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texsn95 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Hawk2007 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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He's saying that just using BMI is a horrible method of determining anything. When I graduated HS I was 6'7" and 245. Excellent condition. BMI would say I was fat. It's an idiotic methodology.

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Sounds like you have a clear etiology as to why you're 6'7" and weigh 245. Keep in mind, there are a woman a full foot and more shorter than you that weigh more than you do (or did in HS) and claim poor genetics and hypothyroid.

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I'm in the 330s now. I'm 50, 51 in a month. HS was a long time ago. I got down to 280 a couple yrs ago with keto.

My point is that BMI, alone, isn't indicative of *****

After being 600+ a long time ago, my bones thickened. My skeleton weighs more now. Literally..."big boneded". That aside, I'm a fatty but am very active and have been slowly losing weight due to more labor intensive work. I'm also rarely sick, usually only needing doctors due to being a dumbass and not illness.

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I've never heard of that, crazy

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He's lying, that's now how it works. There have been side by side x-rays of morbidly obese people with normal healthy people and the skeletons are the same damn size. Bones don't increase in mass, it's why fats break bones so easily from regular falls. They have the same bones they did when they were normal weight yet there is an additional hundreds of pounds of force on them when they fall.

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I never broke anything, even though I fell a LOT more, when I was "he's coming right for us!" YUGE.

I broke my foot a couple years ago when I weighed less than I do now.

ETA: I'm not saying "big boneded" is an excuse. I'm fat because I eat more calories than I burn. Simple.

cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

BAP Enthusiast said:

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The Weight Replacement. https://t.co/dlzUCwwcoC

— Marcel Dumas 🇭🇹🇩🇴 (@anarchyinblack) June 21, 2022

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I really don't think this chart is showing us a dramatic increase in the number of highly fit NFL linebackers.

You should be throwing no shade in a thread like this at 5'7 220 lbs…

Humans evolved as lean creatures. This made up version of healthy we have normalized is not true to our bodies or our history.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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All of the fat people I see in public must be wearing clothing that doesn't fit well. Thanks for clearing that up.

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You should be throwing no shade in a thread like this at 5'7 220 lbs…

Humans evolved as lean creatures. This made up version of healthy we have normalized is not true to our bodies or our history.

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I stated right off the bat that I needed to drop some chub.

But i'll throw shade all day at somebody that thinks a healthy weight is bones and skin devoid of anything resembling muscle mass.

Humans have evolved as multiple types of body styles since day one, it's always been that way, and to think that being anything other than skinny or lean or whatever you want to call it is just stupid.

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You should be throwing no shade in a thread like this at 5'7 220 lbs…

Humans evolved as lean creatures. This made up version of healthy we have normalized is not true to our bodies or our history.

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Do a Google image search of street scenes form 40's, 50's, and even 60's.

What we would call large in those photos is nothing compared to today's "large".

It looks like Golden Corral is the official restaurant of the United States.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Yes, just like how rare genetic and hormonal conditions that occur in less than 0.1% of the population means that 20% of children are trans and just don't know it yet.

I'm changing my sig for this.

There are wayyyy too many fat people, and I see no end in sight. The ironic thing is that our poor people tend to be fat and our rich tend to be leaner. We are very unique in that regard and better get it figured out or trouble abounds.

My only argument is that the number is skewed a bit by our outdated means of obtaining BMI. I have friends who were in amazing shape and categorized as obese just because they were jacked gym rats.

1) nobody is saying we're not fatter now than before.

2) BMI is a horrible method to determine what our eyes can see, daily.

cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Yes, just like how rare genetic and hormonal conditions that occur in less than 0.1% of the population means that 20% of children are trans and just don't know it yet.

I'm changing my sig for this.

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He is an extreme example and is probably categorized as "super duper morbidly obese" by your standards. There are millions of people that hit the gym regularly and have well above averages of dense/heavy muscle though and don't fare so well in simple BMI tests. Millions.

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2) BMI is a horrible method to determine what our eyes can see, daily.

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It works fine for anyone whose health is actually in question due to weight.

BigRobSA said:

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1) nobody is saying we're not fatter now than before.

2) BMI is a horrible method to determine what our eyes can see, daily.

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Agree, 2 thing can be true at the same time.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Yes, just like how rare genetic and hormonal conditions that occur in less than 0.1% of the population means that 20% of children are trans and just don't know it yet.

I'm changing my sig for this.

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He is an extreme example and is probably categorized as "super duper morbidly obese" by your standards. There are millions of people that hit the gym regularly and have well above averages of dense/heavy muscle though and don't fare so well in simple BMI tests. Millions.

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In 15 years when he stops working out like an NFL LB he will likely fit the identifier.

Just for fun…multiply 0.001 by 300 million and tell me what you get.

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2) BMI is a horrible method to determine what our eyes can see, daily.

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It works fine for anyone whose health is actually in question due to weight.

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This is also true. I would even say it works well for anyone who doesn't spend quite a bit of time in the gym.

