The lack of building codes, etc. in unincorporated Liberty County, like elsewhere, has led to some really bad housing conditions for migrants who make their way to those communities...

But 20,000 lots and over 100,000 people around Plum Grove? That's some extraordinary hyperbole.

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Do what?

Plum Grove has a city limit population just over 1,000. I find it a bit hard to believe that a bunch of illegals have set up that many.

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Maybe it's just near Plum Grove. There's this article
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/an-alien-haven-in-southeast-texas/

talking about an illegal alien community about 5 miles from Plum Grove

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CDUB98 said:

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Do what?

Plum Grove has a city limit population just over 1,000. I find it a bit hard to believe that a bunch of illegals have set up that many.

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You haven't been out to Plum Grove/Splendora lately then. They are developing somewhere around 20,000 acres and selling thousands of lots a year. We have business dealings out there and it really is like little Mexico. Reminds me a lot of what you see in the Rio Grande Valley and Northern Mexico. I could easily see 100,000 people in that development in the next 10 years or so. You can buy a lot for a couple thousand dollars and there doesn't appear to be any building codes. One lot may have a decent middle class home going up and the next one may have a shanty built out of plywood and cardboard. It's a site to behold.

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Yep , like Mexico.

Half of Plum Grove was under water during Harvey. Better make sure those houses come with a flotation device.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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The lack of building codes, etc. in unincorporated Liberty County, like elsewhere, has led to some really bad housing conditions for migrants who make their way to those communities...

But 20,000 lots and over 100,000 people around Plum Grove? That's some extraordinary hyperbole.

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Take a gander at Google maps satellite view and tell me if you still think so? Those lots being sold are barely large enough for a trailer house. I was told most of the lots are sold 3 or 4 times each because the are defaulted on so often. When you look at the satellite view, realize you are just seeing the first development phase. When completed, it's supposed to be near 20,000 acres in size. The times I've been out there, very few people speak English. It even has the packs of feral dogs running around everywhere just like I've seen in the Rio Grande Valley, Northern Mexico and rural third world counties I've visited.

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Wow. Just looked. Cannot fathom how many folks will be there.

I know some folks who do developments like this near McAllen. They owner finance the lots and don't allow any permanent construction until you're x% (50%?) paid off so there are always tons of run down RVs. Some crazy number (75%+) pay for a few years and then walk away. The lots get resold many times before actually getting built.

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Ag97 said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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The lack of building codes, etc. in unincorporated Liberty County, like elsewhere, has led to some really bad housing conditions for migrants who make their way to those communities...

But 20,000 lots and over 100,000 people around Plum Grove? That's some extraordinary hyperbole.

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Take a gander at Google maps satellite view and tell me if you still think so? Those lots being sold are barely large enough for a trailer house. I was told most of the lots are sold 3 or 4 times each because the are defaulted on so often. When you look at the satellite view, realize you are just seeing the first development phase. When completed, it's supposed to be near 20,000 acres in size. The times I've been out there, very few people speak English. It even has the packs of feral dogs running around everywhere just like I've seen in the Rio Grande Valley, Northern Mexico and rural third world counties I've visited.

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Wow. Just looked. Cannot fathom how many folks will be there.

I know some folks who do developments like this near McAllen. They owner finance the lots and don't allow any permanent construction until you're x% (50%?) paid off so there are always tons of run down RVs. Some crazy number (75%+) pay for a few years and then walk away. The lots get resold many times before actually getting built.

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Apparently it's the exact same in Plum Grove. Certain people out there are making a killing off of the development but it's all shady as hell. I stopped my people from doing any more business out there because it was more trouble than it was worth.

East of 69 and north of the grand parkway. The community sits just east of Plum Grove Rd.

Is this why there's the random plethora of flea markets along 59 in Splendora?

I always thought that was odd that those things just popped up in Splendora.

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CDUB98 said:

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Do what?

Plum Grove has a city limit population just over 1,000. I find it a bit hard to believe that a bunch of illegals have set up that many.

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You haven't been out to Plum Grove/Splendora lately then. They are developing somewhere around 20,000 acres and selling thousands of lots a year. We have business dealings out there and it really is like little Mexico. Reminds me a lot of what you see in the Rio Grande Valley and Northern Mexico. I could easily see 100,000 people in that development in the next 10 years or so. You can buy a lot for a couple thousand dollars and there doesn't appear to be any building codes. One lot may have a decent middle class home going up and the next one may have a shanty built out of plywood and cardboard. It's a site to behold.

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We are seeing the same crap development in Hays County east of IH35 and into Caldwell County. Half the people moving in don't speak English.

We are getting bunch of big convenience stores called Poco Loco (ironically owned by Arabs). You can tell who they market to when they sell lard in 5-gallon buckets.

