I will never buy an electric powered vehicle.

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In reply to Teslag • 8:01a, 9/23/24
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Teslag said:
Based on those metrics an EV is perfectly suited for the "average driver".


I was never disagreeing with that, but now get over the three issues I brought up on why they won't easily be convinced.
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In reply to WBBQ74 • 10:28a, 9/23/24
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WBBQ74 said:
You are correct. A golf cart works for the golf course. It gets to charge up all night and putter around for a couple of hours on a 7200 YD or about 4 mile pathway. A $75K EV is not much better than a glorified golf cart and just doesn't work for most folks in Texas. Unless you are only going to drive it a few miles to work and back each day, and have a place in the garage to charge it up every night. Just because the Green Fairy says it is so does not make it such. Only the heavy hand of government can 'make' EVs attractive financially, at least somewhat. The market is not ready and the electric power grid damn sure ain't ready for millions of EVs sucking up the Kw's.

Yep. The average driver lives paycheck to paycheck. And are not ready for a house, garage, an EV and a home charging station.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/living-paycheck-to-paycheck-statistics-2024/

Don't mind the elitists who look down their long noses at the unwashed masses.
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In reply to bobbranco • 10:33a, 9/23/24
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Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
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In reply to bobbranco • 10:34a, 9/23/24
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65% of Americans are homeowners.

https://www.nar.realtor/newsroom/more-americans-own-their-homes-but-black-white-homeownership-rate-gap-is-biggest-in-a-decade-nar#
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In reply to GAC06 • 11:27a, 9/23/24
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GAC06 said:
Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
apartment living isn't suitable to EV
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In reply to Teslag • 11:28a, 9/23/24
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Teslag said:
65% of Americans are homeowners.

https://www.nar.realtor/newsroom/more-americans-own-their-homes-but-black-white-homeownership-rate-gap-is-biggest-in-a-decade-nar#
35% not being homeowners is not insignificant. Also break that down by condo vs single family where they don't park on the sidewalk

ETA, I did:

  • Single-family homes: About 70-80% of homeowners in the U.S. live in single-family homes. These typically come with private driveways or garages.

  • Condos or homes with shared parking: Approximately 20-30% of homeowners live in condos, townhouses, or multi-family units where they park in shared parking lots or on the street.

    • So with that in mind about 45-50% of the total population live in a situation where EV could even happen, much less the technology iq and fear factor.
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    In reply to Premium • 11:32a, 9/23/24
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    Premium said:
    GAC06 said:
    Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
    apartment living isn't suitable to EV


    It certainly can be. Some apartments are fine now, some aren't.
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    12:11p, 9/23/24
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    https://www.npr.org/2024/09/23/nx-s1-5074064/ev-gas-cars-environment-skepticism

    TL/DR NPR is very worried that people are no longer believing their lies about EVs.

    Quote:
    Journalists have done a lot of work explaining those environmental harms, and the public has noticed. That's good news: Trancik, of MIT, says people should ask questions about the true environmental costs of all technology. But the mountain of research determining that EVs are still cleaner than gasoline-powered cars doesn't seem to have gotten as much traction.
    Trump will fix it.
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    In reply to GAC06 • 12:29p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    Premium said:
    GAC06 said:
    Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
    apartment living isn't suitable to EV


    It certainly can be. Some apartments are fine now, some aren't.

    If there's a 110 outlet in the parking area then you're good.
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    In reply to GAC06 • 12:35p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    Premium said:
    GAC06 said:
    Being able to charge at home is a limiting factor for sure, but someone living paycheck to paycheck that can charge at home might enjoy saving money on gas.
    apartment living isn't suitable to EV


    It certainly can be. Some apartments are fine now, some aren't.

    Yes. Underwhelming.

    In Dallas per Apartments.com today.

    33,755 rentals available

    30,179 Apartments for Rent for Rent in Dallas, TX

    6,986 rentals with EV Charging in Dallas, TX

    6,957 Apartments for Rent for Rent with EV Charging in Dallas, TX
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    In reply to bobbranco • 12:38p, 9/23/24
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    And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
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    In reply to GAC06 • 12:57p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
    One excuse after another. LOL.
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    In reply to bobbranco • 12:58p, 9/23/24
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    bobbranco said:
    GAC06 said:
    And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
    One excuse after another. LOL.


    And another hand wave…
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    In reply to Teslag • 12:59p, 9/23/24
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    Teslag said:
    bobbranco said:
    GAC06 said:
    And of those with charging, it may still be inconvenient. It's far from an insurmountable challenge though, and it's changing
    One excuse after another. LOL.


