A responsible POTUs would make the announcement that thr US will review our current agricultural demands for the nation before we review export demands.

The reduction in product/acre is already an issue, then reduced fertilizer and finally the massive drought. Sept is going to have bad harvest numbers.

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Are you talking about as the Soviet Union or this century?

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This century to curtail American and European natural gas development.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/596304-investigate-russias-covert-funding-of-us-anti-fossil-fuel-groups/

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Somebody up on fertilizer ratios help me out here: isn't it something like 4 times more organic fertile is needed than basic nitrogen fertilizer? So you gotta purchase, ship and store all that organic stuff which could be what? Treated human sewage?
(Asking as a non-farmer)

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On the right track. Organic fertilizer isn't as high in nutrients so you to apply more. Normally you're talking manure or chicken litter. Expensive to transport long distances.

Humane waste has the issues with concentrations of heavy metals which make your land toxic waste dump over time.

I'm not sure why any country wants to severely damage their food production, but this will help food,exporting countries sell higher price goods to Canada

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There is no way you are going to feed 8 billion humans without synthetic fertilizers. The numbers just don't work, and NOx emissions from agriculture are not the bogeyman Trudeau thinks they are.

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Clearly that is the plan, starve out Africa and other developing countries

Energy and food. Literally our fuel for everything and these clowns want to destroy it. This kind of fundamental undermining of the people would be a heads on spikes issue in a different era, and that era had it right

And as recent as 1991 USSR shows that kind of "era" isn't really gone.

Canada may have less glue holding it together than America and more comparable to the USSR. We will see.

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Farms will fail, land will he purchased by billionaires/the government

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That's the plan.

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Somebody up on fertilizer ratios help me out here: isn't it something like 4 times more organic fertile is needed than basic nitrogen fertilizer? So you gotta purchase, ship and store all that organic stuff which could be what? Treated human sewage?
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On the right track. Organic fertilizer isn't as high in nutrients so you to apply more. Normally you're talking manure or chicken litter. Expensive to transport long distances.

Humane waste has the issues with concentrations of heavy metals which make your land toxic waste dump over time.

I'm not sure why any country wants to severely damage their food production, but this will help food,exporting countries sell higher price goods to Canada

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Because Liberals the world over are hate filled racists, yes even the ones on here, that believe in eugenics. Developed countries won't starve but most of Africa and Asia will.

Isn't it about the natural gas that it takes to make fertilizer?

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Isn't it about the natural gas that it takes to make fertilizer?

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Absolutely

Trudeau has not experience in what he is trying to do. It is amazing to me how a nation, even the US can elect idiots to lead them. The so called free nations of the world who are moving toward these so called eco friendly economies are opening themselves up for a collapse and the dictator countries like Russia and China will eat them through economic hostage.

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Umm the atmosphere is already 79% nitrogen. It is an inert gas that doesn't hold water like CO2.

This is shear lunacy.

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I think they mean NO3-, NO2- , NO and N2O. Nitrous Oxide (N2O) is the green house gas.

Perhaps the Canadian farmers should preview what they are doing and turn it on them -- treat Ottawa like an enemy capital under siege and not send anything to it.

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Umm the atmosphere is already 79% nitrogen. It is an inert gas that doesn't hold water like CO2.

This is shear lunacy.

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The issue is that CO2 is a byproduct of ammonia production in the nitrogen fertilizer production process.



And Trudeau is a ****ing idiot

How far will Trudeau go? Are we about to see the new Kulaks?

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Trudeau and the left worldwide will be voted out of office for decades or murdered where they sit.

Leftists are either idealogical climate fools or purposefully trying to Cloward and Piven the world into socialism, death and misery.

They will not be successful. People worldwide won't stand to be starved into submission by self appointed kings and queens flying in private jets and eating cake!

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I'm not sure sure about that. We'll be eating bugs and living in tiny apartments by then. We're basically boiled frogs already.

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We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.

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We should TEXIT from Canada, amirite?!

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Yes. And we should ship them several million Central Americans that are coming thru Texas illegally.

No, think Tuileries 1793 is more likely.

I wonder if the Canadians can recall him? No confidence vote? Etc

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Idiots are solving a problem (that I don't think needs to be solved FYI) with no solutions on the back end.

- cut fertilizer without any viable alternative and people will starve to death.
- cut energy without any viable alternative and people will freeze to death.

But not the elite...

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Cold, hungry people are easy to control.

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They're going to learn that full bellies also keeps the mob from tearing the ruling class to pieces. Sadly I think there are nihilists in charge that think they're doing the world a service.

