I watched another vid today of the latest Tesla FSD. It's simply amazing. I might buy a Tesla just for that, despite the fact that it's an EV.

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Tesla Rolls Out New FSD Version, Beta Testers Say It's 'Phenomenal'

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https://insideevs.com/news/725309/tesla-fsd-12-4-2-updates-refinement/

https://autos.yahoo.com/fan-boy-finally-criticizes-tesla-193000023.html

The cybertruk is going to go down as a lemon. It will be interesting to see how long they try to make it work before they pull it from the market. Musk has admitted the original Roadster was a bad car and he will eventually have to admit the same with the truk

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If this were any other car company, none of this would have been acceptable but somehow Tesla owners have convinced themselves that going through something like this is just a part of the ownership experience.

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This par of the article is spot on, and supported by most of the posts by owners in this thread.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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techno-ag said:

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If this were any other car company, none of this would have been acceptable but somehow Tesla owners have convinced themselves that going through something like this is just a part of the ownership experience.

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This par of the article is spot on, and supported by most of the posts by owners in this thread.

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Absolutely. It took two lemons in a row and an inability to open the frunk when it bricked despite the alleged emergency procedures.

Again I say one of the worst design flaws of all time in not including a manual latch.

Kansas Kid said:

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The cybertruk is going to go down as a lemon. It will be interesting to see how long they try to make it work before they pull it from the market. Musk has admitted the original Roadster was a bad car and he will eventually have to admit the same with the truk

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I've repeatedly posted my disdain for the Cybertruck but remember we are all "fanboys" to them

On a great note for EVs, apparently Elon wants to be my FaceBook friend!!!

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techno-ag said:

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If this were any other car company, none of this would have been acceptable but somehow Tesla owners have convinced themselves that going through something like this is just a part of the ownership experience.

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This par of the article is spot on, and supported by most of the posts by owners in this thread.

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Absolutely. It took two lemons in a row and an inability to open the frunk when it bricked despite the alleged emergency procedures.

Again I say one of the worst design flaws of all time in not including a manual latch.

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Not even close to the worst design issue of all time. How about fuel tanks outside the frame of the vehicle like the Pinto, GM's side saddle truck fuel tanks, etc.

How about airbag inflators that degrade over time and send shrapnel into the vehicle on minor accidents killing people?

Ford Explorers and other vehicles with high CGs that roll over

How many have been killed by the Tesla design flaw vs these others? We know you won't admit the error in your comment because of MANDATES that make you look at everything with a flawed and biased lense.


PS. We all know you will want to say EVs regularly explode on impact even though the data doesn't support it.

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On a great note for EVs, apparently Elon wants to be my FaceBook friend!!!

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Very cool!

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The reason why is The Hubs has a hard time keeping the lake house golf cart charged, all of his tools charged.

We have multiple 200 amps drops on the ranch. But keeping that many things charged even on a trickle cell does not work forever. They die.

Until battery tech makes a HUGE advancement, EVs are futile.

Now, tell me why I am wrong.

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Yes, but will you buy a Hydrogen powered vehicle?

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aggiehawg said:

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The reason why is The Hubs has a hard time keeping the lake house golf cart charged, all of his tools charged.

We have multiple 200 amps drops on the ranch. But keeping that many things charged even on a trickle cell does not work forever. They die.

Until battery tech makes a HUGE advancement, EVs are futile.

Now, tell me why I am wrong.

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Yes, but will you buy a Hydrogen powered vehicle?

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Only if you're ready to go out in a blaze of glory.

https://electrek.co/2024/07/05/tesla-model-s-x-sales-crashing-hiding-it/

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Tesla Model S/X sales are crashing and Tesla is hiding it

Tesla Model S and Model X sales are not doing well, and Tesla is hiding that decline through its opaque delivery reporting.

As we have often reported, Tesla doesn't break down its sales by model. The lack of transparency is frustrating as it makes it harder to track the health of its vehicle programs. Tesla is virtually the only major automaker to do that.
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A more than 30% decline in deliveries year-over-year is certainly significant.

Tesla is seeing increased competition in the higher-end segments where Model S and Model X compete with now virtually every legacy luxury automaker having premium sedans and SUVs.

The models are still highly competitive with those new entries, but the technology advantage is becoming less evident.

