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Can Americans watch the Saudi versions of the movies?

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Only if Allah wills it.

(yes I went there)

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Yeah, but would Allah nail Darcy if he had the chance?

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assalamualaikum

I don't live in florida but I'm 100% behind this. Lib business think they can refuse to hold meetings in states they don't agree with the politics but then scream bloody murder when states do the same back to them.

I couldn't care less if taxes go up on people in the area. I'll assume most of Disney employees live in that area so the cost goes to them. Disney can then pay them more to attract them thus hurting their profits.

Finally, I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Disney pick up and move their entire operation…4-5 theme parks, dozens of overpriced hotels to another state.

I'm almost 60 and I'm pretty confident they won't complete that project till long after I'm dead.

Username checks out.

NEW: Disney ends its silence, quietly tells its investors Florida law prevents state from dissolving special district without first paying debt /1https://t.co/YlX3Gp8Xhf

— Mary Ellen Klas (@MaryEllenKlas) April 26, 2022

Looks like DeSantis was just grandstanding. Unless he really is this stupid.

Still seems like a zero sum game to me. Change letterhead on everything and it's done.

Revenue flow (in and out) would be the same, just through a different hose.

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NEW: Disney ends its silence, quietly tells its investors Florida law prevents state from dissolving special district without first paying debt /1https://t.co/YlX3Gp8Xhf

— Mary Ellen Klas (@MaryEllenKlas) April 26, 2022

Looks like DeSantis was just grandstanding. Unless he really is this stupid.

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DeSantis doesn't write the laws.

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NEW: Disney ends its silence, quietly tells its investors Florida law prevents state from dissolving special district without first paying debt /1https://t.co/YlX3Gp8Xhf

— Mary Ellen Klas (@MaryEllenKlas) April 26, 2022

Looks like DeSantis was just grandstanding. Unless he really is this stupid.

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Yeah, sure he hasn't thought this through with the legal team at all.

Okay so Disney says the county gets to inherit the debt. Fine. Pass a special assessment (like a MUD or a PID here in Texas) that falls on all citizens of Riddy Creek. They get to service their debt.

They sure showed DeSantis.

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NEW: Disney ends its silence, quietly tells its investors Florida law prevents state from dissolving special district without first paying debt /1https://t.co/YlX3Gp8Xhf

— Mary Ellen Klas (@MaryEllenKlas) April 26, 2022

Looks like DeSantis was just grandstanding. Unless he really is this stupid.

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Because we all know Disney lawyers are the last word on Florida law…

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NEW: Disney ends its silence, quietly tells its investors Florida law prevents state from dissolving special district without first paying debt /1https://t.co/YlX3Gp8Xhf

— Mary Ellen Klas (@MaryEllenKlas) April 26, 2022

Looks like DeSantis was just grandstanding. Unless he really is this stupid.

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Lawmakers already said they've got a year to work out all the details like this. I'm sure it'll be fine.

You can always tell whose ox got gored by the squealing, and right now Disney is squealing like a stuck pig.

Here's the law. You could drive a truck through this.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2018/125.01

Look for special districts and special assessments.

Cursory reading:

Orange county can set up a special taxing district with a special assessment to provide services. Just charge a higher millage for the special district. If current law doesn't allow due to some technicality, just tweak the law.

This is all spin by Disney.

Here is a legal brief that goes over some of the Florida jurisprudence for special assessments:

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Special assessments are charges assessed against the property of some particular locality because that property derives some special benefit from the expenditure of the money collected by the assessment in addition to the general benefit accruing to all property or citizens. See 29A, Fla. Jur. Special Assessments ss. 2 and 18 (1967); 70 Am. Jur.2d Special or Local Assessments ss. 1 and 18 (1967); 14 McQuillin, Municipal Corporations ss. 38.02, 38.32, and 38.124 (1970). Special assessments place a special or local charge on the land involved on the basis that the property derives a special benefit in addition to the general benefit to the public; such assessments are imposed on the theory that the portion of the community being assessed receives some special or peculiar benefit which enhances the value of the property in proportion to the special assessment. See 29A Fla. Jur. Special Assessments ss. 3 and 20 (1967). The power to make special assessments can be exercised only for special improvements, it cannot be exercised to burden particular property and the owners thereof with the cost of general and governmental benefits and expenditures. Special assessments cannot be imposed to pay for an improvement which is primarily of general public benefit.

