suburban cowboy said:

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Ghenghis Khan

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Murdered 40 MILLION people in his 21 year reign. That's more than 5,000 per DAY.

infinity ag said:

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Damage is in terms of long term after-effects, not in direct damage.
The difference between this person being born and this person never being born being the largest in your opinion.

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Cousin Oliver
The guy who pushed free agency system
Bret Michaels
Ghenghis Khan
…not necessarily in that order

Bret Michaels

CSTXAg92 said:

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Sanger or Hitler and it's not even close

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Lol isn't Sanger the evil abirtion American lady also accused of hating black babies even more?

Evil fine, yes. Top 100 of all time? Not a big history buff I guess.

Hitler? He was not even the worst IN HIS OWN DECADE.

Unless you think Jewish people are the only humanity that counts.

Margaret Sanger and it isn't even close

Underdog91 said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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Ghenghis Khan

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Murdered 40 MILLION people in his 21 year reign. That's more than 5,000 per DAY.

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IIRC it was also about 1/3rd of world population at the time.

cbr said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Sanger or Hitler and it's not even close

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Lol isn't Sanger the evil abirtion American lady also accused of hating black babies even more?

Evil fine, yes. Top 100 of all time? Not a big history buff I guess.

Hitler? He was not even the worst IN HIS OWN DECADE.

Unless you think Jewish people are the only humanity that counts.

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Hitler is reflexively picked by many because of his motives, but there were plenty of historical figures responsible for far more deaths, even in the 20th century. To leftists and impressionable moderates, killing 6-11 million because you hate their race or religion is worse than killing 30-40+ million because they simply didn't go along with your political ambitions, or because your great leap forward was completely incompetent. I tend to go with the highest body count as the greatest evil. Hitler might be in my top ten, but he's not really a contender for #1.

Lee Harvey Oswald or whomever did it. The training wheels came off of society and it has been downhill ever since.

cbr said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Sanger or Hitler and it's not even close

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Lol isn't Sanger the evil abirtion American lady also accused of hating black babies even more?

Evil fine, yes. Top 100 of all time? Not a big history buff I guess.

Hitler? He was not even the worst IN HIS OWN DECADE.

Unless you think Jewish people are the only humanity that counts.

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There have been 63 million legal abortions in the United States from 1973 to 2019 alone. That's an average of 1.39 million per year...safe to say then that the total number now since 1973 is around $67 million. Prior to 1973, 20 states allowed legal abortions (40% of the US states). Probably not the same per year numbers per state as after 1973, but still, you can expect somewhere in the neighborhood (conservatively) of averaging around 13,000 per year per state (average).

Planned Parenthood was started in 1916 in New York. New York is a state that had some form of legal abortion going back to like the 1870's. Largest population and one of the most lenient when it comes to abortions. And of course Planned Parenthood has spread out nationwide.

Needless to say, you can easily say that Sanger's work ultimately resulted in somewhere around 75 million human lives ended (conservatively...I bet it's closer to 100 million). And that's before you start applying exponential properties to these numbers. If just half of those 75-100 million would have had one child themselves, that is an additional 37-50 million lives that never happened.

Yeah, I would say Ms. Sanger had a horrible impact on humankind.

EDIT to add: Yes, I know PP isn't responsible for all of those abortions, but they are the ones who had the biggest impact on abortion policy and making it legal in all 50 states.

Jessica Tandy

Alexander Graham Bell.

My grudge with him grows daily now.

Tramp96 said:

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cbr said:

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CSTXAg92 said:

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Sanger or Hitler and it's not even close

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Lol isn't Sanger the evil abirtion American lady also accused of hating black babies even more?

Evil fine, yes. Top 100 of all time? Not a big history buff I guess.

Hitler? He was not even the worst IN HIS OWN DECADE.

Unless you think Jewish people are the only humanity that counts.

