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Fightin_Aggie said:

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I work in Austin. Our office has a 1 floor garage on the first floor. I walk out and see someone walking around my vehicle and as I walk up he starts checking the door handles I tell him to stop that's my car. I ask him to leave and he won't leave. I'm standing next to my driver side door and his partner starts to get out of their car next to me. I tell him to stay in the car they refuse. I jump in my car and hall but out of the garage. They jump in their car and take off after me. I get on the access road and onto the highway. They don't get on the highway so I think this is done. Then the driver leans out his window yelling then I hear a bang. He shot the passenger door of my car. I am on the highway now so I stop and call the cops. The bullet went through the door but hit the main console and fell on the passenger side mat. I later found out this was a .45 caliber hand gun.

Once I meet with the police they say this is a daily occurrence in Austin now. Among others, the Austin Police Department has lost their highway enforcement division, their drug enforcement division, their gang division and the zone that I was in was supposed to have 11 officers with patrol units only has 8. I also find out that this same perp had just stolen an item off someones porch and the owner saw them and confronted them they pulled out a gun and put it in the owner's face.

1. Carry
2. Get out and Vote! I live in Round Rock in Williamson County but the garbage that defunded the police won't stay in Travis county if you don't vote out the liberals. The Liberals want you to be afraid. They want you to suffer so they prosper.

Be safe out there. The officer stated that Austin was a very dangerous place right now and I am betting most big cities are as they are invested with Liberal garbage.

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Honestly, I live in CP and wilco is a losing battle. Was looking at Liberty Hill but it's going the same way. Cant wait to gtfo of the Austin area. Westlake is probably the only safety net as they run their own program.

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?

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Probably not at any point in this story, but it could have gone numerous different ways. Only a fool would rather be unarmed if told he was about to encounter some car jacking thugs with pistols. Would you rather not have that option?

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Cromagnum said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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joerobert_pete06 said:

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Were you not carrying?

I would move if I were you. Your family is more important than your job and you senselessly murdered will ruin their lives

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Most businesses will not let you carry into the office. You can keep it in your vehicle, but the walk from office to vehicle is unarmed... or break the company policy and risk being fired.

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My company won't even let you have one in your vehicle on company grounds (which is open access to the public anyways). Not that it would do much good because if it were in your vehicle when this goes down, it would be no use to you.

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I work in Austin.

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He shot the passenger door of my car. I am on the highway now so I stop and call the cops. The bullet went through the door but hit the main console and fell on the passenger side mat. I later found out this was a .45 caliber hand gun.

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I also find out that this same perp had just stolen an item off someones porch and the owner saw them and confronted them they pulled out a gun and put it in the owner's face.

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black_ice said:

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What was their race?

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Hungry Ojos said:

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?

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Probably not at any point in this story, but it could have gone numerous different ways. Only a fool would rather be unarmed if told he was about to encounter some car jacking thugs with pistols. Would you rather not have that option?

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I wasn't questioning the advice to carry. I carry everywhere. I was more looking for advice on when the board thought it might be legally adequate to draw and fire because I wasn't sure.

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Howdy Dammit said:

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joerobert_pete06 said:

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Were you not carrying?

I would move if I were you. Your family is more important than your job and you senselessly murdered will ruin their lives

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Move where. Every major city is a blue cesspool.

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UTExan said:

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I know you are going to be bombarded with advice, but there are lots of 9mm small handgun options out there. Unless your office has a metal detector I would carry. I did in fact, carry concealed for years before Texas had rational concealed carry laws.

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gotsand said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?

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Probably not at any point in this story, but it could have gone numerous different ways. Only a fool would rather be unarmed if told he was about to encounter some car jacking thugs with pistols. Would you rather not have that option?

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I wasn't questioning the advice to carry. I carry everywhere. I was more looking for advice on when the board thought it might be legally adequate to draw and fire because I wasn't sure.

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When it becomes necessary to stop the commission of a forcible felony or there is reasonable fear of great bodily harm to yourself or others. "Reasonable" is the keyword here.

