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An L of an Ag said:

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Of all the movies that the future would prove to be prophetic, who picked "Idiocracy"?

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kb2001 said:

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What's behind the sudden hatred for fertilizer by leftists? What is the harm they claim it does?

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It's simple. Depopulation and control. Order out of Chaos.

Are we awake yet?

Are we having fun yet?

Wait until lockdowns are announced for climate change. You heard it here first.

There is a quickening.

Read your Bibles.

Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Much of the problem is the over use and misapplication of synthetic fertilizers. Also, worst offenders for over use of fertilizers are Brazil, India and yes you guessed it China and every golf course in the world.

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Shut down every golf course. There is no producer on earth that can afford the rate of application that goes on at a golf course. A farmer will fertilize at a rate to produce 200 to 300 bushels of corn per acre. Golf course rates are at 1,500 to 3,500 bushels per acre. In some cases rates will exceed, just depends if the golf course can keep the water poured on it. .... Oh yeah,....water..

Then let's see if the Greenies really want to go down this road. Take away the golf courses? That just might hit a nerve. No one is talking about these users, are they?

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You don't know what you're talking about in regards to golf courses. Stay in your lane.

Ragoo said:

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Umm the atmosphere is already 79% nitrogen. It is an inert gas that doesn't hold water like CO2.

This is shear lunacy.

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Control. Not lunacy. It's very calculated.

1. Destroy farms
2. Billionaire libs that already are in control buy at $0.10 on the dollar
3. They now control food supply

Why the heck wouldn't you? It worked out so well for Sri Lanka.

Canada:

Your elected leader hates your freedom.

He wants you to be units that comply, widgets that fit where he puts you to do as you're told.

He has no respect for your life, as he said you may not defend yourself with a firearm.

He will limit you as long as you let him.

And it will get worse.

At most humane, he needs to be shown the electoral door.

At worst, he needs to be reminded who is in charge.

Question: Is it him and his globalist type?

Question: Or is it you?

Tell me how I don't know?

Ireland following suit.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/farmers-face-28-target-on-carbon-cuts-9nls20mb0

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A carbon reduction target of 27 or 28 per cent is expected to be agreed this week by Eamon Ryan, the Green Party leader, and Charlie McConalogue, the agriculture minister, according to government sources. The compromise would be closer to upper end of the 22 to 30 per cent range that was set for the agricultural sector in the climate action plan last year.
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"A target of 30 per cent would result in significantly reduced production, which could devastate the farming sector in Ireland," Irish Farmers' Association president Tim Cullinan previously said regarding such a move.

Even at the lower 28 per cent estimate, one of the Irish government's own officials emphasised that it would not be business as usual, with such a measure requiring drastic changes in Irish farming.

"The targets assigned to each sector must be proportionate and reflective of the overall contribution," Department of Agriculture chief inspector Bill Callanan reportedly told a parliamentary committee last week.

"Unlike in other sectors where technologies and/or lifestyle changes can be utilised, there are no silver-bullet solutions to reducing emissions from the agriculture and land use sector," he went on to say.

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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Tell me how I don't know?

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Provide anything to support your claim in regards to fertilizer usage on golf courses.

And I know you don't know, because your argument is based on yield. Golf courses don't manage to a desired yield.

Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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Ireland following suit.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/farmers-face-28-target-on-carbon-cuts-9nls20mb0

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A carbon reduction target of 27 or 28 per cent is expected to be agreed this week by Eamon Ryan, the Green Party leader, and Charlie McConalogue, the agriculture minister, according to government sources. The compromise would be closer to upper end of the 22 to 30 per cent range that was set for the agricultural sector in the climate action plan last year.
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"A target of 30 per cent would result in significantly reduced production, which could devastate the farming sector in Ireland," Irish Farmers' Association president Tim Cullinan previously said regarding such a move.

Even at the lower 28 per cent estimate, one of the Irish government's own officials emphasised that it would not be business as usual, with such a measure requiring drastic changes in Irish farming.

"The targets assigned to each sector must be proportionate and reflective of the overall contribution," Department of Agriculture chief inspector Bill Callanan reportedly told a parliamentary committee last week.

"Unlike in other sectors where technologies and/or lifestyle changes can be utilised, there are no silver-bullet solutions to reducing emissions from the agriculture and land use sector," he went on to say.

