BMI is a good metric to apply to a population, a poor metric for an individual. The obesity epidemic we are facing will lead to a massive demand for surgeons

AggieDruggist89 said:

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I believe this is a picture of American soldiers in the WWII. How many of them do you think weigh over 200 pounds or have a BMI over 25??? This is the look of a normal male. But now we have accepted a larger physique (muscular or not) as the norm.

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American men were MUCH smaller than current American males.

that is what a 10 year Great Depression will do to you.

whytho987654 said:

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BMI is a good metric to apply to a population, a poor metric for an individual. The obesity epidemic we are facing will lead to a massive demand for surgeons

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you think there are going to be a massive amount of trained surgeons

once ObamaHarrisButtygeggyCare goes into full effect in 2033?

AggieDruggist89 said:

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I remember seeing this movie some 40+ years ago. I thought Chuck Norris was pretty bulky.

Bruce Lee at 5'8" 141 pounds and Chuck Norris at 5'10" 155 pounds (maybe 170), they're fit and should be considered the norm.

It's not so much the BMI is flawed. It's more of how our perception of obesity has changed during the past 50 years.

Show me an adult male with no beer belly and waist of 30-34 and I bet you his BMI is less than 25 and that should be the norm. Not a BMI 30 steroid king.

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Nope- my waist is 33 and I have a BMI too high.

5'7 and probably around 164 pounds

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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True...why people in Asian countries have far fewer health problems than us. Tall, short, active, lazy...they are all closer to what we used to be.

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Their diet has a hell of a lot more to do with it. Same reason why India has one of the lowest rates of alzheimer's in the world - diet.

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I agree. They don't eat like sh** like so many Americans do.

Enlighten me on that last part though...I'm intrigued.

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India in general incorporates a lot of curry in their food, curry has turmeric as one of the components of it and although western medicine will tell you that there is no clinical proof that it is responsible for the prevention of alzheimer's....it is one of the single biggest differences that can be identified in the diets of your average Indian (dot) and American, especially in the south where Alzheimer's is more prevalent.

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… they also are more likely to be vegetarian, eat less beef, and consume more veggies. But no one wants to think of that

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Beef isn't the issue, that's been a staple of the western diet for more than 2000 years.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I remember seeing this movie some 40+ years ago. I thought Chuck Norris was pretty bulky.

Bruce Lee at 5'8" 141 pounds and Chuck Norris at 5'10" 155 pounds (maybe 170), they're fit and should be considered the norm.

It's not so much the BMI is flawed. It's more of how our perception of obesity has changed during the past 50 years.

Show me an adult male with no beer belly and waist of 30-34 and I bet you his BMI is less than 25 and that should be the norm. Not a BMI 30 steroid king.

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Nope- my waist is 33 and I have a BMI too high.

5'7 and probably around 164 pounds

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Well...you're at the bottom range of the height...so I'd expect the waist should be closer to 30 and not 34.

Sorry for not clarifying.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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I believe this is a picture of American soldiers in the WWII. How many of them do you think weigh over 200 pounds or have a BMI over 25??? This is the look of a normal male. But now we have accepted a larger physique (muscular or not) as the norm.

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American men were MUCH smaller than current American males.

that is what a 10 year Great Depression will do to you.

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American men have not gained much in height during the past century but gained a bunch of weight.

I thought I read men gained an inch in height but about 30 pounds in weight from 1950's to 1990's.

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whytho987654 said:

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BMI is a good metric to apply to a population, a poor metric for an individual. The obesity epidemic we are facing will lead to a massive demand for surgeons

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you think there are going to be a massive amount of trained surgeons

once ObamaHarrisButtygeggyCare goes into full effect in 2033?

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Already happened.

The volume of Knee replacement surgeries doubled from 2000 to 2017.

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whytho987654 said:

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BMI is a good metric to apply to a population, a poor metric for an individual. The obesity epidemic we are facing will lead to a massive demand for surgeons

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you think there are going to be a massive amount of trained surgeons

once ObamaHarrisButtygeggyCare goes into full effect in 2033?

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Well, certain surgeons will be ok. If a full-on socialist system takes hold, ortho surgeons could just opt-out and go cash only, there won't be any shortage of knee or hip replacements due to obesity. Plastic surgeons already operate in a mostly cash-based practice. Currently, we have a massive shortage of general surgeons (idk why they call them gen surgeons, they are abdominal surgeons imo) and it's only going to get worse

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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True, but I would also much rather not be either one. I don't think the average human comprehends how skinny 6'4" and 145 would look. People were badasses back then though, regardless of stature.