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We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.

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Hopefully Trudeau and his ilk are the first to go.

Where can I get on the list to run a bug farm in an outlying province like the dude in Bladerunner 2049?

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Umm the atmosphere is already 79% nitrogen. It is an inert gas that doesn't hold water like CO2.

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Oh, you mean you don't agree with their version of science? I thought these people had all the scientific answers society needs.

The Chinese and Russians used this strategy on the outset of their communist revolutions and then were shocked when tens and hundreds of millions died.

I am absolutely shocked that Trudeau would attempt the same strategy as his communist counterparts.
^^not really shocked^^

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We are hitting critical mass. This will end in mass deaths, one way or another.

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They are purposely trying to tank the global economy. As Obama telegraphed, there is opportunity in crisis. I the one they are creating is for all the marbles.

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So is Putin part of it, or outside it and actually a spoiler? Ukraine and Russian in the middle of a war have found a way to resume exports.

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Remember when Obama told Putin he would have more flexibility after the election? Russia attacking Ukraine is coordinated, as is the billions in cash we are sending them, the increase in gas prices and fertilizer and food prices, as will be the never ending nature of our payments to one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Creating the next global crisis to finish what COVID started

They'll crash the global economy and food supply at the same time to achieve their goal of mass chaos, no more middle class, endless refugees pouring in and giving them the absolute authority they've always wanted

#GlobalHungerGames

Artificial reduction of the food supply worldwide.

For the last 50 years it's been "employ tech to increase the food supply so we can feed all the starving people of the World". Now I guess they don't matter?

The WEF is backing this ploy. This is the beginnings of using food resources as a tool of control.

If we had the CIA of old, we'd stop this now.

It is hard to imagine such evil existing today. And I want to believe this is just mass Ecco delusion.

BUT the people making these policy decisions are not idiots. It does appear that as the world is sliding quickly into chaos we have not seen since the 1930s, the progressive (commienazi) movement worldwide is moving to murder billions through starvation and forcing billions more into subsistence level poverty.

1. Shut down the world's economies and cripple supply chains for a bad flu that is only dangerous to unhealthy people and healthy ones over 60+.

2. Impede / cripple the ability to explore for, produce and refine oil and natural gas.

3. Move to green energy in locations where it will not work.

4. Cut use of fertilizers when they are becoming scarce due to biggest European war since WWII and busted supply chain.

5. Outlaw emissions that provide for our modern world while also making it impossible to use cleaner nuclear energy that might make a real difference.

6. Create system to reward / punish corporations for our closely they follow these and many other crippling
policies.


I hope we get a 1793 response in time to turn around these policies. It will be the difference in 1 billion or 2 billion dead from starvation this decade.

Edit: fixed nuclear paragraph.

It just means world hunger was solved, right?

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Creating the next global crisis to finish what COVID started

They'll crash the global economy and food supply at the same time to achieve their goal of mass chaos, no more middle class, endless refugees pouring in and giving them the absolute authority they've always wanted

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So why not sweep that "they'll" agenda away? Just use the membership list as "can't set policy" as a start. Canada should boot Trudeau on that basis alone.

Who voted for that guy?

You actually don't want 1793. More like 1792 skips to 1799. If France is your model. Or 1792 becomes abruptly 1776 is closer to it.

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Trudeau has not experience in what he is trying to do. It is amazing to me how a nation, even the US can elect idiots to lead them. The so called free nations of the world who are moving toward these so called eco friendly economies are opening themselves up for a collapse and the dictator countries like Russia and China will eat them through economic hostage.

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You cannot equate Russia and China in any discussion about food. Russia is the worlds #1 grain exporter and we're the worlds #1 food exporter. China, on the other hand, is the worlds #1 food importer. Canada is a net food exporter as well. Actions like these by governments of exporting nations are going to hit China very, very hard. China sells cheap labor for food and these actions all but guarantee there simply won't be enough food for them to buy. There's just not a way to spin this as good for China.

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You cannot equate Russia and China in any discussion about food. Russia is the worlds #1 grain exporter and we're the worlds #1 food exporter. China, on the other hand, is the worlds #1 food importer. Canada is a net food exporter as well. Actions like these by governments of exporting nations are going to hit China very, very hard. China sells cheap labor for food and these actions all but guarantee there simply won't be enough food for them to buy. There's just not a way to spin this as good for China.

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This means China may have a direct stake in taking action against the setters of such policy. Talk about being a wild card. Was unaware of that part.