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No comment on the merits of the legal brief, but the citations to prior case law are helpful.

This will be simple to manage for the state legislature.

Florida lawmakers are going to back down. Probably in 6 moths they will quietly repeal this while promising a study to look into it. They got their grandstanding moment and they aren't going to put the work in to actually unravel a 50 year old arrangement that has been beneficial to Florida.

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Florida lawmakers are going to back down. Probably in 6 moths they will quietly repeal this while promising a study to look into it. They got their grandstanding moment and they aren't going to put the work in to actually unravel a 50 year old arrangement that has been beneficial to Florida.

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We will see.

That is what I expect from the GOP. It's not what I expect from DeSantis.

It will be interesting to watch.

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Orange county can set up a special taxing district with a special assessment to provide services. Just charge a higher millage for the special district. If current law doesn't allow due to some technicality, just tweak the law.

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The fly in the ointment is that the Orange County mayor is Jerry Demmings, husband of Val Demmings (or Dummings if you pronounce it according to behavior).

Yeah, I don't think I could talk Val out of a speeding ticket back in the day.

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Florida lawmakers are going to back down. Probably in 6 moths they will quietly repeal this while promising a study to look into it. They got their grandstanding moment and they aren't going to put the work in to actually unravel a 50 year old arrangement that has been beneficial to Florida.

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The arrangement is already unraveled. That ship has sailed. Anybody waiting for the typical DC republican squish maneuver of dodging the vote or "losing" on a narrow technicality can go ahead and take a breath. that phase is done. Now there may be the possibility that Disney manages to work out a new deal that doesn't raise their taxes 3x over what they were paying or allows them to create some new arrangement, but things will not be returning to the status quo without some major sucking up and fence mending by Disney.

And realistically, what did anybody expect them to tell their shareholders about this episode? "Um sorry folks, our taxes are going to go up 3x over what we were paying because we started attacking politicians we had comfortably in our pocket for 50+ years over a law that has nothing to do with our business interests"? That would be suicide by their BoD and management.

So they are putting the best spin they can on it by pretending that they will find a way to work it out with politicians who have been friendly to them for 50+ years. But oh yeah, they also recently decided to stop making campaign contributions to politicians state wide. Any guess how well their overtures are going to go in winning back some support without restarting their contributions?

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It is declared to be the intent of the Legislature that this subsection is the authorization for the levy by a special district of any millage designated in the ordinance creating such a special district or amendment thereto and approved by vote of the electors under the authority of the first sentence of s. 9(b), Art. VII of the State Constitution.

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I guess my point is don't believe the spin of the mainstream media, which are Mouse propaganda machines.

I haven't done a deep legal review of this, but neither has the MSM. They are just parroting Disney's legal arguments and spin, regardless of the merit of said arguments.

DeSantis needs an encore.

Along with the prohibition on sexual curriculum in k-3, how about making similar content receive a mandatory PG13 rating in Florida. And transgender grooming an R rating.

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Florida lawmakers are going to back down. Probably in 6 moths they will quietly repeal this while promising a study to look into it. They got their grandstanding moment and they aren't going to put the work in to actually unravel a 50 year old arrangement that has been beneficial to Florida.

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The arrangement is already unraveled. That ship has sailed. Anybody waiting for the typical DC republican squish maneuver of dodging the vote or "losing" on a narrow technicality can go ahead and take a breath. that phase is done. Now there may be the possibility that Disney manages to work out a new deal that doesn't raise their taxes 3x over what they were paying or allows them to create some new arrangement, but things will not be returning to the status quo without some major sucking up and fence mending by Disney.

And realistically, what did anybody expect them to tell their shareholders about this episode? "Um sorry folks, our taxes are going to go up 3x over what we were paying because we started attacking politicians we had comfortably in our pocket for 50+ years over a law that has nothing to do with our business interests"? That would be suicide by their BoD and management.

