Fortunately, once another GOP POTUS is elected, at least all the 'Dems will never lose again!' B.S. will probably at least partially go away. And over time expose how badly Trump ran his 2020 campaign needlessly helping create 'Not Trump' voters who didnt care for Biden but absolutely detested Trump's personality.

Not all of it, because some folks just love monetizing or believing in conspiracy theories. But at least some of it.

I don't buy the vote tally manipulation bull**** excuses. It's a weak story and a convenient quip that has failed to be substantiated every. single. time.

The only reason Biden is president is because Donald Trump became a caustic bile that people could no longer tolerate. It's really that simple.

He was literally the only person that could lose to Biden and is why the GOP needs to move on to new blood in 2024.

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Ah yes. "The mass fraud" nobody who matters believed or attempted to prove. It's only been 850 days.

Fox fed this to their audience because they were losing share to the crazy channels. They mocked you in private. That's what hurts the worst.

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Give some of these folks some time. Seeing that their heroes knew there was no fraud, joked about it and then lied to the audience; causing many to believe the lie to this day, that's a serious cognitive thing to deal with.

Their entire world has been destroyed, all they can do is lash out as they realize, finally, they weren't the smart ones, they were the sheep.

I remember when this lawsuit was filed, so many here were almost salivating for discovery, certain their Fox News heroes had told them the truth. They believed there would be evidence of vote changing or whatever the lie of the day was.

Now, the only evidence is their heroes were liars and made fools of them. Dealing with that is psychologically brutal.

I feel badly for them, but hope they can now see the truth and in the coming weeks as emotions wind down, the will start to quietly accept reality again.

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You do recognize the major flaw in your argument don't you? You, and Dominion, are basing your entire argument on the fact that Powell overreached and lied.

Here's a hint... Just because Powell lied doesn't mean that there wasn't fraud.

You know as well as I do that many questions remain that have not been answered with regard to the 2020 election. And you screaming that there wasn't fraud doesn't mean that it did not exist.

As I have said multiple times, free and fair elections will only occur when they can be demonstrated as such by the entities that run the elections. Dominion, as well as many of the administrators of various elections, have not done so.

Deflecting to Sydni Powell does not change that fact.

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The reason the MAGA types believe there was widespread voter fraud is because the sources that told them that were lying to you. They manipulated you, took advantage of your predilections and biases. You was had

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Go work an election in a Democrat controlled area. I saw hundreds of violations in 2008 at the Zang Courthouse Extension during early voting. People told how to vote, at least one guy voting multiple times with different IDs, pretty blatant curbside fraud dozens of votes on an retirement village bus done in a few minutes (literally not possible in that election w/o the clerk doing everything, again not legal), only democratic clerks allowed to go do curbside (again not how that works),etc. Sherriffs wouldn't do anything b/c DA and Sherriff are both Democrats and it would only endanger their jobs. So sure, widespread fraud depends on what you define as fraud. Good old machine politics which has been around for well over 150 years? Yeah that **** is still out there. Double with vote canvasing.

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The thing is 1) Everyone just has to take your word for this and 2) Maricopa was a Republican controlled area and 3) I'm pretty sure voting requirements dictate both parties work the elections and have equal access. Does election fraud occur? Absolutely. As a large organized effort? There is no evidence to date to prove it...unless people want it to. Do both parties skirt the line of what is legal...That's what redistricting is. Its legal but its a way to draw maps in favor of those who control the process.

If you want actual news, NewNation is best. They were covering the Ohio train derailment before it was cool. FoxNews to me is an outage generating machine.

From the Fox brief in support of their motion for summary judgment.

Document HERE

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I don't buy the vote tally manipulation bull**** excuses. It's a weak story and a convenient quip that has failed to be substantiated every. single. time.

The only reason Biden is president is because Donald Trump became a caustic bile that people could no longer tolerate. It's really that simple.

He was literally the only person that could lose to Biden and is why the GOP needs to move on to new blood in 2024.

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Being a math nut, mathematic anomalies are my clear cut clue.

Trump also had the most votes ever for a republican candidate by a large margin. If you think a new candidate will make such a drastic change with the US's moronic voter base, you weren't paying attention in 2020.

Dominion stealing elections, corruption and voting fraud crimes also go unpunished in Venezuela.