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There have been 63 million legal abortions in the United States from 1973 to 2019 alone. That's an average of 1.39 million per year...safe to say then that the total number now since 1973 is around $67 million. Prior to 1973, 20 states allowed legal abortions (40% of the US states). Probably not the same per year numbers per state as after 1973, but still, you can expect somewhere in the neighborhood (conservatively) of averaging around 13,000 per year per state (average).

Planned Parenthood was started in 1916 in New York. New York is a state that had some form of legal abortion going back to like the 1870's. Largest population and one of the most lenient when it comes to abortions. And of course Planned Parenthood has spread out nationwide.

Needless to say, you can easily say that Sanger's work ultimately resulted in somewhere around 75 million human lives ended (conservatively...I bet it's closer to 100 million). And that's before you start applying exponential properties to these numbers. If just half of those 75-100 million would have had one child themselves, that is an additional 37-50 million lives that never happened.

Yeah, I would say Ms. Sanger had a horrible impact on humankind.

EDIT to add: Yes, I know PP isn't responsible for all of those abortions, but they are the ones who had the biggest impact on abortion policy and making it legal in all 50 states.

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Well, i definitely appreciate your response, but no matter what you think of abortion, in my opinion legally lobbying for legal abortions hardly ranks in there with murdering, torturing, and starving people, including women, children and pregnant women, destroying the culture and freedoms of the world, killing everything good about mankind, etc.

Thomas Midgley, Jr

Invented leaded gasoline and CFC's

Neehau said:

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IndividualFreedom said:

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Margaret Sanger and it isn't even close

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Margaret Sanger is one of the greatest humans to ever exist. She brought true emancipation to half of humanity.

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Now I know you are just trolling.

I truly don't think the CCP puppet is trolling. It/He/She/They is just that delusional.

Abraham. His faithlessness and zipper problem ultimately led to the creation of the Islamic state.

My vote is Rothschild. His offspring have been manipulating international finance, fiat currencies, Woodrow wilson, lenin, hitler, Stalin, mao, cartels, the Clintons, Obama's, bush's, Hollywood, the media, political parties, and deliberately destroying freedom, the economy, ethics and independence since the 1800's.

If they hadn't have destroyed Western European civilization and the American dream, our world would look like an honest to god utopia.

Worldwide: Mohammed
USA: FDR

cbr said:

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My vote is Rothschild. His offspring have been manipulating international finance, fiat currencies, Woodrow wilson, lenin, hitler, Stalin, mao, cartels, the Clintons, Obama's, bush's, Hollywood, the media, political parties, and deliberately destroying freedom, the economy, ethics and independence since the 1800's.

If they hadn't have destroyed Western European civilization and the American dream, our world would look like an honest to god utopia.

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Good nomination, but that's really a whole bloodline rather than one person. Those slimy *******s have been known to finance both sides of wars. Satan's little helpers.

Susan B Anthony.

91Challenger said:

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Worldwide: Mohammed
USA: FDR

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Woodrow Wilson was far more harmful to America and the western world than any other President.

Adolf Hitler

Tramp96 said:

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Neehau said:

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IndividualFreedom said:

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Margaret Sanger and it isn't even close

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Margaret Sanger is one of the greatest humans to ever exist. She brought true emancipation to half of humanity.

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Now I know you are just trolling.

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Not trolling. The history of human emancipation can be chronicled with the reproductive freedom of a societies women. When women are educated and endowed with their natural born right to manage their own bodies and their reproduction, the entire village rises.

Rachel Carson has quite the body count and it grows every year. She doesn't get the credit she deserves

Verne Lundquist and it's not even close.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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If we're talking about who caused the most suffering per capita, it's Genghis Khan and it's not close. Nobody ever inflicted more suffering on a greater percentage of the population during their lifetime.

If we're talking about who caused the greatest amount of suffering in terms of raw numbers, it's Karl Marx. His ideology has killed more humans than any other in history.