So they are putting the best spin they can on it by pretending that they will find a way to work it out with politicians who have been friendly to them for 50+ years. But oh yeah, they also recently decided to stop making campaign contributions to politicians state wide. Any guess how well their overtures are going to go in winning back some support without restarting their contributions?

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Florida lawmakers are going to back down. Probably in 6 moths they will quietly repeal this while promising a study to look into it. They got their grandstanding moment and they aren't going to put the work in to actually unravel a 50 year old arrangement that has been beneficial to Florida.

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The arrangement is already unraveled. That ship has sailed. Anybody waiting for the typical DC republican squish maneuver of dodging the vote or "losing" on a narrow technicality can go ahead and take a breath. that phase is done. Now there may be the possibility that Disney manages to work out a new deal that doesn't raise their taxes 3x over what they were paying or allows them to create some new arrangement, but things will not be returning to the status quo without some major sucking up and fence mending by Disney.

And realistically, what did anybody expect them to tell their shareholders about this episode? "Um sorry folks, our taxes are going to go up 3x over what we were paying because we started attacking politicians we had comfortably in our pocket for 50+ years over a law that has nothing to do with our business interests"? That would be suicide by their BoD and management.

So they are putting the best spin they can on it by pretending that they will find a way to work it out with politicians who have been friendly to them for 50+ years. But oh yeah, they also recently decided to stop making campaign contributions to politicians state wide. Any guess how well their overtures are going to go in winning back some support without restarting their contributions?

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Nailed it! That was the exact image in my mind when I was typing that.

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Florida lawmakers are going to back down. Probably in 6 moths they will quietly repeal this while promising a study to look into it. They got their grandstanding moment and they aren't going to put the work in to actually unravel a 50 year old arrangement that has been beneficial to Florida.

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The arrangement is already unraveled. That ship has sailed. Anybody waiting for the typical DC republican squish maneuver of dodging the vote or "losing" on a narrow technicality can go ahead and take a breath. that phase is done. Now there may be the possibility that Disney manages to work out a new deal that doesn't raise their taxes 3x over what they were paying or allows them to create some new arrangement, but things will not be returning to the status quo without some major sucking up and fence mending by Disney.

And realistically, what did anybody expect them to tell their shareholders about this episode? "Um sorry folks, our taxes are going to go up 3x over what we were paying because we started attacking politicians we had comfortably in our pocket for 50+ years over a law that has nothing to do with our business interests"? That would be suicide by their BoD and management.

So they are putting the best spin they can on it by pretending that they will find a way to work it out with politicians who have been friendly to them for 50+ years. But oh yeah, they also recently decided to stop making campaign contributions to politicians state wide. Any guess how well their overtures are going to go in winning back some support without restarting their contributions?

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Nailed it! That was the exact image in my mind when I was typing that.

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"The mouse out front should have told you."

Not that it is going to go anywhere.

🚨BREAKING: Senator Josh Hawley files legislation stripping Disney of its special copyright protections.

— Tim Swain (@SwainForSenate) May 10, 2022

Traditionally Congress keeps extending the copyright on Mickey. Maybe that will change since the company has ventured into politics.

Mickey's copyright ends in 2024 unless extended.

That might be difficult in a GOP Congress.

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Mickey's copyright ends in 2024 unless extended.

That might be difficult in a GOP Congress.

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Don't worry, when we get the GOP back in control, Disney will grease the right palms and a small number of GOP-e legislators will team up with the dems and extend the copyright in a "bold show of bipartisanship".

I thought that's why Disney has been doing all the live action remakes? I thought it reset their copywrites on the characters

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I thought that's why Disney has been doing all the live action remakes? I thought it reset their copywrites on the characters

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I can't imagine them doing a live action remake of Steamboat Willie's character.

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Mickey's copyright ends in 2024 unless extended.

That might be difficult in a GOP Congress.

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Don't worry, when we get the GOP back in control, Disney will grease the right palms and a small number of GOP-e legislators will team up with the dems and extend the copyright in a "bold show of bipartisanship".