"former security guard for former Venezuelan president Hugo Chvez filed a sworn affidavit stating that he helped Chvez rig elections using Smartmatic machines, and that "the software and fundamental design of the electronic electoral system and software of Dominion ... relies upon software that is a descendent of the Smartmatic Electoral
Management System."

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You've pulled out a great unforgettable tune from the past and inserted into a thread. Nice.

I'll confess, though, I first heard it on one of the instrumental albums that Haggard's band The Strangers put out about a decade after Johnny and Santo did theirs.

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Dominion stealing elections, corruption and voting fraud crimes also go unpunished in Venezuela.

"former security guard for former Venezuelan president Hugo Chvez filed a sworn affidavit stating that he helped Chvez rig elections using Smartmatic machines, and that "the software and fundamental design of the electronic electoral system and software of Dominion ... relies upon software that is a descendent of the Smartmatic Electoral
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Seems totally legit. Dead Hugo Chavez's security guard.

Did he mention that it was smartmatic's technology that detected the fraud? That Chavez's officials ignored the real results and just declared a winner? They were unaware the technology company was monitoring results remotely.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-vote-smartmatic/venezuelan-election-turnout-figures-manipulated-by-one-million-votes-election-company-idUSKBN1AI1KZ

So, basically, the opposite of your fever dreams is what actually occurred.

Fox's internal mockery of the election fraud claims about Dominion are funny, but Dominion shouldn't prevail on its defamation claim against Fox.

https://www.9news.com/amp/article/news/nation-world/dominion-lawsuit-filing-fox-news-hosts-didnt-believe-2020-trump-election-fraud-claims/507-a21a7d34-2973-4311-bc48-67594dab7e2b

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"Sidney Powell is lying," about having evidence for election fraud, Tucker Carlson told a producer about the attorney on Nov. 16, 2020, according to an excerpt from an exhibit that remains under seal.
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Carlson also referred to Powell in a text as an "unguided missile," and "dangerous as hell." Fellow host Laura Ingraham, meanwhile, told Carlson that Powell is "a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy," referring to former New York mayor and Trump supporter Rudy Giuliani.

Sean Hannity, meanwhile, said in a deposition "that whole narrative that Sidney was pushing, I did not believe it for one second," according to Dominion's filing.
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"Dominion brought this lawsuit to punish FNN for reporting on one of the biggest stories of the day allegations by the sitting President of the United States and his surrogates that the 2020 election was affected by fraud," the counterclaim states. "The very fact of those allegations was newsworthy."

Fox attorneys also said in their own summary judgment brief that Carlson repeatedly questioned Powell's claims in his broadcasts. "When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her," Carlson told viewers on Nov. 19, 2020.

Fox attorneys say Dominion's own public relations firm expressed skepticism in December 2020 as to whether the network's coverage was defamatory. They also point to an email from Oct. 30, 2020, just days before the election, in which Dominion's director of product strategy and security complained that the company's products were "just riddled with bugs."
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"According to Dominion, FNN had a duty not to truthfully report the President's allegations but to suppress them or denounce them as false," Fox attorneys wrote. "Dominion is fundamentally mistaken. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press would be illusory if the prevailing side in a public controversy could sue the press for giving a forum to the losing side."

Fox attorneys warn that threatening the company with a $1.6 billion judgment will cause other media outlets to think twice about what they report. They also say documents produced in the lawsuit show that Dominion has not suffered any economic harm and do not indicate that it lost any customers as the result of Fox's election coverage.
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A garbage company and criminally garbage security software ...garbage lawsuit for a billion is expected. Just emboldened criminal swine swimming in muck while FBI taking a page from Venezuela justice files.

Holy ***** Sydney Powell doesn't have a Kraken to release? That settles it then. The dnc and the government colluding with tech platform monopolies to censor proof of Biden's corruption, as admitted by Zuckerberg on JRE and proven by Musk via Twitter Files, was totally cool and not election interference at all (nothing like that Russia Russia Russia stuff in 2016 of course). And the covid scam being used to justify mass-mailing ballots to hacked and insecure voter registration roles and billionaires like Zuckerberg funding NGOs to collect and dump them in unmonitored insecure drop boxes where they can be scanned and tabulated in machines where local election workers can dial down the signature verification configuration or just adjudicate as many of them as they want, totally proves it was indeed the most secure election ever! Finally we have proof that Joe Biden really is, by far, the most popular politician in our nation's history, far more popular than Obama, even though he didn't campaign and no one would go to rallies or his victory celebration!

