GAC06 said:

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Not sure bragging about paying more for the much slower, poorer performing vehicle is the flex you're looking for

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And weak feet. Don't forget the weak feet.

FIDO*98* said:

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I drive a car (paid off in 6 months) that cost more than a Model 3 Performance with FSD but somehow I'm too poor to buy the lower quality less expensive vehicle.

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As an FYI. They are adding an "arrive at" charge percentage to their route planner in their next holiday software update so that you can route plan to locations where you expect congestion with enough battery life remaining to escape the congestion.

The in care navigation will already show you your remaining battery % left at each stop in your planned trip.

GAC06 said:

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Not sure bragging about paying more for the much slower, poorer performing vehicle is the flex you're looking for

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Responding to an idiotic comment about personal finances isn't a flex. My car is better in every single way than the cheaply built Tesla with the exception of initial acceleration. It performs much better than the 3 overall

My wife's work partner has to rent a car every other week so he can make the trip from SA to Laredo then the Valley. The only way the Tesla could make that is on the back of a tow truck. My wife has to go out of her way to charge at the mall on a round trip to Corpus. Awesome electric infrastructure.

I believe he even said before he lives in the Corpus area. The Tesla planner doesn't suggest he charge in College Station. Sounds like he just didn't punch it into the navigation to let it plan his charges.

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My wife's work partner has to rent a car every other week so he can make the trip from SA to Laredo then the Valley. The only way the Tesla could make that is on the back of a tow truck.

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Responding to an idiotic comment about personal finances isn't a flex. My car is better in every single way than the cheaply built Tesla with the exception of initial acceleration. It performs much better than the 3 overall

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Here you go again comparing your "performance" car to the "long range" Tesla you own. Your comparison in price was to the Model 3 Performance, which kicks the complete crap out of your Acura in performance, 0-60, 1/4 mile, on back roads, or at a track. It doesn't share a single suspension component with the long range. It has different seats, wheels, tires, and aero. It even has different pedals but I can't comment on how tired it might make your foot.

But hey, congrats on spending 10k+ extra on a performance sedan that gets vastly outperformed by the car you apparently haven't driven.

Not to mention, he admitted his wife's company locked down many of the features in the car, specifically the 80% charge limit. Dollars to donuts they probably locked down the the different performance modes and have it locked down on chill mode as well.

So much justification.

"I don't like the Tesla."
"Oh yeah? Maybe it doesn't like you!"

techno-ag said:

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So much justification.

"I don't like the Tesla."
"Oh yeah? Maybe it doesn't like you!"

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So much value added to the conversation. You forgot to mention that we are obsessed too while you camp out here every day.

Teslag said:

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techno-ag said:

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So much justification.

"I don't like the Tesla."
"Oh yeah? Maybe it doesn't like you!"

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So much value added to the conversation. You forgot to mention that we are obsessed too while you camp out here every day.

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Says the guy who changed his username. Nope. Not obsessed at all.

Changing a username takes two seconds. You're here day in day out, researching about a car you don't own and never will.

If someone really just prefers the way their engine sounds over a quiet EV, that's fine. Different strokes for different folks. If someone is routinely driving from San Antonio to Laredo then the Valley in a day, an EV would be less convenient for sure.

I will absolutely call out ridiculous criticisms like misstatements about performance numbers, comparing a performance vehicle against a non performance spec vehicle, lack of a key fob (which is objectively a feature not a drawback), crying about features that are locked by the company providing the car and not a criticism of the car itself, or of course foot fatigue.

Teslag said:

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Changing a username takes two seconds. You're here day in day out, researching about a car you don't own and never will.

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Nah. Devastating stories show up in my feed. No effort needed.

I don't' even have Tesla news in my feed

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The in care navigation will already show you your remaining battery % left at each stop in your planned trip.

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The current route planner just routes you to your end point and as long as you arrive with a sufficient charge to reach another charger it is unconcerned with the end point charge status. What this does is let you set the end point charge percentage and it will route you to chargers in advance of your arrival so you arrive with the specified percentage.

Basically instead of you knowing you need to stop in Abbott and charge in advance of your arrival to College Station from experience the car will make that decision for you based upon the fact you want to arrive with 45% battery (or whatever you think is necessary) so you can leave College Station without charging and make it back to Waco without charging in College Station. Instead of the driver having to know where and when to charge they can just know "I don't want to have to charge in College Station, because I know it's going to be a cluster F."

They are also improving the route planner overall so it takes better routes and more fully accounts for weather conditions to better understand the amount of energy it will take to route to a location. In other words the energy consumption expectation will be different if there's rain, cold, or a headwind/tail wind on your route.


Just a tip, instead of making fun of someone for having a bad experience with the car you might try explaining to them how to use it better so at minimum they have a less bad experience in the future, even if they don't end up liking the car.

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Just a tip, instead of making fun of someone for having a bad experience with the car you might try explaining to them how to use it better so at minimum they have a less bad experience in the future, even if they don't end up liking the car.

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i think this is the biggest adoption challenge, also the same reason its a bad rental car. the tesla is a little tweaky, has a lot of settings, can do a lot of really cool things. but it's not so much like an apple product yet, works right out of the box with one button.

i kinda like the tweakiness, it's interesting and fun. but i can definitely see how it can be overwhelming to other people, especially with something that has entrenched conventions that people have become used to for years - like turn signal stalks, speedometer dash clusters, or volume knobs.

FIDO*98* said:

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I drive a car (paid off in 6 months) that cost more than a Model 3 Performance with FSD but somehow I'm too poor to buy the lower quality less expensive vehicle.

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Dude, you are now worse than merely an unbeliever, but a heretic. Akin to someone who has painted a cartoon mocking Mohammed even.

Lolpoor is TexAgs slang man, I am not actually commenting on your financial prowess, which I'm sure is considerable.

I am curious about the charger comment tho. Are you primarily charging at home?

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Whenever I hear friends and others wax poetic about FSD this image comes to mind.

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Can't lie, this is how it is in my Cybertruck

Some interesting factoids from Chevron CEO (he was asked a question in an employee town hall about the future of the oil industry). EV's make up about 2% of US auto fleet (after record sales last year). US auto fleet turns over about once every 2 decades. Only about 25-30% of crude oil is used for light duty vehicles, the rest is used in areas that is a lot harder to electrify (long-haul road transportation, off-road transportation and agriculture, aviation, marine transportation, mining, petrochemicals, etc. ). Bottom line - will continue to be robust demand for oil and gas products that grows as the global population grows (will be important and around for a long time).

CentralTXag said:

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EV's make up about 2% of US auto fleet

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That's definitive exponential growth there! >EVfanboys.

Logarithmic? No. Steady? Yes. Should be about 10% of new vehicles sales this year. Was 8 and change this year. 7 year before.

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Only about 25-30% of crude oil is used for light duty vehicles, the rest is used in areas that is a lot harder to electrify (long-haul road transportation, off-road transportation and agriculture, aviation, marine transportation, mining, petrochemicals, etc. ). Bottom line - will continue to be robust demand for oil and gas products that grows as the global population grows (will be important and around for a long time).

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yes; that's all true.

maybe power generation will start shifting more to cleaner and safer nuclear. maybe free markets will shift light duty consumer / commuters to electric powered vehicles more as charging infrastructure gets better. ..and maybe that will be good for air and noise pollution in our cities, etc. but 1) it's not going to change the earth's temperature and 2) the world will still run on O&G for quite some time because of the mining and ag and heavy equipment, bulk transportation over land and sea, petrochems used in materials, processing and packaging, textiles and manufacturing nearly all products, etc.

Wouldn't be surprised to see trucking electrify substantially faster than consumer vehicles. Would be surprised if any of those other categories are electrified any time soon.

yellow iron heavy equipment that you see in mining and excavation, road and building construction, etc. I don't see that electrifying quickly.. can tanker and cargo ships? rails could electrify quickly.

We should be shifting to nuclear power for our electricity generation. First heard this 30+ yrs ago when working on my Masters degree when I took a course called Environmental Solutions for the Petroleum Industry. Nuclear is the closest thing to free energy there is. Oil and Gas is too valuable to burn for electricity. This really needs to occur now to enable large scale adoption of electric cars for city / commuting use (what they're best suited for) and of course the massive energy demand of these AI and data centers that are being built. Need to focus on standardization (easier and cheaper to build, easier to safely operate versus a bunch of complex one off designs where workers are only trained to operate that facility) and the reducing and handling of nuclear waste.

This post perfectly shows the precise reason I would not currently consider and EV.

It's just inefficient to have the car dictate when/where I stop. Maybe I don't need to pee yet, not thirsty/hungry yet (need to pee before the car says to stop). The car being in charge ( I see what I did there...) would absolutely add extra stops for me, and the charging stops are much longer than a fuel stop.

cecil77 said:

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This post perfectly shows the precise reason I would not currently consider and EV.

It's just inefficient to have the car dictate when/where I stop. Maybe I don't need to pee yet, not thirsty/hungry yet (need to pee before the car says to stop). The car being in charge ( I see what I did there...) would absolutely add extra stops for me, and the charging stops are much longer than a fuel stop.

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Preach on. It's not ready for prime time yet.

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CentralTXag said:

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EV's make up about 2% of US auto fleet

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That's definitive exponential growth there! >EVfanboys.

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It doubled! From 1% to 2!

CentralTXag said:

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Some interesting factoids from Chevron CEO (he was asked a question in an employee town hall about the future of the oil industry). EV's make up about 2% of US auto fleet (after record sales last year). US auto fleet turns over about once every 2 decades. Only about 25-30% of crude oil is used for light duty vehicles, the rest is used in areas that is a lot harder to electrify (long-haul road transportation, off-road transportation and agriculture, aviation, marine transportation, mining, petrochemicals, etc. ). Bottom line - will continue to be robust demand for oil and gas products that grows as the global population grows (will be important and around for a long time).

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Similar conclusions Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway made. They bought a significant stake in Flying J/Pilot truck stops. Electrification is not coming nearly as fast as the fanbois hope.

Teslag said:

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Changing a username takes two seconds. You're here day in day out, researching about a car you don't own and never will.

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You changed your username b/c you were a vaccine troll and wanted to disassociate yourself from that handle. Also, a fraudster.

cecil77 said:

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This post perfectly shows the precise reason I would not currently consider and EV.

It's just inefficient to have the car dictate when/where I stop. Maybe I don't need to pee yet, not thirsty/hungry yet (need to pee before the car says to stop). The car being in charge ( I see what I did there...) would absolutely add extra stops for me, and the charging stops are much longer than a fuel stop.

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Then don't buy one. They aren't for everyone.