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schmellba99 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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You're an exception to the rule. And those exceptions don't make the rule.

I was 5'10" 165 when I graduated HS. 38 years later, I'm still 165 pounds with 32 inch waste. I too am an exception. And my BMI is about 24. And I consider myself almost borderline overweight.

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....and you have no muscle mass and probably have to get your wife to open jars for you.

BMI is a crappy indicator of healthy weight, period.

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You must be fat...

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I prefer chubby.

But I can open my own jar and don't have to call AAA or ask my wife to break a lugnut free on a tire because I have muscle, so there's that.

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I too can do all that and look good in fitted suit.

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Hey, I do to. Amazing...and I don't have to be rail thin either!

A fitted suit.....think about that statement.

I looked good in a fitted suit I had one made a few yrs ago when I was about 380.

"Fitted".....

The internet.

schmellba99 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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schmellba99 said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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True, but I would also much rather not be either one. I don't think the average human comprehends how skinny 6'4" and 145 would look. People were badasses back then though, regardless of stature.

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Yep.

For reference, Tom Brady at the combine was 6'-4" and 211 lbs. And he has no muscle definition, isn't fat, but isn't particularly bean pole skinny either - he is absolutely average in build.

60 lbs lighter and he is unhealthy, plain and simple.

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Most guys in WWII who came from the Depression from families who worked on farms in the dust bowl were like that. Yes it's underweight but those same guys carried 100 lbs of military gear for years so clearly it wasn't that dangerous or unhealthy.

schmellba99 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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You're an exception to the rule. And those exceptions don't make the rule.

I was 5'10" 165 when I graduated HS. 38 years later, I'm still 165 pounds with 32 inch waste. I too am an exception. And my BMI is about 24. And I consider myself almost borderline overweight.

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....and you have no muscle mass and probably have to get your wife to open jars for you.

BMI is a crappy indicator of healthy weight, period.

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You must be fat...

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I prefer chubby.

But I can open my own jar and don't have to call AAA or ask my wife to break a lugnut free on a tire because I have muscle, so there's that.

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I too can do all that and look good in fitted suit.

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Hey, I do to. Amazing...and I don't have to be rail thin either!

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I doubt that... You still look fat in a fitted suit. And 165 pounds is hardly rail thin.

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A fitted suit.....think about that statement.

I looked good in a fitted suit I had one made a few yrs ago when I was about 380.

"Fitted".....

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Fitted is short for slim fit as more and more clothes cater to fat asses now... So what used to be the normal fitting clothes are now labeled slim fit or fitted and the clothes for the obese are now called regular or relaxed fit. FYI

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The Weight Replacement. https://t.co/dlzUCwwcoC

— Marcel Dumas 🇭🇹🇩🇴 (@anarchyinblack) June 21, 2022

There is absolutely no way this ends well for the US. I just don't understand how these people can look at a mirror and think "this is fine" and continue to stuff their massive gullet with candy, sweets, chips, and other processed garbage while ordering takeout 3 times a day. It's going to eventually crush our health care system if these rates keep skyrocketing like this.

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I've lost 70 pounds since June 1, 2020 (285 to 215 today)

It was a challenge to change eating habits but it was the right decision and I feel great at 57!

AggieDruggist89 said:

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Be honest, how many of ya get nervous when you have an empty seat next to you on the plane and see a 300 pounder coming down the aisle making eye contact with you???

Don't be that 300 pounder. Quit stuffing your face.

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Still one of the most epic TexAgs threads ever…

https://texags.com/forums/6/topics/537792/1#discussion

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Be honest, how many of ya get nervous when you have an empty seat next to you on the plane and see a 300 pounder coming down the aisle making eye contact with you???

Don't be that 300 pounder. Quit stuffing your face.

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Still one of the most epic TexAgs threads ever…

https://texags.com/forums/6/topics/537792/1#discussion

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Holy *****.. That's too funny. SAG

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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Yeah, that's why there's so many "obese" people. They're all huge muscle bound freaks.

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Gatorade has taught me it's ok to look like Stacy Abrams…….

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And likely have diabetes ….

There's nothing on earth that grosses me out more than seeing an obese person eating, especially junk food. Barf.

To understand America and obesity take a read: Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us is a book by Michael Moss

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Some of you people are ****ing ridiculous. BMI is one measurement. Only dumb**** trash tabloid media and smart asses like you treat it as some singular metric of health that has "flaws".

For most individuals, it's good enough on an individual basis to ask further questions about whether a person is in decent health or not. If you're some kind of star athlete, you have your answer. Same is true for a couch potato that is skinny because she barely eats between cigarettes and drinking binges. On a population level, it's a damn fine generalization because your borderlines are too few to matter that much. The sharp rise in the last 40 years is in obesity, and it's not because we all became chiseled gods.