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The average western adult today doesn't have any comprehension of what "normal" is, that's the point.

Our physiology has developed over the millions of years of primate evolution that preceded the excesses of the latter half of the 20th century. Our bodies have evolved such that physiologically healthy weights are what most today consider too skinny.

If you are 6'0", 140-150 in high school today you'll get called skinny. Nobody thought that in 1940, or at any previous point in human history.

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I am 6'5 and when I was in the best shape I weighed 225 with body fat % in the low teens and good muscle definition/size. Worked out all the time, ate clean, etc. According to BMI I was fat, which was simply false.

BMI seems to be very poor if you have any noticeable degree of muscle mass

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Across a whole society it is a reliable measure.

And at 6'5", 225 you'd have a BMI of only around 27. You would not be obese by that metric.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Holy cow....

National association to advance fat acceptance

Naafa.org

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Advocates for the obese say charging bigger passengers for an extra seat is simply not a solution. Such policies "add yet another way to discriminate against already marginalized fat people," said Peggy Howell, public relations director at the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, a nonprofit civil rights organization. She added, "We see this as more of an attempt at getting more money out of the consumer's pocket than any concern for our well-being as some have claimed."

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People need to play the inevitable out with our ever increasing weight gain as a country.

Airlines calculate weight and balance using average passenger weights. One for winter and a different one for rest of year. They recently increased these averages because of the overall societal weight gain.

But that isn't the real issue here.....real issue is that if this continues airlines will literally have to reduce the number of seats on planes because you will get to a point where fat people take up two seats all over the plane. Works for airlines as long as you are getting paid, but when the fat lobby gets these fat policies reversed (and they will) airlines will have no choice but to remove seats. Most of us will rejoice but you better be ready for airline prices to continue increasing as a result.

YouBet said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Holy cow....

National association to advance fat acceptance

Naafa.org

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Advocates for the obese say charging bigger passengers for an extra seat is simply not a solution. Such policies "add yet another way to discriminate against already marginalized fat people," said Peggy Howell, public relations director at the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, a nonprofit civil rights organization. She added, "We see this as more of an attempt at getting more money out of the consumer's pocket than any concern for our well-being as some have claimed."

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People need to play the inevitable out with our ever increasing weight gain as a country.

Airlines calculate weight and balance using average passenger weights. One for winter and a different one for rest of year. They recently increased these averages because of the overall societal weight gain.

But that isn't the real issue here.....real issue is that if this continues airlines will literally have to reduce the number of seats on planes because you will get to a point where fat people take up two seats all over the plane. Works for airlines as long as you are getting paid, but when the fat lobby gets these fat policies reversed (and they will) airlines will have no choice but to remove seats. Most of us will rejoice but you better be ready for airline prices to continue increasing as a result.

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Percs of being a younger fit guy, if you fly southwest and get a window seat a lot of young women will sit in the middle seat. So it saves me from sitting next to a 400 lb greasy guy and potential other benefits, works like a charm. For that reason I love southwest

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YouBet said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Holy cow....

National association to advance fat acceptance

Naafa.org

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Advocates for the obese say charging bigger passengers for an extra seat is simply not a solution. Such policies "add yet another way to discriminate against already marginalized fat people," said Peggy Howell, public relations director at the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, a nonprofit civil rights organization. She added, "We see this as more of an attempt at getting more money out of the consumer's pocket than any concern for our well-being as some have claimed."

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People need to play the inevitable out with our ever increasing weight gain as a country.

Airlines calculate weight and balance using average passenger weights. One for winter and a different one for rest of year. They recently increased these averages because of the overall societal weight gain.

But that isn't the real issue here.....real issue is that if this continues airlines will literally have to reduce the number of seats on planes because you will get to a point where fat people take up two seats all over the plane. Works for airlines as long as you are getting paid, but when the fat lobby gets these fat policies reversed (and they will) airlines will have no choice but to remove seats. Most of us will rejoice but you better be ready for airline prices to continue increasing as a result.

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Percs of being a younger fit guy, if you fly southwest and get a window seat a lot of young women will sit in the middle seat. So it saves me from sitting next to a 400 lb greasy guy and potential other benefits, works like a charm. For that reason I love southwest

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If you are observant and lucky, you can play the fat guy to your advantage. If you see a noticeably obese person in a window seat with no one in their aisle and if there is a seatbelt extender observable then take that aisle seat. Middle seat will remain open because fat guy had to pay for two.