Flipping door handles at noon and giving a sob story doesn't rise to the level of draw and fire, IMO. Could it have? Sure, if he continued to engage them, it sounds like he would have likely been staring at a pistol for his trouble.
OP immediately left, however, which was the right call given the outcome and his available options.

Remember, you're talking about taking someone's life. If your question was serious (and it's a good question) please seek education on the use of deadly force from a qualified 3rd party, not online.

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Hungry Ojos said:

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gotsand said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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Hammerly High Dive Crips said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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For those asking if he was carrying, at what point in the story would you have drawn your weapon?

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Probably not at any point in this story, but it could have gone numerous different ways. Only a fool would rather be unarmed if told he was about to encounter some car jacking thugs with pistols. Would you rather not have that option?

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I wasn't questioning the advice to carry. I carry everywhere. I was more looking for advice on when the board thought it might be legally adequate to draw and fire because I wasn't sure.

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When it becomes necessary to stop the commission of a forcible felony or there is reasonable fear of great bodily harm to yourself or others. "Reasonable" is the keyword here.

Flipping door handles at noon and giving a sob story doesn't rise to the level of draw and fire, IMO. Could it have? Sure, if he continued to engage them, it sounds like he would have likely been staring at a pistol for his trouble.
OP immediately left, however, which was the right call given the outcome and his available options.

Remember, you're talking about taking someone's life. If your question was serious (and it's a good question) please seek education on the use of deadly force from a qualified 3rd party, not online.

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The thing you also have to remember though is that in Travis County, if you shoot a minority, you are GOING to get indicted and likely convicted of murder no matter what the circumstances. When the exact same fact pattern, in say, Tyler, would draw a no bill. I absolutely hate that the law is applied so unevenly across the state, purely on political grounds, but it's also something we have to be cognizant of.

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Cromagnum said:

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My company won't even let you have one in your vehicle on company grounds (which is open access to the public anyways). Not that it would do much good because if it were in your vehicle when this goes down, it would be no use to you.

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Cromagnum said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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joerobert_pete06 said:

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Were you not carrying?

I would move if I were you. Your family is more important than your job and you senselessly murdered will ruin their lives

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Most businesses will not let you carry into the office. You can keep it in your vehicle, but the walk from office to vehicle is unarmed... or break the company policy and risk being fired.

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My company won't even let you have one in your vehicle on company grounds (which is open access to the public anyways). Not that it would do much good because if it were in your vehicle when this goes down, it would be no use to you.

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Fightin_Aggie said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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Wow! Glad my wife isn't working in downtown any more.

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This was near McNeil and 183. No where close to downtown and in a small 3 story office building.

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MemphisAg1 said:

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joerobert_pete06 said:

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Were you not carrying?

I would move if I were you. Your family is more important than your job and you senselessly murdered will ruin their lives

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Most businesses will not let you carry into the office. You can keep it in your vehicle, but the walk from office to vehicle is unarmed... or break the company policy and risk being fired.

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If you are in Texas your company can not legally keep you from keeping a gun in your truck.

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Old Section 52.061 of the Texas Labor Code provides that an "employer may not prohibit an employee who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun... from transporting or storing a firearm... in a locked, privately owned motor vehicle in a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area the employer provides for employees."

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New Texas Labor Code 52.061 covers the laws related to employees bringing a firearm or ammunition to work. An employer may not prohibit an employee from transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition in the employee's locked, privately owned vehicle in the employer's parking lot.

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Aston 91 said:

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I'm close enough to the area that the other incident involving these perps (where they pointed a gun but didn't shoot) is on my Nextdoor discussion. Here's a pic of the vehicle taken from the Nextdoor post:
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HumpitPuryear said:

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Another vote for the P365. Very concealable with the 10rd mag. I have a 12rd mag in it when it's in the car. You can also get a 15rd but that's going to be harder to conceal obviously.