I'm not even saying the results are majorly skewed by people with above avg amounts of muscle. But they've gotta be to some extent.

More walking and less driving. I'd bet that people that live in more dense area where they can walk to work or walk to their public transportation have better health.

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The BMI chart may be bull**** in some cases but you can see with your eyes that there's a lot of fat people in this country.

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That's one of the reasons why I gave up on online dating and went back to meeting people the old way. Too many selective angles hiding things, and pictures from Obama's second term when they were 40lbs lighter.

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This is also true. I would even say it works well for anyone who doesn't spend quite a bit of time in the gym.

I'm not even saying the results are majorly skewed by people with above avg amounts of muscle. But they've gotta be to some extent.

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The word you are looking for, within the context of the subject matter of this thread, is "negligible".

cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Yes, just like how rare genetic and hormonal conditions that occur in less than 0.1% of the population means that 20% of children are trans and just don't know it yet.

I'm changing my sig for this.

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He is an extreme example and is probably categorized as "super duper morbidly obese" by your standards. There are millions of people that hit the gym regularly and have well above averages of dense/heavy muscle though and don't fare so well in simple BMI tests. Millions.

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In 15 years when he stops working out like an NFL LB he will likely fit the identifier.

Just for fun…multiply 0.001 by 300 million and tell me what you get.

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No way I am part of the .001 and my BMI metrics have been way off thanks to lots of gym time. I am not sure why you are so devoted to white knighting for BMI. It's starting to get weird. Agree to disagree?

And the extent is not enough to throw out BMI as an indicator for our society as whole were most people are average height and most likely have low activity levels.

Even if you throw out overweight as a grey area, we still have >40% clocking in at obese. The number of people who are classified as such incorrectly due to their activity levels or abnormal height is very low.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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Yes, just like how rare genetic and hormonal conditions that occur in less than 0.1% of the population means that 20% of children are trans and just don't know it yet.

I'm changing my sig for this.

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He is an extreme example and is probably categorized as "super duper morbidly obese" by your standards. There are millions of people that hit the gym regularly and have well above averages of dense/heavy muscle though and don't fare so well in simple BMI tests. Millions.

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In 15 years when he stops working out like an NFL LB he will likely fit the identifier.

Just for fun…multiply 0.001 by 300 million and tell me what you get.

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No way I am part of the .001 and my BMI metrics have been way off thanks to lots of gym time. I am not sure why you are so devoted to white knighting for BMI. It's starting to get weird. Agree to disagree?

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No, I'm just amused as **** at the number of people that always come out to claim they're just big boned, and at a bit of a lull between meetings. The Myles Garrett type defenses just make me want to talk *****

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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No BMI is fine. You had it right about fats trying to cope.

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So a 5-star SEC linebacker (or hell, even a safety) in peak physical shape is really obese? BMI is garbage. Or at least our outdated and over simplified ways of measuring it are.

Myles Garrett must only have weeks to live, if BMI is accurate…

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You are an exception like me. For 99% of the people posting on this thread? It works because none of them lift weights.

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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The Weight Replacement. https://t.co/dlzUCwwcoC

— Marcel Dumas 🇭🇹🇩🇴 (@anarchyinblack) June 21, 2022

There is absolutely no way this ends well for the US. I just don't understand how these people can look at a mirror and think "this is fine" and continue to stuff their massive gullet with candy, sweets, chips, and other processed garbage while ordering takeout 3 times a day. It's going to eventually crush our health care system if these rates keep skyrocketing like this.

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They think it's fine due to social conditioning. When overweight becomes the norm, people see overweight as a healthy, normal weight. If those who are overweight are seen as healthy, then the obese see themselves as simply overweight and convince themselves that means they should try to lose about 10 pounds or so. That's really no concern because 10 pounds can be lost as quickly as one month to six weeks with dieting. They'll start next month (but then realize that month has fourth of July which is a "food holiday, then decide to start in August but don't because of the stress of school starting back, September means football and tailgate parties, you get the idea - but no big deal because they are only sightly overweight).

Combine this with society pushing "body positivity" and not being able to call out extra pounds as the health risk they are and you get people who are convinced those who are a healthy weight are actually underweight, overweight people are average, obese is slightly over weight, and there is no reason for concern until you are eligible to be on My 600 Pound Life.





It's really not hard to convince people something unnatural or unhealthy is perfectly natural or healthy. You just keep bombarding them with it until their brain rewires into thinking it is so.

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Trans Drag Queens grooming little boys says - hold my beer!!

cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is also true. I would even say it works well for anyone who doesn't spend quite a bit of time in the gym.

I'm not even saying the results are majorly skewed by people with above avg amounts of muscle. But they've gotta be to some extent.

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The word you are looking for, within the context of the subject matter of this thread, is "negligible".

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Millions and millions of gym rats nationwide who almost assuredly score higher BMI than they would if they just ran or ate healthy and did no exercise at all. Negligible though.