So much of stupid American discourse, on all sides, is because of half wits popping off with their funfact outlier just to confuse an issue that's real.

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Easy there…don't give yourself a coronary over a discussion. Stress is another factor in heart disease

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There's nothing on earth that grosses me out more than seeing an obese person eating, especially junk food. Barf.

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BMI is flawed because I lift.....

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BigRobSA said:

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A fitted suit.....think about that statement.

I looked good in a fitted suit I had one made a few yrs ago when I was about 380.

"Fitted".....

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Fitted is short for slim fit as more and more clothes cater to fat asses now... So what used to be the normal fitting clothes are now labeled slim fit or fitted and the clothes for the obese are now called regular or relaxed fit. FYI

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Actually, if you watch shows like Leave it to Beaver, Bewitched, My Three Sons, etc. where the men are almost always in a suit, you'd notice they don't wear the kind of fitted suites many men do today. They look more comfortable while still tailored. Most "fitted" suits today make men look more like Peewee Herman or like they bought the suit 10-15 pounds ago rather than a classically put together professional. I'm willing to bet "fitted" suits will one day be looked back upon like we do mullets, parachute pants, and shoulder pads: sometimes brought back intentionally but more often ironically and almost always leave people wondering why it was ever considered fashionable in the first place.

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More walking and less driving. I'd bet that people that live in more dense area where they can walk to work or walk to their public transportation have better health.

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This bears repeating. The car-centric way that our cities have been built forces people to drive for everything, and it takes more of an effort to walk. Most streets are dangerous for pedestrians because of the way they have designed.

Yes and no.

Not talking skinny jeans. If you're familiar with Brooks Brothers suits, there are three fits. Milano (slim fit), Regent (Reg-too big for me) and Madison for SOG.

I doubt BB Milano will be looked upon as likes of mullets, parachute pants and shoulder padded jackets.

BAP Enthusiast said:

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The Weight Replacement. https://t.co/dlzUCwwcoC

— Marcel Dumas 🇭🇹🇩🇴 (@anarchyinblack) June 21, 2022

There is absolutely no way this ends well for the US. I just don't understand how these people can look at a mirror and think "this is fine" and continue to stuff their massive gullet with candy, sweets, chips, and other processed garbage while ordering takeout 3 times a day. It's going to eventually crush our health care system if these rates keep skyrocketing like this.

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I'm reading this from a Golden Corral

Just looked that specific one up online. I'll agree it isn't as tight as the ones I was picturing, but the pants are too short. I shouldn't see your socks when you are just standing there.

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Just looked that specific one up online. I'll agree it isn't as tight as the ones I was picturing, but the pants are too short. I shouldn't see your socks when you are just standing there.

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Then how would TexAgs evaluate your ankles....

Well, going by this thread, every man here is 6'2" and 240 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal. Ankles can be evaluated when they are in their athletic uniform that Jimbo it's dying to issue them, of course.

NVM

BAP Enthusiast said:

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The Weight Replacement. https://t.co/dlzUCwwcoC

— Marcel Dumas 🇭🇹🇩🇴 (@anarchyinblack) June 21, 2022

There is absolutely no way this ends well for the US. I just don't understand how these people can look at a mirror and think "this is fine" and continue to stuff their massive gullet with candy, sweets, chips, and other processed garbage while ordering takeout 3 times a day. It's going to eventually crush our health care system if these rates keep skyrocketing like this.

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Sounds like a great reason to make sure people pay for their own health care rather than have it subsidized by their fellow citizens. Make them incur the true cost of their choices.

The annoying thing about BMI being a ****ty metric is insurance companies use it to set premiums. Doesn't matter if you are in good shape or a fat slob, if your height/weight are what BMI says is "bad", you pay more.

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Be honest, how many of ya get nervous when you have an empty seat next to you on the plane and see a 300 pounder coming down the aisle making eye contact with you???

Don't be that 300 pounder. Quit stuffing your face.

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Still one of the most epic TexAgs threads ever…

https://texags.com/forums/6/topics/537792/1#discussion

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Wow, I didn't even know there was an Old Rivalries forum, lol

We've been lied to about diet

Sugar is in everything

This partially explains rising health insurance costs.

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Like others have said, yes we are very fat but BMI has always been a joke for me personally. At 6'1", I'm in the "healthy" range at 140-185 lbs. If I weighed 140, I would be confined to a hospital bed. At 18 years old In high-school, I weighed 185 and was thin as a twig. Anything under 200 and I promise you I am in a healthy weight range, but bmi would still call me rather overweight.