This place seems ripe for human trafficking. I wonder if Dolcefino is looking at that angle in his investigations.

Further, I wonder if any cartel members are there. We used to live on 5 acres between New Waverly and Cold Spring until about 5 years ago, and almost every month we would hear new stories of the feds busting cartel weed farms in the national forest. It would be interesting to see the traffic patterns of the vehicles leaving that place.

We must stop these developments immediately!

TXAggie2011 said:

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The lack of building codes, etc. in unincorporated Liberty County, like elsewhere, has led to some really bad housing conditions for migrants who make their way to those communities...

But 20,000 lots and over 100,000 people around Plum Grove? That's some extraordinary hyperbole.

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No, well over 20,000 acres now and growing. Most are 1/3 acre lots owner financed by the developer. So at least currently 60,000 lots. All on concrete streets with available community water and sewer hookups for a fee. But plenty are currently living there in shanties without full utility connection.

I drove around for an hour there a month ago and trust me, you would have to see it to believe it. True third world country. Some nicer places and plenty that are sad. One hundred percent Hispanic. Many have built their own home. Brick, concrete, Hardy, plywood, you name it and it's there.

The new grand parkway- Hwy 99 opened there a couple months ago and soon the connector roads in the subdivision will be out to 99. Tens of thousands of acres more timber properties are adjacent to the development and will be developed in the next decade. Cheapest land in the Houston area and plenty of immigrants that want their own lot/home.

Cleveland is the fastest growing school district in Tx. and will be for a long time.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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The lack of building codes, etc. in unincorporated Liberty County, like elsewhere, has led to some really bad housing conditions for migrants who make their way to those communities...

But 20,000 lots and over 100,000 people around Plum Grove? That's some extraordinary hyperbole.

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No, well over 20,000 acres now and growing. Most are 1/3 acre lots owner financed by the developer. So at least currently 60,000 lots. All on concrete streets with available community water and sewer hookups for a fee. But plenty are currently living there in shanties without full utility connection.

I drove around for an hour there a month ago and trust me, you would have to see it to believe it. True third world country. Some nicer places and plenty that are sad. One hundred percent Hispanic. Many have built their own home. Brick, concrete, Hardy, plywood, you name it and it's there.

The new grand parkway- Hwy 99 opened there a couple months ago and soon the connector roads in the subdivision will be out to 99. Tens of thousands of acres more timber properties are adjacent to the development and will be developed in the next decade. Cheapest land in the Houston area and plenty of immigrants that want their own lot/home.

Cleveland is the fastest growing school district in Tx. and will be for a long time.

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My brother is working on the utility design for this. It is the largest "privately owned" development in the county. I've seen the plans. It's an entire master planned city that will hold 70-80,000 people.

How are they buying this land? And, putting homes there? The infrastructure alone is in the millions of dollars. Are they getting all of this for free from the Feds? I have to say that I find this hard to believe. However, if true, it would not be a huge surprise. I wish someone would please provide proof in the form of GPS enabled pictures and/or documentation to support all of this.

CDUB98 said:

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Do what?

Plum Grove has a city limit population just over 1,000. I find it a bit hard to believe that a bunch of illegals have set up that many.

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Maybe you should drive up to Plum Grove and see what is actually going on!

You will be shocked!

Yes, the huge new transmission line from the South is coming right along from East of Huffman. Sheco connected a new line from the Se several years ago already.
The amount of raw land that can and will be developed within 10 miles of Plum Grove is mind boggling. Land there is currently significantly cheaper than other growing areas around Houston.

To start years ago, Trey Harris bought timber land cheap. Probably less that $2,000 per acre. 1/3 acre lots currently sell for 60,000. His company built their own empire. Concrete plants, and his own crews building the roads and infrastructure. Still building today. Including water and sewer plants. But I have never heard where the money came from to start it all. Had to be huge. He was smart enough to make it happen and smart enough to put it all on high land East of The San Jacinto River. Colony Ridge.

Google Earth is several years behind the current construction but still a good view.

Don't worry, it all drains into Lake Houston.

Mas89 said:

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To start years ago, Trey Harris bought timber land cheap. Probably less that $2,000 per acre. 1/3 acre lots currently sell for 60,000. His company built their own empire. Concrete plants, and his own crews building the roads and infrastructure. Still building today. Including water and sewer plants. But I have never heard where the money came from to start it all. Had to be huge. He was smart enough to make it happen and smart enough to put it all on high land East of The San Jacinto River. Colony Ridge.

Google Earth is several years behind the current construction but still a good view.

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Thanks Mas. From reading all of he witness accounts of this, it appears to be the real deal. Just one more example of how our government and the elitists are screwing over the middle class in this country. OMG.