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Percs of being a younger fit guy, if you fly southwest and get a window seat a lot of young women will sit in the middle seat. So it saves me from sitting next to a 400 lb greasy guy and potential other benefits, works like a charm. For that reason I love southwest

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I don't like SW because of the bs with the seating. The last couple of flights I took I didn't even try to check in early. I just picked a middle seat near the front of the plane in between two non-obese women.

Govt assistance should not cover fat items like coke, heck even coke zero

I like the idea of an additional luxury tax for non essential items like candy, coke, chips, etc

Well this chat has been lovely I've got to go now, there's a great thread on Food & Spirits about the best hot dog.

Cooking and nutrition should be a required 1 semester subject in HS.

I remember teaching health and having my students write down every meal they had not provided by the school. I gave them all planners to keep notes.

The sheer amounts of chicken strips and fries, burgers and fries, ramen, and frozen pizza they had every night and sometimes twice a day on the weekends was unreal.. Plus tons of hot Cheetos/Takis, monster drinks, big red, and Mnt Dew.

I kept one for me and one for the spawn.
They were shocked about daily salad, veggies, and yogurt for both of us.

This is why SNAP needs to be more like WIC. It removes the junk food option in the grocery store. He'll, I am even okay with a special allotment for a cookies, some instant pudding, and ramen.

But we have generations proud of not being able to cook.

When one of those health class students got married, he asked me for recipes for his wife, who likes t9 cook. He remembered asking me to bring him salads when I had leftovers. Shocked that O made my own dressings and croutons and never let ranch cross my doorstep.

We do also need to go back to daily PE and twice a day recess in elementary.

YouBet said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Holy cow....

National association to advance fat acceptance

Naafa.org

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Advocates for the obese say charging bigger passengers for an extra seat is simply not a solution. Such policies "add yet another way to discriminate against already marginalized fat people," said Peggy Howell, public relations director at the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, a nonprofit civil rights organization. She added, "We see this as more of an attempt at getting more money out of the consumer's pocket than any concern for our well-being as some have claimed."

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People need to play the inevitable out with our ever increasing weight gain as a country.

Airlines calculate weight and balance using average passenger weights. One for winter and a different one for rest of year. They recently increased these averages because of the overall societal weight gain.

But that isn't the real issue here.....real issue is that if this continues airlines will literally have to reduce the number of seats on planes because you will get to a point where fat people take up two seats all over the plane. Works for airlines as long as you are getting paid, but when the fat lobby gets these fat policies reversed (and they will) airlines will have no choice but to remove seats. Most of us will rejoice but you better be ready for airline prices to continue increasing as a result.

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A flight out of Birmingham was delayed over an hour due to a shortage of seatbelt extenders. Another flight had to deliver the needed extenders from a base. 25 of them.

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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And what % of the population is NFL LB?

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Not actually NFL lBs but built like them, and plenty of men are, doesn't change the fact that most people are fat now, but BMI isn't a good measuring stick.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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And what % of the population is NFL LB?

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Not actually NFL lBs but built like them, and plenty of men are, doesn't change the fact that most people are fat now, but BMI isn't a good measuring stick.

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Multiple things can be true:

1) Americans, and other westernized populations, are fatter than ever.

2) BMI is a horrible metric to use.

3) Liberals suck. (Keeping it political. )

What is a better measure/indicator than BMI?
Especially interested as I age on getting a better indicator as it was not a good one even when I was young.

According to these numbers, there's a lot of fatties fat shaming other fatties in this board. Chances are, most of you could stand to lose a few pounds.

BigRobSA said:

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Credible Source said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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And what % of the population is NFL LB?

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Not actually NFL lBs but built like them, and plenty of men are, doesn't change the fact that most people are fat now, but BMI isn't a good measuring stick.

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Multiple things can be true:

1) Americans, and other westernized populations, are fatter than ever.

2) BMI is a horrible metric to use.

3) Liberals suck. (Keeping it political. )

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Nailed it.

japantiger said:

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What is a better measure/indicator than BMI?
Especially interested as I age on getting a better indicator as it was not a good one even when I was young.

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Eyeballs

Philip J Fry said:

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According to these numbers, there's a lot of fatties fat shaming other fatties in this board. Chances are, most of you could stand to lose a few pounds.

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