When the critical theory cult takes over a corporation, the primary purpose becomes spreading the cult message. Recruitment and propaganda consume as much of the resources as is possible primarily to churn out converts as long as is feasible, while keeping it functioning as long as it is useful. Other considerations become subordinate and supportive of the new mission.

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Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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I recommend not trying to use principles you don't even have against others.

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If the Dems didn't have double standards then they'd have no standards at all.

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Looks to me like Desantis is getting rid of legislation that specifically targets and disproportionately impacts a private business.

It's absolutely ****ing hilarious seeing woke liberal business-hating commies frothing at the mouth about a huge business getting some of their perks removed. They are against big business except the ones their DNC handlers say they should be for.

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Well you are on record as supporting Corporatism. Companies should keep their hands out of government business that doesn't impact them. Remind us which school district Disney runs and the new law limits their teachers again? Oh wait, they aren't in the schooling business. I forgot and so did they.


Repealing the district will hurt Disney's development at Disney World. It will make it that more expensive to get projects off the ground and approved. It's a huge negative impact to them in Florida if it comes to fruition.

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Removing special tax carve outs and other incentives that no other entity gets is fascism?

Shanked another one!

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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remeber when Whitmer fined those companies and then partied maskless?

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It's absolutely ****ing hilarious seeing woke liberal business-hating commies frothing at the mouth about a huge business getting some of their perks removed. They are against big business except the ones their DNC handlers say they should be for.

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Leftists coming out for big corporations is something I didn't see happening in 2022. Between Disney and Twitter, the left really has shifted their priorities.

Waffledynamics said:

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Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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I recommend not trying to use principles you don't even have against others.

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Yup, the troll is just attempting (and failing) to use conservative terminology and principles to attack this move. Of course it's nonsense but even arguing with this individual is in vain.

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Dear spineless republicans, this is how you fight the Dems. Florida is leading the way.

BREAKING: Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them. @GovDeSantis just expanded the Special Session so I could file HB3C which eliminates Reedy Creek Improvement District, a 50 yr-old special statute that makes Disney to exempt from laws faced by regular Floridians.

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) April 19, 2022

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If we're going to call out Dems for lies, then we should call out GOP as well.

This is a lie.

Reedy Creek is not 'exempt' from Florida Laws. They are their own Authority Having Jurisdiction in regards to construction on their own property (much like Texas A&M is in College Station). But they still have to follow all federal and state laws in regards to construction, and international codes and standards. And most private AHJ's like Reedy Creek are 10x easier to deal with than the state/local regulators. They have a vested interest in making sure things are done correctly (liability) and efficiently (lost revenue). The State, not so much.

Edit to add, they also pay for their own roads, storm drains, etc. If they didn't then the county would have to find a way to pay, or not pay then nothing gets done. This is a just a political stunt by Desantis, but it sound good so LIV lap it up.

This is great but if people really wanted to impact them they would not go to the parks. People empowered Disney to do what they do.

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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No. The elected government is simply terminating special privileges.

When huge, influential companies like Disney insert themselves into public policy/social issues that don't impact their operations, they are absolutely asking for pushback.

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aTm2004 said:

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Dear spineless republicans, this is how you fight the Dems. Florida is leading the way.

BREAKING: Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them. @GovDeSantis just expanded the Special Session so I could file HB3C which eliminates Reedy Creek Improvement District, a 50 yr-old special statute that makes Disney to exempt from laws faced by regular Floridians.

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) April 19, 2022

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If we're going to call out Dems for lies, then we should call out GOP as well.

This is a lie.

Reedy Creek is not 'exempt' from Florida Laws. They are their own Authority Having Jurisdiction in regards to construction on their own property (much like Texas A&M is in College Station). But they still have to follow all federal and state laws in regards to construction, and international codes and standards. And most private AHJ's like Reedy Creek are 10x easier to deal with than the state/local regulators. They have a vested interest in making sure things are done correctly (liability) and efficiently (lost revenue). The State, not so much.

Edit to add, they also pay for their own roads, storm drains, etc. If they didn't then the county would have to find a way to pay, or not pay then nothing gets done. This is a just a political stunt by Desantis, but it sound good so LIV lap it up.

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Disney is acting against the interest of the people. Therefore they lose any special privileges.

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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If the disagreement involves teaching grade schools kids about butt sex...then, yes, hammer them. Context is important.

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Corporations need to be very careful when they venture into politics that have nothing to do with their core business, or worse when they venture into politics that actually works against their core business (in Disney's case they are built around entertaining children). They aren't persecuting Disney here either, they are merely talking about making Disney play by the same rules everyone else has to play by and not giving them the special treatment they have become so accustomed to.

None of this could happen if the people in Florida weren't in agreement with DeSantis btw. Lots of people have been fed up with Disney's special treatment for a long time and their influence over Florida politics. They overstepped and they are learning a painful lesson.

Oh, and Florida absolutely has Disney by the short and curlies here and Disney has forgotten who really holds the cards. Kind of reminds me of the scene in Casino when the County Commissioner reminds the Casino owner that they are just guests here.

Can we take away special privileges from Jerry Jones, Mark Cuban, Tom Galardi, and whatever consortium currently owns the Rangers too?

Same for the owners of the pro teams in Houston and San Antonio too.

Not one more cent.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/disney-reedy-creek-improvement-act

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and some Republican state legislators have floated the idea of repealing the Reedy Creek Improvement Act (RCIA) amid the Sunshine State's ongoing feud with Disney.
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The Ready Creek Improvement Act was signed into law in May 1967 by Gov. Claude Kirk in response to lobbying efforts by Disney. The entertainment giant proposed building a recreation-oriented development on 25,000 acres of property in a remote area of Central Florida's Orange and Osceola counties, which consisted of 38.5 square miles of largely uninhabited pasture and swamp land.

Orange and Osceola County did not have the services or resources needed to bring the project to life, so the state legislature worked with Disney to establish the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a special taxing district that allows the company to act with the same authority and responsibility as a county government.

The district covers Disney's four Florida theme parks, two water parks and one sports complex, 175 lane miles of roadway, 67 miles of waterway, the cities of Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista, an environmental science laboratory, an electric power-generating and distribution facility, a natural gas distribution system, water and wastewater collection and treatment facilities, a solid waste and recyclables collection & transfer system and over 40,000 hotel rooms and hundreds of restaurants and retail stores.
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Under the legislation, RCID has the ability to levy taxes, write building codes, develop and maintain its own infrastructure and build whatever it wants, including an airport or nuclear power plant. The landowners within the RCID, primarily Walt Disney World, are solely responsible for paying the cost of providing typical municipal services such as power, water, roads and fire protection, taking the burden off of Orange and Osceola County taxpayers.

The RCID receives income from taxes and fees imposed within its boundaries. For 2022, the RCID has an operating budget of more than $169 million, with roughly $164 million of that total coming from ad valorem taxes.
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Since its establishment, the Reedy Creek Improvement District has built and maintained 134 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways. The district has 2,000 venders, suppliers and contractors who provide public services to the area's 250,000 daily visitors. Reedy Creek's Fire Department and Emergency Medical Services have a response time between six and eight minutes.

The RCID manages approximately 60,000 tons of waste, annually recycles 30 tons of aluminum, paper, steel cans, cardboard and plastic containers and tests 22,800 water samples from 1,500 locations to ensure it meets or exceeds quality standards established by the federal and state governments.
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According to Republican Florida Rep. Spencer Roach, legislators have met at least twice to discuss repealing the Reedy Creek Improvement Act.

"If Disney wants to embrace woke ideology, it seems fitting that they should be regulated by Orange County," Roach tweeted.
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If the law is repealed, Disney will be required to submit to building inspections and planning and zoning controls by Osceola and Orange counties. In addition, the Orlando Sentinel previously reported that it would have to pay fees and taxes it doesn't currently pay, such as impact fees to offset the cost of public services or taxes other property owners pay to fund law enforcement.
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The Reedy Creek Improvement District is a special taxing district where Disney acts with the same authority and responsibility as a county government. (Reedy Creek Improvement District)

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aTm2004 said:

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Dear spineless republicans, this is how you fight the Dems. Florida is leading the way.

BREAKING: Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them. @GovDeSantis just expanded the Special Session so I could file HB3C which eliminates Reedy Creek Improvement District, a 50 yr-old special statute that makes Disney to exempt from laws faced by regular Floridians.

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) April 19, 2022

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If we're going to call out Dems for lies, then we should call out GOP as well.

This is a lie.

Reedy Creek is not 'exempt' from Florida Laws. They are their own Authority Having Jurisdiction in regards to construction on their own property (much like Texas A&M is in College Station). But they still have to follow all federal and state laws in regards to construction, and international codes and standards. And most private AHJ's like Reedy Creek are 10x easier to deal with than the state/local regulators. They have a vested interest in making sure things are done correctly (liability) and efficiently (lost revenue). The State, not so much.