All the wild success Joe is having with his policies on spending for inflation, not having a border, arming the Taliban, emboldening Russia and China with his show of strength. All this America last stuff is what the people wanted! This just shows how great democracy is when elections are secure! America is back, baby! End quote. Repeat the line. Salute the marines!

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Holy ***** Sydney Powell doesn't have a Kraken to release? That settles it then. The dnc and the government colluding with tech platform monopolies to censor proof of Biden's corruption, as admitted by Zuckerberg on JRE and proven by Musk via Twitter Files, was totally cool and not election interference at all (nothing like that Russia Russia Russia stuff in 2016 of course). And the covid scam being used to justify mass-mailing ballots to hacked and insecure voter registration roles and billionaires like Zuckerberg funding NGOs to collect and dump them in unmonitored insecure drop boxes where they can be scanned and tabulated in machines where local election workers can dial down the signature verification configuration or just adjudicate as many of them as they want, totally proves it was indeed the most secure election ever! Finally we have proof that Joe Biden really is, by far, the most popular politician in our nation's history, far more popular than Obama, even though he didn't campaign and no one would go to rallies or his victory celebration!

All the wild success Joe is having with his policies on spending for inflation, not having a border, arming the Taliban, emboldening Russia and China with his show of strength. All this America last stuff is what the people wanted! This just shows how great democracy is when elections are secure! America is back, baby! End quote. Repeat the line. Salute the marines!

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Having dispensed with the thread topic about Dominion and Fox in a line or so, now we're ready to get into serious "what about". To wit
DNC;
Government collusion;
Tech platform monopolies;
Biden corruption;
Zuckerberg;
Election interference;
Russia;
Covid scam;
Mail in ballots;
Hacked;
Voter registration;
Billionaires;
NGOs;
Drop boxes;
Machines that can be adjudicated for as many as "they" want (here's where all the Fox celebs chortled amongst their colleagues privately);
Most secure election ever (Can't recall if it was Trump's AG or Trump's acting Homeland Security Secretary who said this. Regardless they should be glad they didn't work for the Clintons);
Rallies;
Inflation;
Taliban;
Border;
China;
Emboldening Russia with show of strength;
America last;
Salute the Maines.

I dare any of you to even recall what the OP was about.

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The fact that Soros has his hands in this should be enough to convince any one. But, hey, he's on your side, leftists. So he's a good guy. The ends justify the means.

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For some reason I'm reminded of the show on Fox where Newt was trying to say something about Soros funding DA races and he was cut off and no anti Soros talk was going to be allowed.

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I suspect part of that cut-off arose from Glenn Beck Show years before...he dug into Soros very thoroughly, back in 2009-2010.

Not only did Beck get "visited", by some Soros operatives, so did FOX, as well as advertisers for Beck's show...

Soros' pressure on FOX and advertisers was one of the primary contributors to Beck's exit...

Love the parts with Fox executives trashing their own on-air talent:

One text from the President of the network to a producer says "The North Koreans do more nuanced shows than Lou Dobbs."

Another text from the VP of Fox Business about Maria Bartiromo: "The problem is she has conspiracy theorists in her ear and they use her for their message sometimes."

And the most clairvoyant one:

One of Tucker's producers: "Mike Lindell is crazy and going to get sued by Dominion."

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The fact that Soros has his hands in this should be enough to convince any one. But, hey, he's on your side, leftists. So he's a good guy. The ends justify the means.

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For some reason I'm reminded of the show on Fox where Newt was trying to say something about Soros funding DA races and he was cut off and no anti Soros talk was going to be allowed.

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I suspect part of that cut-off arose from Glenn Beck Show years before...he dug into Soros very thoroughly, back in 2009-2010.

Not only did Beck get "visited", by some Soros operatives, so did FOX, as well as advertisers for Beck's show...

Soros' pressure on FOX and advertisers was one of the primary contributors to Beck's exit...

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THIS.

I've never seen anyone to this day supply a more detailed information and facts about Soros than Beck. Whatever issues you have/had with Glen Beck, he had studied and produced more info about Soros than anyone.

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Ah yes. "The mass fraud" nobody who matters believed or attempted to prove. It's only been 850 days.