I bought mine a few weeks ago because I have to go to Austin and other liberal metro areas regularly. Liberals creating a lot of concealed carry advocates lately

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Fightin_Aggie said:

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Aston 91 said:

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I'm close enough to the area that the other incident involving these perps (where they pointed a gun but didn't shoot) is on my Nextdoor discussion. Here's a pic of the vehicle taken from the Nextdoor post:
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That is the same car and the same perps.

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Irish 2.0 said:

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Personally, I'd tell my employer I will not be returning to the office until proper measures to improve employee safety are put into place. The PR nightmare of trying to force you back into the office will far outweight the cost of pressuring the property manager to add security. You literally have it documented that you were chased and shot at due to an incident that happened on site. If you work for a larger company, I'd take it right to the top if the local office tries to brush you off.

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Fightin_Aggie said:

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I work in Austin. Our office has a 1 floor garage on the first floor. I walk out and see someone walking around my vehicle and as I walk up he starts checking the door handles I tell him to stop that's my car. I ask him to leave and he won't leave. I'm standing next to my driver side door and his partner starts to get out of their car next to me. I tell him to stay in the car they refuse. I jump in my car and hall but out of the garage. They jump in their car and take off after me. I get on the access road and onto the highway. They don't get on the highway so I think this is done. Then the driver leans out his window yelling then I hear a bang. He shot the passenger door of my car. I am on the highway now so I stop and call the cops. The bullet went through the door but hit the main console and fell on the passenger side mat. I later found out this was a .45 caliber hand gun.

Once I meet with the police they say this is a daily occurrence in Austin now. Among others, the Austin Police Department has lost their highway enforcement division, their drug enforcement division, their gang division and the zone that I was in was supposed to have 11 officers with patrol units only has 8. I also find out that this same perp had just stolen an item off someones porch and the owner saw them and confronted them they pulled out a gun and put it in the owner's face.

1. Carry
2. Get out and Vote! I live in Round Rock in Williamson County but the garbage that defunded the police won't stay in Travis county if you don't vote out the liberals. The Liberals want you to be afraid. They want you to suffer so they prosper.

Be safe out there. The officer stated that Austin was a very dangerous place right now and I am betting most big cities are as they are invested with Liberal garbage.

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I'm an Austin cop and have posted about issues multiple times in the recent years concerning the department's funding, staffing, and crime within Austin.

I was assigned to this call. OP is 100% correct with what he says happened during both incidents. We didn't meet, but I had to swing by his scene to grab something from our crime scene folks for the first scene and saw him walking around.

I'm greatful no one was injured. This could've easily resulted in an even more heinous incident. I'm confident these guys will be ID'd shortly. Our Agg assault and robbery detectives are great at what they do, as are most cops in Austin.

Violent crime is through the roof and incidents like this occur multiple times a day in Austin whether it be an interrupted package theft, robbery, or road rage incident with weapons involved. This doesn't even include the violent crime where the victim and suspect know each other.

Of note, the first victim was also carrying when he was held up at gunpoint. This stuff unfolds fast as OP mentioned and having a shootout isn't likely going to end well. The best thing to do is be hyper vigilant and aware of your surroundings at all times. When something seems off, hang back and call the police. Be a great witness and prepare to defend yourself if whatever you're witnessing is pushed in your direction. Y'all aren't paid to confront *******s in parking garages and property isn't worth a life. In this case, it seems like the suspects had "I'm good at making stupid decisions" tattooed pretty well across their faces and necks. The FBI would call that a clue.

I understand the sentiment of engaging with them to see what they're doing. but more often than not you're attempting to be rational with an irrational person who is not fearful of any type of consequence. This isn't meant to be a dig at the OPs actions of confronting them. Just proof is in the pudding. These ****ers were confronted by 2 men (one of them armed), and both times were brazen enough to display and discharge their gun. Until folks start fearing consequences and repercussions, this stuff isn't going to slow down. So prepare yourself accordingly and stay safe.

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