Edit to add, they also pay for their own roads, storm drains, etc. If they didn't then the county would have to find a way to pay, or not pay then nothing gets done. This is a just a political stunt by Desantis, but it sound good so LIV lap it up.

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Oh. You read the bill? Why don't you post a link to it.

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Feel free to put your money where your mouth is Disney and pay to relocate to a more woke location. California can be nice in the summer.

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That's the the thing. Disney is already in California with not a lot of room to grow Disneyland. There is nowhere else, with the kind of weather to support a park year round, that would welcome them in their current state. They've painted themselves into a corner and are now at the mercy of DeSantis and the Florida legislature.

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So you're saying that relocation would practically nearly impossible, and be an EXTREMELY costly endeavor even if they could figure it out? And that Disney would have to be REALLY committed to their woke agenda to make it somehow work? Kind of my point. I think we're actually saying the same thing.

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Zactly

You are right about all of that but I don't care. I say that as someone who has spent quite a bit at Disney World over the past 20 years. I was fascinated by the Reedy Creek Improvement District and how foresighted Walt Disney was in his plans for his Florida Project.

However, the current C-suite people decided to get involved in politics and attempted a hit job on DeSantis and the Republican legislature. Walt Disney himself would have never done this. He was much smarter and savvier than the current crop of executives. When a company decides to enter the political arena in this manner they better be prepared to deal with the collateral damages if they fail. Disney failed spectacularly and deserve the political punishment they are now reaping.

The only way companies like Disney will ever learn to stop biting the hand that feeds them is to wack them good and hard in a way they will comprehend. You squeeze them on their expenses till they capitulate and stop. So now Disney is facing an exorbitant increase in their operating costs due to executives failing to stick to their only mission: enhancing shareholder value. Instead the only profitable resort in their Parks division is facing profit threatening increases in expenses.

What's worse is that Disney has no choice but to sit there and take it. They cannot afford to rebuild Disney World anywhere else on the planet. It's their only park that is not space constrained.

So in the end you are right they must operate by all state and federal ordinances. If you've ever been to Disney World you can tell they do an excellent job of maintenance and following those ordinances. In fact they have a profit incentive to do so that most other municipalities don't. However, that is all irrelevant. This a pure political strike by Florida and Disney is deserving of every bit of it.

I applaud DeSantis for dropping a political nuke on a political enemy. Maybe next time Disney will keep their mouth shut and keep taking my hard earned cash. Idiots!

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Where were you on this?

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Im sure you were equally vocal when business owners were getting arrested and fined for simply opening their businesses dUrInG a GlObAl PaNdEmIc to put earn money to put food on the table for their families.

Sit down.

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aTm2004 said:

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Dear spineless republicans, this is how you fight the Dems. Florida is leading the way.

BREAKING: Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them. @GovDeSantis just expanded the Special Session so I could file HB3C which eliminates Reedy Creek Improvement District, a 50 yr-old special statute that makes Disney to exempt from laws faced by regular Floridians.

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) April 19, 2022

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If we're going to call out Dems for lies, then we should call out GOP as well.

This is a lie.

Reedy Creek is not 'exempt' from Florida Laws. They are their own Authority Having Jurisdiction in regards to construction on their own property (much like Texas A&M is in College Station). But they still have to follow all federal and state laws in regards to construction, and international codes and standards. And most private AHJ's like Reedy Creek are 10x easier to deal with than the state/local regulators. They have a vested interest in making sure things are done correctly (liability) and efficiently (lost revenue). The State, not so much.

Edit to add, they also pay for their own roads, storm drains, etc. If they didn't then the county would have to find a way to pay, or not pay then nothing gets done. This is a just a political stunt by Desantis, but it sound good so LIV lap it up.

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That last bit about roads is wrong. The private developer would have to grant/gift them to the county/city and that body would have to accept them. If the gov't doesn't accept, they remain private roads.

It's not enough for Disney to be silent on the issue. Silence is Violence. Disney must prove to Florida that they are anti-grooming.

They can make amends by making large donations to Parental Rights organizations.

I'd also expect corporate training at Disney for all employees on the dangers of grooming and the importance of parental rights in education.

If Disney loses the taxing authority, does the County then stand to inherit all of the ad valorem taxes currently collected by Disney?

Further, is it correct that the County would set millage rates for Disney properties henceforth? If so, holy smokes!! No wonder Universal is completely silent on the issue.