Fox fed this to their audience because they were losing share to the crazy channels. They mocked you in private. That's what hurts the worst.

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It only took selective fraud and it was real and it worked for the Dems to steal the election.

The Soros "Open Society foundation" and Dominion are co-mingled. The same guys Soros has working on new voting machines developed the old Sequoia platform that changed names to Dominion. They also don't even try to maintain an appearance of objectivity anymore.

Not saying they cheated, but they definitely lied saying the machines weren't "capable of connecting to internet". They might have been temporarily disabled during elections, but the machines absolutely connect to internet fo upgrades etc.

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Ah yes. "The mass fraud" nobody who matters believed or attempted to prove. It's only been 850 days.

Fox fed this to their audience because they were losing share to the crazy channels. They mocked you in private. That's what hurts the worst.

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It only took selective fraud and it was real and it worked for the Dems to steal the election.

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This view is delusional. People who believe this way do so because they were duped by Fox and all the other MAGA misinfo outlets. Confirmation bias is hard to counter. Especially when your sources for information are playing you and your social media algorithms are shoveling you cake and candy. I get it it. Changing your mind on a lie that you believe with full religious fervor is difficult. It is really tough to be reasoned out of something that you were never reasoned into in the first place.

We told them to trust us LOL

Our internal controls around elections in many states is so sloppy that we won't ever know who really won. I'm a CPA and have spent 25 years between Big 4 accounting and Fortune 100, and not in a million years would I attach my name and professional reputation certifying the garbage that is getting pushed through. This election was decided by about 40k votes across 3 states. Very thin, and with bad processes, we'll never really know

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Our internal controls around elections in many states is so sloppy that we won't ever know who really won. I'm a CPA and have spent 25 years between Big 4 accounting and Fortune 100, and not in a million years would I attach my name and professional reputation certifying the garbage that is getting pushed through. This election was decided by about 40k votes across 3 states. Very thin, and with bad processes, we'll never really know

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An example of self delusion

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Our internal controls around elections in many states is so sloppy that we won't ever know who really won. I'm a CPA and have spent 25 years between Big 4 accounting and Fortune 100, and not in a million years would I attach my name and professional reputation certifying the garbage that is getting pushed through. This election was decided by about 40k votes across 3 states. Very thin, and with bad processes, we'll never really know

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An example of self delusion

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You harping on about confirmation basis is rich.

Tomorrow's headlines

FCC pulls Fox News broadcast license.
Murdock,Carlson, Hannity, Dobbs Ingram el al charged with Treason and Sedition
as greedy evil craven liars working to destroy the American political system by misinforming and provoking
the dumbest people in America and treating them like idiots.

https://news.yahoo.com/lawsuit-latest-evidence-bogus-stolen-220034640.html

Two years after former President Donald Trump's false claims about widespread election fraud sparked an attack on the U.S. Capitol, more evidence is piling up that those who spread the misinformation knew it was false.
On Thursday, the voting machine company Dominion filed court papers documenting that numerous Fox News personalities knew there was no evidence to support the claims peddled by Trump's allies, but aired them anyway on the nation's most-watched cable network. The same day, a special grand jury in Atlanta concluded there was no evidence of the fraud that Trump alleged cost him Georgia during the 2020 election.
In December, the congressional Jan. 6 committee disclosed that Trump's top advisers and even family members repeatedly warned him that the allegations he was making about fraud costing him reelection were false only to have the president continue making those claims, anyway.
The latest revelations are not just historical curiosities. They add to the wealth of evidence that there was no widespread fraud during the 2020 presidential election and that even some of Trump's most prominent supporters were aware of that fact at the time.
In its latest filing, Dominion cites texts and emails between prominent Fox personalities who did not believe the allegations or the people closest to Trump who spread them most aggressively, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and attorney Sidney Powell.
The Dominion filing alleges that the network was initially cautious about fraud claims, with its top anchor, Bret Baier, privately stating two days after the 2020 election "there is NO evidence of election fraud."
But after Powell and Giuliani began making allegations about fraud that were picked up by conservative competitors, executives and top hosts started worrying about losing viewers to the conservative network Newsmax, which repeatedly aired unrebutted allegations from Trump's side. Fox started inviting the two Trump allies on their shows and top executives pushed back on news reporters who tried to fact-check the allegations.