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But that's not a bad thing, anyway.. To have that warning flag pop up when get closer to edges of acceptable healthy weight... I went to the doctor and saw on the computer screen I was considered "overweight".. At 6'3.. 210... (the gutless obese doc didnt tell me it, but I saw it on the screen)..

Could I have justified myself as still healthy? Sure (always have lifted some on and off) .. But instead I used that as motivation to get in better shape... 5 - 6 years later and I've dropped / kept off 35 pounds.. Daily exercise and paying attention just a little better to what I eat. It's not complicated. Now in best shape of my life at 40.

Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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BMI is a reliable marker in the vast majority of people. Yes it becomes unreliable at the extremes of height and muscle mass (and a few other extremes), but most people do not fall into those categories.

The reality is that if you're posting in this thread and your BMI is 35, you aren't Lebron James. You're probably just fat. Many modern Americans just simply don't realize what a normal human body is supposed to look like historically.

Go look at pictures of American soldiers in WW2, you'll find yourself thinking "man these guys look underweight". Except they're not.

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Like others have said, yes we are very fat but BMI has always been a joke for me personally. At 6'1", I'm in the "healthy" range at 140-185 lbs. If I weighed 140, I would be confined to a hospital bed. At 18 years old In high-school, I weighed 185 and was thin as a twig. Anything under 200 and I promise you I am in a healthy weight range, but bmi would still call me rather overweight.

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The average size of an American soldier during WW2 at the time of deployment was 5'8", 144 pounds. The average weight of a 6'1" soldier was 166 pounds. My grandfather was 6'2" 180 pounds and was by far the largest appearing man in every photo there is of him from that time period in his life. I mean his size really stood out.

Now that being said you aren't obese at 6'1" until you hit around 220 pounds. But a "normal" weight for a man that height historically is between 160 and 180 pounds.

schmellba99 said:

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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True, but I would also much rather not be either one. I don't think the average human comprehends how skinny 6'4" and 145 would look. People were badasses back then though, regardless of stature.

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Yep.

For reference, Tom Brady at the combine was 6'-4" and 211 lbs. And he has no muscle definition, isn't fat, but isn't particularly bean pole skinny either - he is absolutely average in build.

60 lbs lighter and he is unhealthy, plain and simple.

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Go compare this photo to shirtless soldiers in WW1 or WW2. Tom Brady appears huge by comparison.

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Very true…to be fair, and this may be because they don't have much money left over after everything else, I was surprised by how fit the beach goers in Cali were on a recent trip. Far cry from Galveston. Guess they're also just more outdoorsy and active as well. This pic kind of sums up what I saw in Huntington and Venice Beach. They're a bunch of freaks out there, but in pretty darn good shape as far as the eye test goes.



Lol at the f-ing masks tho

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My grandfather was 6'4" and 145 when he went to WWII. People have completely lost touch about what healthy means. He worked hard in the fields growing up and was perfectly fine. Yeah he was a beanpole but this was normal back then and everyone was generally fit.

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Not really. And a whole mess of people were "skinny" simply because they weren't getting close to the caloric intake they should have because often times (more often than not), food or funds weren't available.

The flip side is that we eat way too much, and poorly today. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

But 6'-4 and 145 lbs is unhealthy skinny unless you are Starvin Marvin.

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It was during the depression, yeah that was normal back then. He made it through 4 years of WWII carrying normal amounts of gear so clearly he was alright.

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I would rather be 6'4" 145lb than 6'4" 300 lb with knee and hip replacements.

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True, but I would also much rather not be either one. I don't think the average human comprehends how skinny 6'4" and 145 would look. People were badasses back then though, regardless of stature.

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The average western adult today doesn't have any comprehension of what "normal" is, that's the point.

Our physiology has developed over the millions of years of primate evolution that preceded the excesses of the latter half of the 20th century. Our bodies have evolved such that physiologically healthy weights are what most today consider too skinny.

If you are 6'0", 140-150 in high school today you'll get called skinny. Nobody thought that in 1940, or at any previous point in human history.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Myles Garrett falls into the top 0.1% of humans in terms of body fat % and muscle mass.

Yours is a completely irrelevant point. It's like arguing 5'9" isn't a normal height because Yao Ming exists.

cisgenderedAggie said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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Because the average American is actually a pretty muscular athlete.

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BMI i think is a good generalized screener, but there are def flaws

im 5'10 170# and literally anyone who sees me would call me "lean" -- but my BMI is 24.4, nearly overweight