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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Yes, just like how rare genetic and hormonal conditions that occur in less than 0.1% of the population means that 20% of children are trans and just don't know it yet.

I'm changing my sig for this.

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He is an extreme example and is probably categorized as "super duper morbidly obese" by your standards. There are millions of people that hit the gym regularly and have well above averages of dense/heavy muscle though and don't fare so well in simple BMI tests. Millions.

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Even 30 million would be less than 10% of the population. I would venture to say that it's probably closer to around 10 million regular weight lifters in the country, which means only around 3% of the population is an exception. Based upon what I see in my life daily, that's about right. The overwhelming majority of people I see are fat.

BMI was not originally intended to apply to individuals. It often fails at the individual level but does a decent job at the society level. If you apply it at the society level, the outliers on both sides fall off and you get a good picture of society.

Lazy health care professionals and other groups started applying it to individuals which is stupid.

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BMI isn't perfect, but it does have it's uses:

1) In is a good gauge for the vast majority of the population who are not highly fit, and

2) Any time it is brought up it gives people on the internet an opportunity to discuss how they are much too fit for BMI to be an accurate gauge personally.

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Agreed!

The overall results are accurate enough, but at the individual level, the methodology is crap, I am sorry. I get that it gives us close to the results we need for statistics, but anything that is designed to be an accurate gauge of peoples' health and can be so dead f-ing wrong when it comes to people in the best health in the world, is garbage and should probably be tweaked. Herschel Walker has been simultaneously yoked and in peak condition, and morbidly obese his whole life.

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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BMI is a good solid measure for normal people who don't lift weights and only do cardio or live sedentary lives. For 99% of the population it works.

I'm an obvious exception to the rule because I am huge muscular wise but I recognize I'm not even remotely close to the average person and it's obvious to me just from looking around.

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Thats not true, you don't have to be an athlete or lift weights for BMI to be off.

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Squadron7 said:

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BMI isn't perfect, but it does have it's uses:

1) In is a good gauge for the vast majority of the population who are not highly fit, and

2) Any time it is brought up it gives people on the internet an opportunity to discuss how they are much too fit for BMI to be an accurate gauge personally.

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Agreed!

The overall results are accurate enough, but at the individual, the methodology is crap, I am sorry. I get that it gives us close to the results we need for statistics, but anything that is designed to be an accurate gauge of peoples' health and can be so dead f-ing wrong when it comes to people in the best health in the world, is garbage and should probably be tweaked. Herschel Walker has been simultaneously yoked and in peak condition, and morbidly obese his whole life.

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BMI is useful for people who don't lift, end of story. Since our population is 330 million people and the amount that lifts weights is 10 million, that means that it's very useful for 320 million people, which in turn means the 10 million are a rounding error.

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Some of you people are ****ing ridiculous. BMI is one measurement. Only dumb**** trash tabloid media and smart asses like you treat it as some singular metric of health that has "flaws".

For most individuals, it's good enough on an individual basis to ask further questions about whether a person is in decent health or not. If you're some kind of star athlete, you have your answer. Same is true for a couch potato that is skinny because she barely eats between cigarettes and drinking binges. On a population level, it's a damn fine generalization because your borderlines are too few to matter that much. The sharp rise in the last 40 years is in obesity, and it's not because we all became chiseled gods.

So much of stupid American discourse, on all sides, is because of half wits popping off with their funfact outlier just to confuse an issue that's real.

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Nah, this is just fats coping with their own obesity. Go look at pictures from the 1960s and 70s and wow what a shocker, the vast majority of the population would conform to BMI healthy norms.

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This is priceless…5'10" - 240 lbs. and criticizing fat people!

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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BMI is a good solid measure for normal people who don't lift weights and only do cardio or live sedentary lives. For 99% of the population it works.

I'm an obvious exception to the rule because I am huge muscular wise but I recognize I'm not even remotely close to the average person and it's obvious to me just from looking around.

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Thats not true, you don't have to be an athlete or lift weights for BMI to be off.

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Then explain why every single person from the 1960s fit into the healthy profile.





I see perhaps 5 total obese people. All of the rest would be guaranteed to fit into the healthy BMI range. Obesity is a very recent issue.

BMI is a tool to try and fit most people into a classification. I think it works fairly well for 95% of people.

I'm 6'1", was 245 and classified as obese. I was fat for sure.

I'm now 215 and newly classified as overweight. Just got there as the cutoff is 219. I'm still plenty fat and can pinch an inch on my waist and back fat. If you can pinch an inch of fat you are probably overweight regardless of what BMI says.

To get to healthy BMI means I need to get to 182. I think that is a bit unrealistic and that 200 is more realistic. I'll evaluate when I hopefully get to 200.

I don't know how people function being truly fat. I had moderate sleep apnea and felt like crap all the time. Dropping the weight has greatly helped both. My sleep doctor says I need to be 180 to not have any sleep apnea.

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Some of you people are ****ing ridiculous. BMI is one measurement. Only dumb**** trash tabloid media and smart asses like you treat it as some singular metric of health that has "flaws".

For most individuals, it's good enough on an individual basis to ask further questions about whether a person is in decent health or not. If you're some kind of star athlete, you have your answer. Same is true for a couch potato that is skinny because she barely eats between cigarettes and drinking binges. On a population level, it's a damn fine generalization because your borderlines are too few to matter that much. The sharp rise in the last 40 years is in obesity, and it's not because we all became chiseled gods.

So much of stupid American discourse, on all sides, is because of half wits popping off with their funfact outlier just to confuse an issue that's real.

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Nah, this is just fats coping with their own obesity. Go look at pictures from the 1960s and 70s and wow what a shocker, the vast majority of the population would conform to BMI healthy norms.

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This is priceless…5'10" - 240 lbs. and criticizing fat people!

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Alright I'll post physique. I already said I wasn't natural but here you go.

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Some of you people are ****ing ridiculous. BMI is one measurement. Only dumb**** trash tabloid media and smart asses like you treat it as some singular metric of health that has "flaws".

For most individuals, it's good enough on an individual basis to ask further questions about whether a person is in decent health or not. If you're some kind of star athlete, you have your answer. Same is true for a couch potato that is skinny because she barely eats between cigarettes and drinking binges. On a population level, it's a damn fine generalization because your borderlines are too few to matter that much. The sharp rise in the last 40 years is in obesity, and it's not because we all became chiseled gods.

So much of stupid American discourse, on all sides, is because of half wits popping off with their funfact outlier just to confuse an issue that's real.

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Nah, this is just fats coping with their own obesity. Go look at pictures from the 1960s and 70s and wow what a shocker, the vast majority of the population would conform to BMI healthy norms.

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This is priceless…5'10" - 240 lbs. and criticizing fat people!

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Alright I'll post physique. I already said I wasn't natural but here you go.

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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Yep. BMI is worthless. I'm in good physical shape, but am considered obese according to bmi.

I would have to drop 35lbs to have a good bmi, but would look like Matthew McConaughey in Dallas Buyers Club.

Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

Solid work fren

Surprisingly, quite a few fatties for the 60's in this one...is this a southern beach?

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The BMI chart may be bull**** in some cases but you can see with your eyes that there's a lot of fat people in this country.

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That's one of the reasons why I gave up on online dating and went back to meeting people the old way. Too many selective angles hiding things, and pictures from Obama's second term when they were 40lbs lighter.

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I'm getting pretty tired of the online dating thing as well. It's been a massive net negative on humanity in the same way social media has been.

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Truth

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Surprisingly, quite a few fatties for the 60's in this one...is this a southern beach?

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That was Coney Island actually.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

5'9" 150 lbs.

I see a bunch of kids and people that are in piss poor shape other than not being fat.

This "it's a recent issue" is garbage. It's been around since humans have. It's a higher percentage issue for certain subsets of the population for sure, and that is a more recent issue.

At my best shape I was 5'-7", 168 lbs. 8% body fat. Not huge muscularly, but very fit. And according to the BMI chart - I was overweight and borderline obese. I had a 6 pack and did as much cardio as I did weightlifting and was nowhere close to overweight or obese, but BMI charts said I was because they aren't a good measure for almost everybody and need to be revamped to be more accurate or a different metric should be used.

Because not everybody is Auschwitz skinny and shouldn't be.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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5'9" 150 lbs.

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I remember being 12, too.

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You're an exception to the rule. And those exceptions don't make the rule.

I was 5'10" 165 when I graduated HS. 38 years later, I'm still 165 pounds with 32 inch waste. I too am an exception. And my BMI is about 24. And I consider myself almost borderline overweight.

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....and you have no muscle mass and probably have to get your wife to open jars for you.

BMI is a crappy indicator of healthy weight, period.

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You must be fat...

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numetalbizkitaggie said:

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5'9" 150 lbs.

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I remember being 12, too.

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I speedran the third trimester in one month.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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True...why people in Asian countries have far fewer health problems than us. Tall, short, active, lazy...they are all closer to what we used to be.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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True, but I would also much rather not be either one. I don't think the average human comprehends how skinny 6'4" and 145 would look. People were badasses back then though, regardless of stature.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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True...why people in Asian countries have far fewer health problems than us. Tall, short, active, lazy...they are all closer to what we used to be.

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Their diet has a hell of a lot more to do with it. Same reason why India has one of the lowest rates of alzheimer's in the world - diet.

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Pookers said:

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The BMI chart may be bull**** in some cases but you can see with your eyes that there's a lot of fat people in this country.

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That's one of the reasons why I gave up on online dating and went back to meeting people the old way. Too many selective angles hiding things, and pictures from Obama's second term when they were 40lbs lighter.

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I'm getting pretty tired of the online dating thing as well. It's been a massive net negative on humanity in the same way social media has been.

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Question as it concerns the real number of people for whom a BMI index is accurate: If dating sites required listing a BMI...would you run towards or away from someone that listed a 30?

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First I'd have to look up what a 30 is. Second, yeah probably because it would be pretty obvious if she was obese or a powerlifter.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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True...why people in Asian countries have far fewer health problems than us. Tall, short, active, lazy...they are all closer to what we used to be.

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Their diet has a hell of a lot more to do with it. Same reason why India has one of the lowest rates of alzheimer's in the world - diet.

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I agree. They don't eat like sh** like so many Americans do.

Enlighten me on that last part though...I'm intrigued.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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True, but I would also much rather not be either one. I don't think the average human comprehends how skinny 6'4" and 145 would look. People were badasses back then though, regardless of stature.

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Yep.

For reference, Tom Brady at the combine was 6'-4" and 211 lbs. And he has no muscle definition, isn't fat, but isn't particularly bean pole skinny either - he is absolutely average in build.

60 lbs lighter and he is unhealthy, plain and simple.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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True...why people in Asian countries have far fewer health problems than us. Tall, short, active, lazy...they are all closer to what we used to be.

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Their diet has a hell of a lot more to do with it. Same reason why India has one of the lowest rates of alzheimer's in the world - diet.

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I agree. They don't eat like sh** like so many Americans do.

Enlighten me on that last part though...I'm intrigued.

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India in general incorporates a lot of curry in their food, curry has turmeric as one of the components of it and although western medicine will tell you that there is no clinical proof that it is responsible for the prevention of alzheimer's....it is one of the single biggest differences that can be identified in the diets of your average Indian (dot) and American, especially in the south where Alzheimer's is more prevalent.

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You're an exception to the rule. And those exceptions don't make the rule.

I was 5'10" 165 when I graduated HS. 38 years later, I'm still 165 pounds with 32 inch waste. I too am an exception. And my BMI is about 24. And I consider myself almost borderline overweight.

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....and you have no muscle mass and probably have to get your wife to open jars for you.

BMI is a crappy indicator of healthy weight, period.

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You must be fat...

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I prefer chubby.

But I can open my own jar and don't have to call AAA or ask my wife to break a lugnut free on a tire because I have muscle, so there's that.

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You're an exception to the rule. And those exceptions don't make the rule.

I was 5'10" 165 when I graduated HS. 38 years later, I'm still 165 pounds with 32 inch waste. I too am an exception. And my BMI is about 24. And I consider myself almost borderline overweight.

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....and you have no muscle mass and probably have to get your wife to open jars for you.

BMI is a crappy indicator of healthy weight, period.

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You must be fat...

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I prefer chubby.

But I can open my own jar and don't have to call AAA or ask my wife to break a lugnut free on a tire because I have muscle, so there's that.

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I too can do all that and look good in fitted suit.