Trump has announced he's running for president again in 2024 and continues to repeat the lie that he lost in 2020 only because of fraud and irregularities.
"It demonstrates a profound cynicism about the political process and the gullibility of Trump's supporters," said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has followed the election falsehoods closely since 2020.

"Sidney Powell is lying" about having evidence of election fraud, Tucker Carlson told a producer about the attorney on Nov. 16, 2020, according to an excerpt from an exhibit that remains under seal. Two days later, according to the filing, Carlson told fellow Fox News host Laura Ingraham, "Our viewers are good people and they believe it."

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Ah yes. "The mass fraud" nobody who matters believed or attempted to prove. It's only been 850 days.

Fox fed this to their audience because they were losing share to the crazy channels. They mocked you in private. That's what hurts the worst.

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It only took selective fraud and it was real and it worked for the Dems to steal the election.

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This view is delusional. People who believe this way do so because they were duped by Fox and all the other MAGA misinfo outlets. Confirmation bias is hard to counter. Especially when your sources for information are playing you and your social media algorithms are shoveling you cake and candy. I get it it. Changing your mind on a lie that you believe with full religious fervor is difficult. It is really tough to be reasoned out of something that you were never reasoned into in the first place.

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Lol

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Ah yes. "The mass fraud" nobody who matters believed or attempted to prove. It's only been 850 days.

Fox fed this to their audience because they were losing share to the crazy channels. They mocked you in private. That's what hurts the worst.

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It only took selective fraud and it was real and it worked for the Dems to steal the election.

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This view is delusional. People who believe this way do so because they were duped by Fox and all the other MAGA misinfo outlets. Confirmation bias is hard to counter. Especially when your sources for information are playing you and your social media algorithms are shoveling you cake and candy. I get it it. Changing your mind on a lie that you believe with full religious fervor is difficult. It is really tough to be reasoned out of something that you were never reasoned into in the first place.

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Dude, cut back on the rabbit pellets, huh?

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Not sure what I'm "shilling". Paper ballots in Texas have nothing to do with Dominion.

Maricopa County has 10,000 ballot styles and 40 or more contests depending on precinct. How long do you think that would take to count?

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I vote using a machine.
The machine prints a list and a QR code.
I take the machine to a scanner. The ballot disappears from which point I have no clue what the scanner reads or what happens to the ballot. Does the scanner shred the ballots or put them into a compact compartment. Of course the printout on thermal paper could easily be destroyed by exposure to heat.

I looks like the paper is just an extremely step to spend more money on cronies and give an impression of security. I trust the current process as much as the previous machines that did not spit out a piece of thermal paper.

And now we can alienate voters simply by refusing to deliver the special thermal paper to select voting districts.

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Our internal controls around elections in many states is so sloppy that we won't ever know who really won. I'm a CPA and have spent 25 years between Big 4 accounting and Fortune 100, and not in a million years would I attach my name and professional reputation certifying the garbage that is getting pushed through. This election was decided by about 40k votes across 3 states. Very thin, and with bad processes, we'll never really know

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An example of self delusion

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An example of sheep that don't have the first clue

Simple question:

Who actually owns Dominion Voting Systems?

Answer:

No one really knows.

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Imagine shilling for cheater machines.

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List of Tucker Carlson Texts

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Not only does he admit Fox News knew they were lying he also states it needs to be covered up to keep up the Fox News stock price.

Imagine shilling for a coup d'etat.

Thanks for the link.

Tucker was pretty afraid of Trump on the sly:

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The primetime host continued to express to the producer his belief that his team had to kowtow to Trump: "What [Trump]'s good at is destroying things. He's the undisputed world champion of that. He could easily destroy us if we play it wrong."

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Carlson texted a producer that Trump was "a demonic force, a destroyer. But he's not going to destroy us."

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Demonic force is strong language.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Our internal controls around elections in many states is so sloppy that we won't ever know who really won. I'm a CPA and have spent 25 years between Big 4 accounting and Fortune 100, and not in a million years would I attach my name and professional reputation certifying the garbage that is getting pushed through. This election was decided by about 40k votes across 3 states. Very thin, and with bad processes, we'll never really know

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An example of self delusion

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An example of sheep that don't have the first clue

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I will ask again.

WHO OWNS DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS?