Canadian farmers on deck; Trudeau moving forward with 30% fertilizer reduction

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Fat Black Swan
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Trudeau has decided to move forward with his cap on nitrogen emissions by reducing fertilizer use even as provincial Agriculture Ministers beg him to stop.

As per a Government of Saskatchewan news release, both the Alberta and Saskatchewan Ministers of Agriculture have expressed "profound disappointment" in Trudeau's decision to attempt to reduce nitrogen emissions from fertilizer.

"We're really concerned with this arbitrary goal," Saskatchewan Minister of Agriculture David Marit said. "The Trudeau government has apparently moved on from their attack on the oil and gas industry and set their sights on Saskatchewan farmers."

"This has been the most expensive crop anyone has put in, following a very difficult year on the prairies," Alberta Minister of Agriculture Nate Horner said. "The world is looking for Canada to increase production and be a solution to global food shortages. The Federal government needs to display that they understand this. They owe it to our producers."

As previously reported by The Counter Signal, in December 2020, the Trudeau government unveiled their new climate plan, with a focus on reducing nitrous oxide emissions from fertilizer by 30% below 2020 levels by 2030. That plan is now coming into effect though the government refuses to acknowledge that nitrous oxide emissions can be reduced without reducing fertilizer use.
aggiepanic95
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We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.
BaileyAg
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aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.


You're exactly right
titan
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Same thing that killed Sri Lanka and threatens Holland.

Canadians need to the Sri Lanka sequel first and save and head off all the destructive loss. Membership in the WF should be a disqualification for any new leaders.
Ragoo
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Umm the atmosphere is already 79% nitrogen. It is an inert gas that doesn't hold water like CO2.

This is shear lunacy.
UTExan
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Somebody up on fertilizer ratios help me out here: isn't it something like 4 times more organic fertile is needed than basic nitrogen fertilizer? So you gotta purchase, ship and store all that organic stuff which could be what? Treated human sewage?
(Asking as a non-farmer)
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Ag87H2O
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aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.
They are purposely trying to tank the global economy. As Obama telegraphed, there is opportunity in crisis. The one they are creating this time is for all the marbles.
titan
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Ag87H2O said:

aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.
They are purposely trying to tank the global economy. As Obama telegraphed, there is opportunity in crisis. I the one they are creating is for all the marbles.
So is Putin part of it, or outside it and actually a spoiler? Ukraine and Russian in the middle of a war have found a way to resume exports.
RoadkillBBQ
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Hope these farmers are ready to go the distance. They witnessed how the truckers were treated and how little it did to hinder the evil these politicians and globalists are perpetrating. Every failure to push back against this only emboldens them.

ManchuAg03
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Idiots are solving a problem (that I don't think needs to be solved FYI) with no solutions on the back end.

- cut fertilizer without any viable alternative and people will starve to death.
- cut energy without any viable alternative and people will freeze to death.

But not the elite...
jefe95
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I think Putin is a spoiler.

Which is why the West and the most of the EU is illogically aligned against him at all cost. Meanwhile, Saudi and China are lining up with him to capitalize.
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aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.
We should TEXIT from Canada, amirite?!
kb2001
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What's behind the sudden hatred for fertilizer by leftists? What is the harm they claim it does?
titan
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Could be. It also fits in spiritual terms. They are aligned pretty firmly Orthodox these days; D.C. and the WEF is a an atheist toned power center and agenda. Mideast is not their friend--they are theist too. China is a wild card in the whole picture.
Stat Monitor Repairman
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People can't wait to get de-populated!

They love it and want more!
spider96
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RoadkillBBQ said:

Hope these farmers are ready to go the distance. They witnessed how the truckers were treated and how little it did to hinder the evil these politicians and globalists are perpetrating. Every failure to push back against this only emboldens them.




Hmmm, how to paraphrase?

First they came for the truckers, but I did not speak out because I was not a trucker.

Then they came for the farmers.....

Fat Black Swan
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Canadian farmers had a planned solidarity protest for Dutch farmers today.



titan
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Sigh. So the top keeps trying to destroy the middle and working class, even starve them. So the messaging seems confused. Are the Canadians supposed to fear a J6 or crave one??
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RoadkillBBQ
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ManchuAg03 said:

Idiots are solving a problem (that I don't think needs to be solved FYI) with no solutions on the back end.

- cut fertilizer without any viable alternative and people will starve to death.
- cut energy without any viable alternative and people will freeze to death.

