, they are made to be a quick work, and deadly, utility knife when used in the right hands.$240 Worth of Pudding said:BurnetAggie99 said:
Another point is the police have checked stores for purchases of the K-Bar Knife which nothing has turned up. K-Bar Knife is a US Marine Corps military knife and you really only see former Marines or family members of former Marines/Military that tend to have K-Bar knife. So possible this suspect has some military background, has family that military, big game hunters, or some type of civilian milita experience.
K-Bars are easily purchased. I've seen them given as groomsmen gifts.
I think you're assuming a lot in your last sentence if it's solely based on the K-Bar.
The Ka-Bar type knife is one of the more popular fixed blade knives on the market. You can buy that at pretty much any surplus store or gun show, and most gun stores that sells knives. Probably most camping/outdoor stores as well. So trying to narrow the suspect pool by looking for purchases of the knife is likely to be a needle in a haystack situation.fka ftc said:Though K-bars look really cool and many folks do own them, they are made to be a quick work, and deadly, utility knife when used in the right hands.$240 Worth of Pudding said:BurnetAggie99 said:
Another point is the police have checked stores for purchases of the K-Bar Knife which nothing has turned up. K-Bar Knife is a US Marine Corps military knife and you really only see former Marines or family members of former Marines/Military that tend to have K-Bar knife. So possible this suspect has some military background, has family that military, big game hunters, or some type of civilian milita experience.
K-Bars are easily purchased. I've seen them given as groomsmen gifts.
I think you're assuming a lot in your last sentence if it's solely based on the K-Bar.
Its no so much the knife that makes the difference here, its the knife combined with SKILL that would suggest someone more experienced or simply blinded by rage. The latter though, would suggest using an implement at their disposal, which may have indeed been an efficient knife.
The "blood groove" on these knives is done for strength but act, along with serrated edges, to avoid some degree of suction.
Should be easy for trained MEs and forensic pathologists to determine general type of knife and skill of user, with a general degree of certainty.
To the post and comment above, its an indicator but not a definite. You can watch a couple war movies and like the knife and easily obtain one. People in the military have more exposure and training in weapons and tend to have more "advanced" models.
I recall the SF medics doing what was nicknamed "ballistic goat" training, with goats being shot, not stabbed, bullets being much more what they would see in actual combat. They had to keep the goat alive for some specified amount of time.fka ftc said:
I was made aware of LTTT recently in detail not appropriately shared here. Do not know if all special forces go through this training but it is still done as of a few years ago and away from prying eyes of PETA.
From the discussion, close combat using a knife and live tissue (pigs in this case) was "informative" for the trainees in understanding how stabbing "feels".
Someone with that sort of training would be an unusual suspect in this case and would not fit the "targeted" statements by police. That continues to point to some sort of rage.
Have love PETA protesting shooting up some goats and pigs then dressing their wounds and working to keep them alive in an effort to show HUMANS how to do this in the real world battlefield.Smeghead4761 said:I recall the SF medics doing what was nicknamed "ballistic goat" training, with goats being shot, not stabbed, bullets being much more what they would see in actual combat. They had to keep the goat alive for some specified amount of time.fka ftc said:
I was made aware of LTTT recently in detail not appropriately shared here. Do not know if all special forces go through this training but it is still done as of a few years ago and away from prying eyes of PETA.
From the discussion, close combat using a knife and live tissue (pigs in this case) was "informative" for the trainees in understanding how stabbing "feels".
Someone with that sort of training would be an unusual suspect in this case and would not fit the "targeted" statements by police. That continues to point to some sort of rage.
PETA types did protest at Fort Bragg once or twice.