I guess it might be negligible, but not as extreme as you think. Likely accounting for at least a few percentage points, maybe more. Also, I need to know where these stats come from…are educated and employed people over represented? If so, might be even less negligible.

Again, my gripe is with BMI…I guess it's personal. I'm not stating that way too many people are not way too fat.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is also true. I would even say it works well for anyone who doesn't spend quite a bit of time in the gym.

I'm not even saying the results are majorly skewed by people with above avg amounts of muscle. But they've gotta be to some extent.

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The word you are looking for, within the context of the subject matter of this thread, is "negligible".

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Millions and millions of gym rats nationwide who almost assuredly score higher BMI than they would if they just ran or are right and did no exercise at all. Negligible though. Might be negligible, but not as extreme as you think. Likely accounting for at least a few percentage points, maybe more. Also, I need to know where these stats come from…are educated and employed people over represented? If so, might be even less negligible.

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Holy splitting of hairs…

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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For every NFL linebacker there are a hundred unhealthy, skinny-fat people that BMI labels as healthy. (Skinny-fat = 15-20 pounds of extra fat, but no muscle mass at all so their BMI looks healthy)

At the population level BMI works pretty well.

cisgenderedAggie said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is also true. I would even say it works well for anyone who doesn't spend quite a bit of time in the gym.

I'm not even saying the results are majorly skewed by people with above avg amounts of muscle. But they've gotta be to some extent.

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The word you are looking for, within the context of the subject matter of this thread, is "negligible".

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Millions and millions of gym rats nationwide who almost assuredly score higher BMI than they would if they just ran or are right and did no exercise at all. Negligible though. Might be negligible, but not as extreme as you think. Likely accounting for at least a few percentage points, maybe more. Also, I need to know where these stats come from…are educated and employed people over represented? If so, might be even less negligible.

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Holy splitting of hairs…

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Nah, you're just a pretty simple guy.

BMI isn't perfect, but it does have it's uses:

1) In is a good gauge for the vast majority of the population who are not highly fit, and

2) Any time it is brought up it gives people on the internet an opportunity to discuss how they are much too fit for BMI to be an accurate gauge personally.

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Pookers said:

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The BMI chart may be bull**** in some cases but you can see with your eyes that there's a lot of fat people in this country.

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That's one of the reasons why I gave up on online dating and went back to meeting people the old way. Too many selective angles hiding things, and pictures from Obama's second term when they were 40lbs lighter.

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I'm getting pretty tired of the online dating thing as well. It's been a massive net negative on humanity in the same way social media has been.

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Artorias said:

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1939 said:

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We are definitely a fat society but those numbers are typically over inflated because they use BMI as a measure which is not a good measure.

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This is true. According to BMI, a 6'5 250lb NFL linebacker with 10% body fat is "obese"

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For every NFL linebacker there are a hundred unhealthy, skinny-fat people that BMI labels as healthy.

At the population level BMI works pretty well.

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Yep, likely within 5% pts. Good enough to get the point across that we are fat AF. But BMI is garbage for people who go to the gym. I'll die on that hill and anyone who disagrees with that or incapable of grasping is stupid.

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Not only is everyone on texags an internet millionaire, this place is also full of middle aged men that are 5'10" 240 with barrel chests and 31 inch waists.

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I actually am that, though my waist is 34-36". I am huge muscular wise and have measured my bodyfat and it hovers from 15 to 17 with calipers normally. I am an extreme outlier from the norm obviously and no one should ever use me as an example of why BMI does not work.

With that said, I could stand to lose some fat.

Lastly, I'm actually not fully natural anyway so there is even less reason to use me as an example. I'm on testosterone replacement therapy at 300 mg/week.

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is also true. I would even say it works well for anyone who doesn't spend quite a bit of time in the gym.

I'm not even saying the results are majorly skewed by people with above avg amounts of muscle. But they've gotta be to some extent.

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The word you are looking for, within the context of the subject matter of this thread, is "negligible".

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Millions and millions of gym rats nationwide who almost assuredly score higher BMI than they would if they just ran or are right and did no exercise at all. Negligible though. Might be negligible, but not as extreme as you think. Likely accounting for at least a few percentage points, maybe more. Also, I need to know where these stats come from…are educated and employed people over represented? If so, might be even less negligible.

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Holy splitting of hairs…

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Nah, you're just a pretty simple guy.

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Simple enough to read the citation for the data source in the posted graphic. Looking forward to seeing your write up when you go to the source and model it yourself after accounting for all your population readjustments and imputations.

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The Fife said:

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Pookers said:

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The BMI chart may be bull**** in some cases but you can see with your eyes that there's a lot of fat people in this country.

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That's one of the reasons why I gave up on online dating and went back to meeting people the old way. Too many selective angles hiding things, and pictures from Obama's second term when they were 40lbs lighter.

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I'm getting pretty tired of the online dating thing as well. It's been a massive net negative on humanity in the same way social media has been.

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Question as it concerns the real number of people for whom a BMI index is accurate: If dating sites required listing a BMI...would you run towards or away from someone that listed a 30?