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aTm2004 said:

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Dear spineless republicans, this is how you fight the Dems. Florida is leading the way.

BREAKING: Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them. @GovDeSantis just expanded the Special Session so I could file HB3C which eliminates Reedy Creek Improvement District, a 50 yr-old special statute that makes Disney to exempt from laws faced by regular Floridians.

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) April 19, 2022

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If we're going to call out Dems for lies, then we should call out GOP as well.

This is a lie.

Reedy Creek is not 'exempt' from Florida Laws. They are their own Authority Having Jurisdiction in regards to construction on their own property (much like Texas A&M is in College Station). But they still have to follow all federal and state laws in regards to construction, and international codes and standards. And most private AHJ's like Reedy Creek are 10x easier to deal with than the state/local regulators. They have a vested interest in making sure things are done correctly (liability) and efficiently (lost revenue). The State, not so much.

Edit to add, they also pay for their own roads, storm drains, etc. If they didn't then the county would have to find a way to pay, or not pay then nothing gets done. This is a just a political stunt by Desantis, but it sound good so LIV lap it up.

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It is not a lie. Reedy Creek goes way beyond building codes. There is quite a bit in there about taxing authority which is most definitely not a part of "construction, and international codes and standards."

Charter

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Disney is probably second guessing going pro-pedo

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Never will happen, "Pedo ber alles"

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When the critical theory cult takes over a corporation, the primary purpose becomes spreading the cult message. Recruitment and propaganda consume as much of the resources as is possible primarily to churn out converts as long as is feasible, while keeping it functioning as long as it is useful. Other considerations become subordinate and supportive of the new mission.

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Just like a virus.

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It's not enough for Disney to be silent on the issue. Silence is Violence. Disney must prove to Florida that they are anti-grooming.

They can make amends by making large donations to Parental Rights organizations.

I'd also expect corporate training at Disney for all employees on the dangers of grooming and the importance of parental rights in education.

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I can't stand seeing this. Not your post, but the perpetuation of the silence is violence mantra.

It screams of communist countries where unless you were observed to vigorously support the party you were against it.

And redefining (or is it deconstructing?) the word violence, while actual violence escalates. Smh

Every time I see or hear this bull****, it just irks me.

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agracer said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Dear spineless republicans, this is how you fight the Dems. Florida is leading the way.

BREAKING: Disney is a guest in Florida. Today, we remind them. @GovDeSantis just expanded the Special Session so I could file HB3C which eliminates Reedy Creek Improvement District, a 50 yr-old special statute that makes Disney to exempt from laws faced by regular Floridians.

— Rep. Randy Fine (@VoteRandyFine) April 19, 2022

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If we're going to call out Dems for lies, then we should call out GOP as well.

This is a lie.

Reedy Creek is not 'exempt' from Florida Laws. They are their own Authority Having Jurisdiction in regards to construction on their own property (much like Texas A&M is in College Station). But they still have to follow all federal and state laws in regards to construction, and international codes and standards. And most private AHJ's like Reedy Creek are 10x easier to deal with than the state/local regulators. They have a vested interest in making sure things are done correctly (liability) and efficiently (lost revenue). The State, not so much.

Edit to add, they also pay for their own roads, storm drains, etc. If they didn't then the county would have to find a way to pay, or not pay then nothing gets done. This is a just a political stunt by Desantis, but it sound good so LIV lap it up.

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Disney is acting against the interest of the people. Therefore they lose any special privileges.

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As someone who deals with state and local agencies across the entire state of Florida, I can tell you firsthand that Reedy Creek is NOT easier to deal with, they absolutely have an entitled attitude, and they do NOT follow all of the same laws required of every other agency in the state. A Disney VP recently interjected himself into a simple misunderstanding we were having with Reedy Creek while trying to get construction approved on a project. There was no need for it to escalate to his level (we weren't even arguing with what they were asking), but they'll be damned if someone doesn't bow down immediately to exactly what they demand.

just makes me wonder why they were getting special treatment to begin with. The same rules for everyone is the only way to go.

Exactly. I think it's time we hold them to their own standards.

This. No company should get special treatment, no matter how big they are. It only leads to corruption.

Bubblez said:

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Yay to fascism. If a business disagree with the government, it gets hammered by that government.

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Doesn't understand the term "facism".

Let me explain. Disney is getting special treatment. Taking away special treatment is not punishing them. It's putting them on the same field as everyone else.

HTH, but it won't.