But not the elite...
Cold, hungry people are easy to control.
titan
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Unfortunately for the committee fans, up north it seems the time has come for Trudeau to be literally run out of his office. The guy is some kind of soft-form tyrant.
Ernest Tucker
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Edit.. beat to the punch
An L of an Ag
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As someone said earlier (or maybe on another thread), it's time for the Sri Lanka response - not more convoys or protests.
PCC_80
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This is udder madness. Multiple countries around the world are having poor harvests due to the heat wave or other problems/conditions and this imbecile wants to cut production. How is anyone listening to this idiot.

If anything he should be encouraging increased production so that they can export more to other countries.

Nitrogen makes up 78% of the Atmosphere and trying to reduce it is just plain stupid and a waste of time.
BQ_90
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UTExan said:

Somebody up on fertilizer ratios help me out here: isn't it something like 4 times more organic fertile is needed than basic nitrogen fertilizer? So you gotta purchase, ship and store all that organic stuff which could be what? Treated human sewage?
(Asking as a non-farmer)
On the right track. Organic fertilizer isn't as high in nutrients so you to apply more. Normally you're talking manure or chicken litter. Expensive to transport long distances.

Humane waste has the issues with concentrations of heavy metals which make your land toxic waste dump over time.

I'm not sure why any country wants to severely damage their food production, but this will help food,exporting countries sell higher price goods to Canada
Fat Black Swan
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titan said:


Unfortunately for the committee fans, up north it seems the time has come for Trudeau to be literally run out of his office. The guy is some kind of soft-form tyrant.

Seems far fetched that he'll finish his term if things go Sri Lankan tea, but he's got 3(?) more years to push the WEF agenda through.
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aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.


And all these groups promoting this garbage science are funded by China and enemies of the west

Now ask yourself, Why would they do that?
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PCC_80
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Trudeau has decided to move forward with his cap on nitrogen emissions by reducing fertilizer use even as provincial Agriculture Ministers beg him to stop.
So Trudeau has decided to do this ? ? ? I did not know that Canada had a King. How can one person make such a huge decision ? ? ? Oh wait . . . . Biden has decided that we are no longer going to use Oil & Gas. Never mind.
panhandlefarmer
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Good. That will bring down fertilizer prices in the US and increase commodity and meat prices for us farmers and ranchers. Suck it Canada and consumers.
titan
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RoadkillBBQ said:

ManchuAg03 said:

Idiots are solving a problem (that I don't think needs to be solved FYI) with no solutions on the back end.

- cut fertilizer without any viable alternative and people will starve to death.
- cut energy without any viable alternative and people will freeze to death.

But not the elite...
Cold, hungry people are easy to control.
Not if a demagogue arises to direct them against them. Kind of surprised one hasn't yet. They only say Trump was it.
pfo
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Trudeau and the left worldwide will be voted out of office for decades or murdered where they sit.

Leftists are either idealogical climate fools or purposefully trying to Cloward and Piven the world into socialism, death and misery.

They will not be successful. People worldwide won't stand to be starved into submission by self appointed kings and queens flying in private jets and eating cake!
Fat Black Swan
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Fightin_Aggie said:

aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.


And all these groups promoting this garbage science are funded by China and enemies of the west

Now ask yourself, Why would they do that?


Russia was the largest supporter of European environmental groups as well.
Burdizzo
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BQ_90 said:

UTExan said:

Somebody up on fertilizer ratios help me out here: isn't it something like 4 times more organic fertile is needed than basic nitrogen fertilizer? So you gotta purchase, ship and store all that organic stuff which could be what? Treated human sewage?
(Asking as a non-farmer)
On the right track. Organic fertilizer isn't as high in nutrients so you to apply more. Normally you're talking manure or chicken litter. Expensive to transport long distances.

Humane waste has the issues with concentrations of heavy metals which make your land toxic waste dump over time.

I'm not sure why any country wants to severely damage their food production, but this will help food,exporting countries sell higher price goods to Canada


There is no way you are going to feed 8 billion humans without synthetic fertilizers. The numbers just don't work, and NOx emissions from agriculture are not the bogeyman Trudeau thinks they are.
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Que Te Gusta Mas said:

Fightin_Aggie said:

aggiepanic95 said:

We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.


And all these groups promoting this garbage science are funded by China and enemies of the west

Now ask yourself, Why would they do that?


Russia was the largest supporter of European environmental groups as well.
And the green movement in the us since the 70s.
titan
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Are you talking about as the Soviet Union or this century?
 
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