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All in the name of dubious $cience. And never followed by reductions of wealth of the top. Amazing. Its starting to look like the real issue is figuring out which one the anti-Christ comes from because the time really does look like arriving.

Farmers do not over fertilize. They have their fields tested and know how much of what kinds of fertilizers they need to produce the crop they intend to plant. It is well understood how much fertilizer is needed to produce a healthy abundant crop. To use more fertilizer than required is wasting money and reduces profit. Farmers do not do that.

For some reason the "Elites" want to reduce world food production. It is really disturbing that more and more countries are stepping forward and announcing that they are going to reduce food production.

pic.twitter.com/B7yo20NsPK

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) July 25, 2022

Well that's scary as hell.

But sadly, that's the direction we're going.

PaulC_80 said:

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Farmers do not over fertilize. They have their fields tested and know how much of what kinds of fertilizers they need to produce the crop they intend to plant. It is well understood how much fertilizer is needed to produce a healthy abundant crop. To use more fertilizer than required is wasting money and reduces profit. Farmers do not do that.

For some reason the "Elites" want to reduce world food production. It is really disturbing that more and more countries are stepping forward and announcing that they are going to reduce food production.

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Maybe their citizens need to reduce their intake and blockade their ministries.

Fertilizer is not a pollutant.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Fertilizer is not a pollutant.

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Which would tend to confirm malevolent motives for the policies wouldn't it---if it is not even what allegedly is concerning?

titan said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Fertilizer is not a pollutant.

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Which would tend to confirm malevolent motives for the policies wouldn't it---if it is not even what allegedly is concerning?

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It's a sellable fear and fear is the product of choice for politicians.

Have you heard any politicians talk about what happens to food costs without fertilizer? How much more land and energy's will be required to replace the lost yields?

Since the liberals are going to lose on the present issues, they are switching to climate and the environment.

An L of an Ag said:

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As someone said earlier (or maybe on another thread), it's time for the Sri Lanka response - not more convoys or protests.

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Sri Lankan "Responders" showed us all, including Dutch and Canadian farmers, The Way.....

I think a lot of these world leaders watched Infinity War/End Game and really want to follow Thanos' plan. Kill half the people on earth and all will be well. More land, more power, and more everything for the elite class that is left. Just need to balance to have enough peons to work.

dubberage said:

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I think a lot of these world leaders watched Infinity War/End Game and really want to follow Thanos' plan. Kill half the people on earth and all will be well. More land, more power, and more everything for the elite class that is left. Just need to balance to have enough peons to work.

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Read something a few months ago that discussed Robotics and Artificial Intelligence. It said that it was believed that R&AI would be able to take over and do 65% of all jobs done by humans. About 65% of the people in the U.S. are now vaxed and I think about 65% of the industrialized worlds population is also vaxxed. Coincidence ? ?

Do you think that the Elites would let 65% of the people in the industrialized world to comfortably live their lives without ever holding a job ? ? They would just collect a check every month from the producers to just stay out of the way ? ? Yeah, me neither.

There is one major problem with that scenario, from their pov. The kind of minds that are elite -- politicians, reporters, hedge funders, billionaires-- and the kind of workers they would keep around --- will NOT INVENT anything much new.

The kind of technology they are enjoying was not the product of two-class societies and Marxist approaches.

They will stagnate pretty fast. Nor will "willing it" create the innovation. The kind of outside-the-box minds that innovate are not created by conformist groupthink conditions.

It has been said one of the reasons China didn't pull ahead of the West was because their govt and class strata were too stable, to static. Not free from war -- but free from the kind of conditions that breed invention and curiosity outside. How true that is is hard to say, but there is no doubt about the kind of systems that breed innovation and the kind that do not.

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ManchuAg03 said:

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Idiots are solving a problem (that I don't think needs to be solved FYI) with no solutions on the back end.

- cut fertilizer without any viable alternative and people will starve to death.
- cut energy without any viable alternative and people will freeze to death.

But not the elite...

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Cold, hungry people are easy to control.

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1 in 100 cold, hungry people with guns turns into an assassin.

aggiepanic95 said:

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We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.

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That's their goal

dubberage said:

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I think a lot of these world leaders watched Infinity War/End Game and really want to follow Thanos' plan. Kill half the people on earth and all will be well. More land, more power, and more everything for the elite class that is left. Just need to balance to have enough peons to work.