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Probably impractical (though I hope not) but a certain time before that happens would be a good time for a concerted grassroots-spawned message that anyone voting with Disney in this matter will be going home the next election. And if it can be proved they took a Disney payoff, with a side trip to prison.

The bad guys took their gloves off a long time ago. It is past time for the good guys to take theirs off.

They've lost 64 Billion in market cap since March. Pretty sure everyone with an svp title and higher needs to be fired.

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They've lost 64 Billion in market cap since March. Pretty sure everyone with an svp title and higher needs to be fired.

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If the board doesn't fire somebody in senior management at least as a symbolic act, I can't see how a shareholder lawsuit doesn't have a terrific chance to succeed.

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They've lost 64 Billion in market cap since March. Pretty sure everyone with an svp title and higher needs to be fired.

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If the board doesn't fire somebody in senior management at least as a symbolic act, I can't see how a shareholder lawsuit doesn't have a terrific chance to succeed.

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Good point. DGAS about Disney but at the end of the day, their shareholders do and they have every right to be pissed at such mismanagement.

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A federal judge dismissed the lawsuit on Tuesday against the state of Florida and Governor Ron DeSantis over the termination of Disney World's Reedy Creek special district.

Judge Cecilia Altonaga of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida dismissed the lawsuit filed by the residents of Orange and Osceola counties claiming that the dissolution of Disney's Reedy Creek bill was to punish Disney World and subsequently Florida taxpayers.

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"This lawsuit is one of the very few mechanisms available to taxpayers in such matters. Taxpayer lawsuits such as this one are meant to check and restrict official government misconduct. Plaintiffs in this matter are alleging and will prove that the bill which was signed on Friday, will lead to significant injury to taxpayers, and they clearly have a personal stake in the outcome of this litigation," the lawsuit stated.

Judge Altonaga dismissed the lawsuit on two grounds. Orlando Weekly reported:

The first stated that the issue at hand was a state-level problem, and the federal court was the wrong venue for the case. The second argued that the plaintiffs did not have standing, as they could not prove any injury to themselves. The law has yet to take effect and the tax structure of a newly non-independent Disney World is not certain.

"Plaintiffs' theory of standing is that the elimination of the Reedy Creek Improvement District might result in financial harm to Plaintiffs by virtue of a tax increase that has not yet been enacted," U.S. District Court Judge Cecilia Altonaga wrote in dismissing the case. "That indirect and highly speculative alleged injury cannot support federal jurisdiction."

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Hopefully all of these middle aged Star Wars dorks that post on here remember to not give Disney a dime. If you have to watch that garbage instead of growing up, bootleg it!

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A federal judge dismissed the lawsuit on Tuesday against the state of Florida and Governor Ron DeSantis over the termination of Disney World's Reedy Creek special district.

Judge Cecilia Altonaga of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida dismissed the lawsuit filed by the residents of Orange and Osceola counties claiming that the dissolution of Disney's Reedy Creek bill was to punish Disney World and subsequently Florida taxpayers.

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"This lawsuit is one of the very few mechanisms available to taxpayers in such matters. Taxpayer lawsuits such as this one are meant to check and restrict official government misconduct. Plaintiffs in this matter are alleging and will prove that the bill which was signed on Friday, will lead to significant injury to taxpayers, and they clearly have a personal stake in the outcome of this litigation," the lawsuit stated.

Judge Altonaga dismissed the lawsuit on two grounds. Orlando Weekly reported:

The first stated that the issue at hand was a state-level problem, and the federal court was the wrong venue for the case. The second argued that the plaintiffs did not have standing, as they could not prove any injury to themselves. The law has yet to take effect and the tax structure of a newly non-independent Disney World is not certain.

"Plaintiffs' theory of standing is that the elimination of the Reedy Creek Improvement District might result in financial harm to Plaintiffs by virtue of a tax increase that has not yet been enacted," U.S. District Court Judge Cecilia Altonaga wrote in dismissing the case. "That indirect and highly speculative alleged injury cannot support federal jurisdiction."

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Called this one on the other thread about it. Nobody is going to see a harm from this except Disney. They will pay more taxes and whatever taxing entity that receives them will get a fatter bank account.