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F16 ain't good at history. Look up the Pax Mongolica.

Al Gore

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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If we're talking about who caused the most suffering per capita, it's Genghis Khan and it's not close. Nobody ever inflicted more suffering on a greater percentage of the population during their lifetime.

If we're talking about who caused the greatest amount of suffering in terms of raw numbers, it's Karl Marx. His ideology has killed more humans than any other in history.

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F16 ain't good at history. Look up the Pax Mongolica.

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You aren't good at math. He killed over 10% of the global population at the time in order to achieve that, it lasted less than 200 years and once it dissolved the ensuing chaos led to arguably the worst century in recorded history.

Imagine someone coming along today, killing around 800 million people over he course of a few decades and then saying "now look how peaceful it is".

Not reading through the thread, but the answer is Gavrilo Princip. All of the horrors of the 20th century were a result of one punk kid.

Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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Not reading through the thread, but the answer is Gavrilo Princip. All of the horrors of the 20th century were a result of one punk kid.

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This is such a tired talking point. The European powers had been gearing up for war for 20 years and several of them, Germany in particular, was looking for a reason to fight. And because of the network of alliances ANY little thing would have set it off.

If it wasn't that it would have been something else. Historians generally agree WW1 would have broken out within a year regardless of the assassination. Germany was already planning an invasion of Belgium and France for a couple years before that.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:

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Not reading through the thread, but the answer is Gavrilo Princip. All of the horrors of the 20th century were a result of one punk kid.

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This is such a tired talking point. The European powers had been gearing up for war for 20 years and several of them, Germany in particular, was looking for a reason to fight. And because of the network of alliances ANY little thing would have set it off.

If it wasn't that it would have been something else. Historians generally agree WW1 would have broken out within a year regardless of the assassination. Germany was already planning an invasion of Belgium and France for a couple years before that.

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"historians generally agree" ha, okay. You're one of those people.

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But it was that. That's what history is. I really dont understand the point you think youre making. If hitler hadnt killed 6 million people he wouldnt be one of histories greatest monsters, but he did. If the british didnt go for the arsenals at lexington and concord the shot heard round the world would have never been fired, but they did. If princip hadnt fired the shot the war may have started for other reasons, but he did.

Dang - we Americans are incredibly short sighted (from a historical and domestic perspective). Suffering extends in ripples from truly destructive people.

Obviously Eve.
And then Mohammed.
But beyond that - you kinda gotta focus on ancient China and India (from a human # perspective)
Probably start with disease initiators /spreaders (guy who f-ed a monkey, guy who ate a bat, guy but by a rat, guy who ordered cats exterminated, guy who contaminated air or water, etc)
Followed by destructive leaders who created famines
Followed by conquerors such as Genghis Khan

Famine, disease, and war are often a package deal, so it's a bit of a trick to untangle, but I could see Genghis taking 3rd.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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etxag02 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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If we're talking about who caused the most suffering per capita, it's Genghis Khan and it's not close. Nobody ever inflicted more suffering on a greater percentage of the population during their lifetime.

If we're talking about who caused the greatest amount of suffering in terms of raw numbers, it's Karl Marx. His ideology has killed more humans than any other in history.

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F16 ain't good at history. Look up the Pax Mongolica.

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You aren't good at math. He killed over 10% of the global population at the time in order to achieve that, it lasted less than 200 years and once it dissolved the ensuing chaos led to arguably the worst century in recorded history.

Imagine someone coming along today, killing around 800 million people over he course of a few decades and then saying "now look how peaceful it is".

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What does math have to do with it? It's philosophical. Ten percent of the population dead (a high estimate that has more to do with the Mongol's well executed propaganda than reality, but we'll roll with it) vs two hundred years of cultural advancement and prosperity for a quarter of the world or more. Are you blaming the dissolution and the aftermath on a man that had been dead for 200 years? Silly.

Caiphas, AD30