In the low level flyover, everyone wants the planes to fly as close as possible (think Kyle Field flyovers and people crying for them to be closer). If minimum altitude is 1000 feet, everyone is flying 1000 feet.New World Ag said:
I have no idea but wouldn't the fighters be required to fly at a different altitude than the slower flying B-17? Has to have been some safety bust.
3-4 remaining airworthy P63s.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
This is a horrible tragedy. The families of those on-board. Oh man.
And then as someone else mentioned, these are rare aircraft. I know there are a handful of Fortresses in flying condition, but thinking there are likely not any more King Cobras.
fc2112 said:In the low level flyover, everyone wants the planes to fly as close as possible (think Kyle Field flyovers and people crying for them to be closer). If minimum altitude is 1000 feet, everyone is flying 1000 feet.New World Ag said:
I have no idea but wouldn't the fighters be required to fly at a different altitude than the slower flying B-17? Has to have been some safety bust.
Odd thing to me is all the other escort planes were flying straight and level and he veered off on a different path - a path he knew would have his blind spot towards the bomber. Makes me think something medical happened to the pilot of the P-63.
Another angle. pic.twitter.com/AndK0JpHed
— Doge (@IntelDoge) November 12, 2022
The guy in the P-63 never saw it coming. The guy I saw in the corsair pulled hard and also went into the vertical to get space to avoid the mid-air. You would think that they would have to have some rules about vertical separation when they are doing these circuits. Just a shame in the loss of life and aircraft.JB!98 said:
I saw this very type of race track formation for the fighters and straight and level run for the bombers at an airshow at Randolph in San Antonio. I believe it was a B-17 that was coming in straight and a corsair was coming around the circuit. Same thing, but the corsair pilot saw the B-17 at the last minute and was able to put a lot of G on the airplane and avoid the collision. By a lot of G, I have never seen a WWII aircraft with vapor coming off the wing and wing root like on that corsair.
Had they collided it would have have rained debris and burning fuel on us. It scared the hell out of me and obviously the corsair pilot. He immediately landed after that. He may have overstressed that beautiful old bird.
Prayers for those that lost their lives. Tragic.
Two private WW2 historical warbirds, B-17 (N7227C) and a P-51/P-63 (N5428V) style fighter collided in mid-air while performing a fly-by on runway 31 at Dallas-Executive Airport, TX. Both lost control and crashed. All occupants in both aircraft are presumed dead. pic.twitter.com/BfmQwefTTm
— JACDEC (@JacdecNew) November 12, 2022
cctexagMD said:
It's worse than we would have thought. Hearing some details. Not confirmed in public yet.
P-63 had a ride along.
B-17 had 12 people on board.
So 14 total dead.
The NTSB is launching a go-team to investigate Saturday’s mid-air collision between a Boeing B-17G and a Bell P-63F near Dallas, Texas. Member Michael Graham will serve as spokesperson on scene. Team expected to arrive tomorrow. Check Twitter @ntsb_newsroom for updates.
— NTSB Newsroom (@NTSB_Newsroom) November 13, 2022
GarlandAg2012 said:cctexagMD said:
It's worse than we would have thought. Hearing some details. Not confirmed in public yet.
P-63 had a ride along.
B-17 had 12 people on board.
So 14 total dead.
Ugh I hope this proves untrue.
Where are you getting this? It totally contradicts the public information released so far, along with what others have posted about ride-alongs during airshows.cctexagMD said:
It's worse than we would have thought. Hearing some details. Not confirmed in public yet.
P-63 had a ride along.
B-17 had 12 people on board.
So 14 total dead.
torrid said:Where are you getting this? It totally contradicts the public information released so far, along with what others have posted about ride-alongs during airshows.cctexagMD said:
It's worse than we would have thought. Hearing some details. Not confirmed in public yet.
P-63 had a ride along.
B-17 had 12 people on board.
So 14 total dead.
Almost certainly true it was not. They wouldn't be when also doing aerodynamics with the other aircraft probably. One minor blessing in a horrific tragedy of lives and material alike.Agthatbuilds said:torrid said:Where are you getting this? It totally contradicts the public information released so far, along with what others have posted about ride-alongs during airshows.cctexagMD said:
It's worse than we would have thought. Hearing some details. Not confirmed in public yet.
P-63 had a ride along.
B-17 had 12 people on board.
So 14 total dead.
Article I read said the b17 wasn't carrying any ride alongs
Sorry for your loss. A terrible tragedy. We lost some really good people we can ill afford to lose. They are a critical link to our past as a once great and proud nation.Gunny456 said:
This is very tragic. I have been in the CAF for 31 years. Have flown multiple times in the B-17 Texas Raiders. Would have been at the show today but had a family health emergency.
The flights paths are planned out for each act and formation for each show day. At briefings before each of the shows the flight paths of each aircraft in that act are choreographed and drawn out on a chart. Every pilot is briefed with that. They practice that act many times during the year.
It is not a bunch of random flying around.
In all show acts the CAF and the FAA regs call for essential crew ONLY. In the B-17 it is a pilot, co pilot and crew chief and two flight control observers stationed at the two waist gun windows... they verify flight control positions and landing gear positions.
The P-63 King Cobra would not have had a passenger.
This is tragic. I would suspect perhaps the P-63 pilot experienced a heart attack or similar.
It is very emotional for me as I knew many of the crews.
CAF President Hank Coats said "4 to 5" crew on the B-17 and he said he couldn't elaborate because the NTSB has to clear the info that is released.titan said:Almost certainly true it was not. They wouldn't be when also doing aerodynamics with the other aircraft probably. One minor blessing in a horrific tragedy of lives and material alike.Agthatbuilds said:torrid said:Where are you getting this? It totally contradicts the public information released so far, along with what others have posted about ride-alongs during airshows.cctexagMD said:
It's worse than we would have thought. Hearing some details. Not confirmed in public yet.
P-63 had a ride along.
B-17 had 12 people on board.
So 14 total dead.
Article I read said the b17 wasn't carrying any ride alongs
Different footage of the Dallas executive plane crash that just happened a couple of hours ago during the air show #Dallas #planecrash pic.twitter.com/RuoXB26HUM
— Rj murillo (@rjmurillo5) November 12, 2022
I love all things aviation, but today’s crash at the Dallas Air Show is a dramatic example of why I DO NOT like air shows.
— Tim McMillan (@LtTimMcMillan) November 12, 2022
There has been at least 1, and on average 3, fatal aviation accidents at air shows EVERY year since 1919.
pic.twitter.com/CoP5S45Oes
🚨 BREAKING 🚨 Two planes collided during an air show in Dallas (video below). 37 people died marking this as the 473rd worse plane crash in US history. Concerning news for the future of the US economy, as passengers consisted mostly of 21 y/o finance interns and Dave Portnoy pic.twitter.com/XWHalNh6AU
— Grunder News Network (@GrunderNews) November 12, 2022
It's the loss of the people that troubles me multitudes of times more than the loss of an object.LMCane said:
awful on so many levels- there is the 8th Air Force Museum outside Savannah that was refurbishing a B-17 for decades.
there are so few of them left remaining, this is probably the final nail in them ever flying again. plus the folks in the aircraft who were killed.
just awful