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Ironically even Thanos realized it was a mistake leaving half of everyone alive because they'd remember what they lost and would want revenge. These elites are too arrogant to believe that the remaining people would Mussolini their sorry asses, but that's exactly what would happen irl.

Daddy said:

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aggiepanic95 said:

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We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.

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That's their goal

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Humans emit methane just like cows…… they are coming for us.

The West has built the largest and most affluent middle class the Earth has ever known because of abundant food, cheap energy, low government regulation, low taxes and personal freedoms.

If you want to kill off that middle class, you start taking things away such as cheap and abundant energy and food.

You have your head in the sand if you think they don't want us exterminated.

I do not understand why the Canadian Parliament doesn't stop Trudeau from destroying their country.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Fertilizer is not a pollutant.

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A pollutant is whatever the climate zealot lunatics say it is. And half the population won't question it because they are convinced this climate change nonsense needs to be dealt with and only governments can do that.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Tell me how I don't know?

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Provide anything to support your claim in regards to fertilizer usage on golf courses.

And I know you don't know, because your argument is based on yield. Golf courses don't manage to a desired yield.

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Funky, lbs/ac is the basis. I used corn because corn uses a lot of nitrogen. I could have used any crop that requires lots of nitrogen. I know the rates for both, you don't know up from down. Now either tell me how you know I don't know or STFU.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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The West has built the largest and most affluent middle class the Earth has ever known because of abundant food, cheap energy, low government regulation, low taxes and personal freedoms.

If you want to kill off that middle class, you start taking things away such as cheap and abundant energy and food.

You have your head in the sand if you think they don't want us exterminated.

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Still have some real doubt that is what is going on rather than some massive money laundering and redistribution project, but if it pans out, the deal is to make sure take down with you.

titan said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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The West has built the largest and most affluent middle class the Earth has ever known because of abundant food, cheap energy, low government regulation, low taxes and personal freedoms.

If you want to kill off that middle class, you start taking things away such as cheap and abundant energy and food.

You have your head in the sand if you think they don't want us exterminated.

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Still have some real doubt that is what is going on rather than some massive money laundering and redistribution project, but if it pans out, the deal is to make sure take down with you.

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Then you are naive.

Or just old fashioned incompetence.

Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Tell me how I don't know?

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Provide anything to support your claim in regards to fertilizer usage on golf courses.

And I know you don't know, because your argument is based on yield. Golf courses don't manage to a desired yield.

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Funky, lbs/ac is the basis. I used corn because corn uses a lot of nitrogen. I could have used any crop that requires lots of nitrogen. I know the rates for both, you don't know up from down. Now either tell me how you know I don't know or STFU.

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Does a degree in Agronomy and 35 years in the golf business count? Yes, you used corn but you based its requirements on a desired yield. Golf courses don't manage fertility to a desired yield and not all golf courses fertilize equally, but I guess you already knew that. You do not have a clue what you are talking about and you haven't posted anything to support your claim.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Farmer @ Johnsongrass, TX said:

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Tell me how I don't know?

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Provide anything to support your claim in regards to fertilizer usage on golf courses.

And I know you don't know, because your argument is based on yield. Golf courses don't manage to a desired yield.

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Funky, lbs/ac is the basis. I used corn because corn uses a lot of nitrogen. I could have used any crop that requires lots of nitrogen. I know the rates for both, you don't know up from down. Now either tell me how you know I don't know or STFU.

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Does a degree in Agronomy and 35 years in the golf business count? Yes, you used corn but you based its requirements on a desired yield. Golf courses don't manage fertility to a desired yield and not all golf courses fertilize equally, but I guess you already knew that. You do not have a clue what you are talking about and you haven't posted anything to support your claim.

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We have the same degree, I have a Masters in Soils, all from the same institution as you and I have more years than you. My company sold more fertilizer to more distributors to golf courses across America than anyone else. Another company I worked for was the largest full service consultant to the most PGA courses. Do I win the peter measuring contest yet? Dr. Lloyd Hossner taught you better than that, I think. Maybe math isn't your strong suit. Try application rate based on a 1X1 or a 3X3 square, should conversions give you math anxiety and fundamentals are needed. Hopefully you know what that means. ... It's all math. My original question still needing an answer is - how do you know that I don't know? You tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about and swim in my lane. You dove into a deep pool - Dunning Kruger Effect. Just answer my question with an answer and not a question.