Teslag said:
Based on those metrics an EV is perfectly suited for the "average driver".
I was never disagreeing with that, but now get over the three issues I brought up on why they won't easily be convinced.
I will never buy an electric powered vehicle.
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I was never disagreeing with that, but now get over the three issues I brought up on why they won't easily be convinced.
WBBQ74 said:
You are correct. A golf cart works for the golf course. It gets to charge up all night and putter around for a couple of hours on a 7200 YD or about 4 mile pathway. A $75K EV is not much better than a glorified golf cart and just doesn't work for most folks in Texas. Unless you are only going to drive it a few miles to work and back each day, and have a place in the garage to charge it up every night. Just because the Green Fairy says it is so does not make it such. Only the heavy hand of government can 'make' EVs attractive financially, at least somewhat. The market is not ready and the electric power grid damn sure ain't ready for millions of EVs sucking up the Kw's.
Yep. The average driver lives paycheck to paycheck. And are not ready for a house, garage, an EV and a home charging station.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/living-paycheck-to-paycheck-statistics-2024/
Don't mind the elitists who look down their long noses at the unwashed masses.
Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
apartment living isn't suitable to EVGAC06 said:
Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
35% not being homeowners is not insignificant. Also break that down by condo vs single family where they don't park on the sidewalkTeslag said:
65% of Americans are homeowners.
https://www.nar.realtor/newsroom/more-americans-own-their-homes-but-black-white-homeownership-rate-gap-is-biggest-in-a-decade-nar#
ETA, I did:
So with that in mind about 45-50% of the total population live in a situation where EV could even happen, much less the technology iq and fear factor.
Premium said:apartment living isn't suitable to EVGAC06 said:
Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
It certainly can be. Some apartments are fine now, some aren't.
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/23/nx-s1-5074064/ev-gas-cars-environment-skepticism
TL/DR NPR is very worried that people are no longer believing their lies about EVs.
TL/DR NPR is very worried that people are no longer believing their lies about EVs.
Quote:
Journalists have done a lot of work explaining those environmental harms, and the public has noticed. That's good news: Trancik, of MIT, says people should ask questions about the true environmental costs of all technology. But the mountain of research determining that EVs are still cleaner than gasoline-powered cars doesn't seem to have gotten as much traction.
Trump will fix it.
GAC06 said:Premium said:apartment living isn't suitable to EVGAC06 said:
Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
It certainly can be. Some apartments are fine now, some aren't.
If there's a 110 outlet in the parking area then you're good.
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GAC06 said:Premium said:apartment living isn't suitable to EVGAC06 said:
Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
It certainly can be. Some apartments are fine now, some aren't.
Yes. Underwhelming.
In Dallas per Apartments.com today.
33,755 rentals available
30,179 Apartments for Rent for Rent in Dallas, TX
6,986 rentals with EV Charging in Dallas, TX
6,957 Apartments for Rent for Rent with EV Charging in Dallas, TX
And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
One excuse after another. LOL.GAC06 said:
And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
bobbranco said:One excuse after another. LOL.GAC06 said:
And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
And another hand wave…
Says the master of the hand waveTeslag said:bobbranco said:One excuse after another. LOL.GAC06 said:
And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
And another hand wave…
I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
False. I'm using real examples, real supercharger data, and real metrics to support my position.
You're using emotion and old rare articles.
You're using emotion and old rare articles.
23% have chargers...GAC06 said:
I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
Not more common by any standard.
What emotion?Teslag said:
False. I'm using real examples, real supercharger data, and real metrics to support my position.
You're using emotion and old rare articles.
Every one of your responses is to gain some weird approval for choosing an EV.
ETA. I own a mild hybrid EV. Not a BEV. BFD.
bobbranco said:23% have chargers...GAC06 said:
I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
Not more common by any standard.
Maybe just read my posts twice before posting a nonsense reply. I said charging compatibility is becoming more common. Thanks for 23% though I guess.
Explain charging compatibility.GAC06 said:bobbranco said:23% have chargers...GAC06 said:
I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
Not more common by any standard.
Maybe just read my posts twice before posting a nonsense reply. I said charging compatibility is becoming more common. Thanks for 23% though I guess.
It's charging. Duh.
Maybe look up what "becoming" means. Is this real life?
Sure.GAC06 said:
Maybe look up what "becoming" means. Is this real life?
"Better" more common.
Fine.
GAC06 said:
Maybe look up what "becoming" means. Is this real life?
He also didn't know what "rare" meant.
Yep. Per google AI.
Rare is 2,263+/- Tesla supercharger stations. 1.15% of total gas stations.
The very common gas station occurs 196,643+/- times.
Rare is 2,263+/- Tesla supercharger stations. 1.15% of total gas stations.
The very common gas station occurs 196,643+/- times.
What is 14 super chargers out of over 50,000 being down across the world for one day each in 6 months?
Should check your data. Your apples to oranges comparisons are ridiculous.
202 sites closed
of 6652 open
2.94%
https://supercharge.info/data
202 sites closed
of 6652 open
2.94%
https://supercharge.info/data
97% reliability sounds pretty dang good
Yeah. So?GAC06 said:
97% reliability sounds pretty dang good
My gas station is always open. NBD.
And that's not even what it says. His closed data includes superchargers that have been permanently closed, not just temporarily offline.
He literally has no idea how to read the data.
He literally has no idea how to read the data.
So when you filter his data for US locations it shows 7 temporary closures out of 2,416 locations.
That's actually 99.7% reliability.
Dude can't stop owning himself.
That's actually 99.7% reliability.
Dude can't stop owning himself.
bobbranco said:Yeah. So?GAC06 said:
97% reliability sounds pretty dang good
My gas station is always open. NBD.
Sounds like teskla's chargers are too. NBD indeed
Look at you, you has a Tesla.
Has to be a troll at this point.
EVs likely contributing to Stellantis woes.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2024/09/24/stellantis-cuts-workers-at-sterling-heights-with-more-layoffs-planned/75367058007/
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/michigan-republicans-demand-answers-from-auto-maker-stellantis-on-how-electrification-will-impact-constituents/amp/
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2024/09/24/stellantis-cuts-workers-at-sterling-heights-with-more-layoffs-planned/75367058007/
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/michigan-republicans-demand-answers-from-auto-maker-stellantis-on-how-electrification-will-impact-constituents/amp/
Quote:
Despite being awarded hundreds of millions in electric-vehicle grants from the Biden administration, Stellantis is considering moving Ram 1500 production from a plant outside Detroit to Mexico, United Auto Workers vice president Rich Boyer said last month amid contract negotiations between the company and the union.
Trump will fix it.
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