    And another hand wave…
    Says the master of the hand wave
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    In reply to bobbranco • 1:00p, 9/23/24
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    I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
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    In reply to bobbranco • 1:01p, 9/23/24
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    False. I'm using real examples, real supercharger data, and real metrics to support my position.

    You're using emotion and old rare articles.
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    In reply to GAC06 • 1:03p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
    23% have chargers...

    Not more common by any standard.
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    In reply to Teslag • 1:03p, 9/23/24
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    Teslag said:
    False. I'm using real examples, real supercharger data, and real metrics to support my position.

    You're using emotion and old rare articles.
    What emotion?
    Every one of your responses is to gain some weird approval for choosing an EV.

    ETA. I own a mild hybrid EV. Not a BEV. BFD.
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    In reply to bobbranco • 1:06p, 9/23/24
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    bobbranco said:
    GAC06 said:
    I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
    23% have chargers...

    Not more common by any standard.


    Maybe just read my posts twice before posting a nonsense reply. I said charging compatibility is becoming more common. Thanks for 23% though I guess.
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    In reply to GAC06 • 1:07p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    bobbranco said:
    GAC06 said:
    I was responding to the claim that "apartment living isn't suitable to EV". That's obviously false already, and apartments with charging compatibility are becoming more common. You've taken quite a beating on your ignorance of chargers here recently, maybe stop and take a breath.
    23% have chargers...

    Not more common by any standard.


    Maybe just read my posts twice before posting a nonsense reply. I said charging compatibility is becoming more common. Thanks for 23% though I guess.
    Explain charging compatibility.

    It's charging. Duh.
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    In reply to bobbranco • 1:10p, 9/23/24
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    Maybe look up what "becoming" means. Is this real life?
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    1:12p, 9/23/24
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    In reply to GAC06 • 1:13p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    Maybe look up what "becoming" means. Is this real life?
    Sure.

    "Better" more common.

    Fine.
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    In reply to GAC06 • 1:16p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    Maybe look up what "becoming" means. Is this real life?


    He also didn't know what "rare" meant.
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    1:32p, 9/23/24
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    Yep. Per google AI.

    Rare is 2,263+/- Tesla supercharger stations. 1.15% of total gas stations.

    The very common gas station occurs 196,643+/- times.

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    In reply to bobbranco • 1:37p, 9/23/24
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    What is 14 super chargers out of over 50,000 being down across the world for one day each in 6 months?
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    2:41p, 9/23/24
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    Should check your data. Your apples to oranges comparisons are ridiculous.

    202 sites closed
    of 6652 open

    2.94%

    https://supercharge.info/data

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    2:51p, 9/23/24
    AG
    97% reliability sounds pretty dang good
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    In reply to GAC06 • 2:54p, 9/23/24
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    GAC06 said:
    97% reliability sounds pretty dang good
    Yeah. So?

    My gas station is always open. NBD.

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    In reply to GAC06 • 2:55p, 9/23/24
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    And that's not even what it says. His closed data includes superchargers that have been permanently closed, not just temporarily offline.

    He literally has no idea how to read the data.
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    In reply to GAC06 • 3:06p, 9/23/24
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    So when you filter his data for US locations it shows 7 temporary closures out of 2,416 locations.

    That's actually 99.7% reliability.

    Dude can't stop owning himself.
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    In reply to bobbranco • 3:07p, 9/23/24
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    bobbranco said:
    GAC06 said:
    97% reliability sounds pretty dang good
    Yeah. So?

    My gas station is always open. NBD.



    Sounds like teskla's chargers are too. NBD indeed
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    3:45p, 9/23/24
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    Look at you, you has a Tesla.

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    In reply to Teslag • 5:21p, 9/23/24
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    Has to be a troll at this point.
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    12:40p, 9/25/24
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    EVs likely contributing to Stellantis woes.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2024/09/24/stellantis-cuts-workers-at-sterling-heights-with-more-layoffs-planned/75367058007/


    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/michigan-republicans-demand-answers-from-auto-maker-stellantis-on-how-electrification-will-impact-constituents/amp/

    Quote:
    Despite being awarded hundreds of millions in electric-vehicle grants from the Biden administration, Stellantis is considering moving Ram 1500 production from a plant outside Detroit to Mexico, United Auto Workers vice president Rich Boyer said last month amid contract negotiations between the company and the union.
    Trump will fix it.
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