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More bad news. At least their stock has rebounded.

A total shocker. They went from having a virtual monopoly in the market to having a lot of competition from other automakers and they lost share. Who could have guessed it?

I'm a little mystified by that still. It seems self evident to me that they have decided to stick with a 'continuous' model philosophy and change it relatively little outwardly, each year. Fine, but when they are also opening their charging network to competitors freely and those competitors have huge distribution networks/installed base of customers used to working with their products etc (especially in the luxury realm) I would think they'd shift their strategy some what?

But the truth is their only real shift has been to drive prices down (they do have lower cost of goods) and that…inversely hurts their 'prestige' in the luxury space. It's just a weird business plan, imho, if you're trying to bank profits from the top of your lineup (sticker price-wise) like all other auto mfg's, by pulling buyers from Porsche/BMW/Lexus etc. There's no 'status symbol' appeal to a model whose base version is cheaper than a Camry…

Anyway, they are really 'all in' on the robotaxi saving their business. Hopefully it's not as garish/obscene as the cybertruck which is destined to be a niche product (again, my take).

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Looking ahead, this means the upcoming robotaxi unveiling event slated for August 8 may have big implications for the stock bypassing even Tesla's upcoming earnings update scheduled for July 23. Specifically, Musk had confirmed in early April shortly after releasing disappointing 1Q delivery numbers that the company will be unveiling its robotaxi at an official event on August 8. And much has been touted over the company's autonomous mobility ambitions since. They include a reduction in FSD purchase and subscription prices to $8,000 (previously $12,000) and $99 per month (previously $199 per month), respectively, and a 30-day free trial for the technology's latest version 12.3 to all existing Model S/3/X/Y owners in the U.S.
Although management has largely stayed mum on the run-down of discussion points during the upcoming unveiling event, investors are expecting updates on when Tesla plans to launch its robotaxi or Cybercab fleet, and how the company plans to monetize the new venture. For now, Musk has confirmed that Tesla intends to be a fleet operator that combines the essence of both Airbnb (ABNB) and Uber (UBER). Built on its own fleet app and software, Cybercab would consist of both Tesla-owned and individual-owned Tesla vehicles equipped with FSD.
This business model also means robotaxi monetization would hinge on FSD uptake, optimizing Tesla's revenue share of the autonomous mobility strategy. And over the longer-term, considering Tesla's ongoing discussions with legacy auto OEMs on licensing its technology, there is also potential for inclusion of non-Tesla vehicles into the Cybercab fleet.
This breaks down the autonomous mobility monetization opportunity for Tesla into three main categories 1) FSD uptake from individual Tesla owners, 2) Cybercab fleet charges on rides facilitated by individual Tesla owners, Tesla-owned vehicles, as well as non-Tesla vehicles, and 3) licensing FSD technology to non-Tesla OEMs.

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Personally, I'm not a prospective customer but I hope they succeed wildly at this just because I think it would be great to reduce DWI fatalities etc.

It's likely people shifting purchases from the Model S to the Model 3. Model X sales are wholly inconsequential to Tesla's financials and it should really be discontinued.

The latest version of FSD is a lot closer than I would have expected to autonomous driving especially in neighborhoolds and city streets. It still takes some occasional interventions and isn't there yet but it is safer than drunk, teenage, and distracted drivers if you were to encounter them on the road.

ETA. If they perfect it, I bet Musk will license it to other manufacturers. Charge $5-8k for each one sold and they could make a lot of money given it would be essentially 100% profit.

Yeah I agree and that's also why they plan to license it etc. The AI side they plan/hope/want to make a lot of money on, obviously (which dovetails into Musk's attack on Apple/Chat GPT etc). The videos of it driving around in suburban streets are fascinating (and CCP competitors).

Still, the risk is it only takes a handful of accidents to allow a judge etc. to stop-pause the whole thing as an enterprise…

Other carmakers have tried to own/operate for instance rental car companies, with disastrous results. Owning/operating a fleet of robotaxi's is an exceptionally bold plan, but again I hope it works. From an investor standpoint, I am dubious it will happen quickly and on a timeline they project this month/next.

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Yeah I agree and that's also why they plan to license it etc. The AI side they plan/hope/want to make a lot of money on, obviously (which dovetails into Musk's attack on Apple/Chat GPT etc). The videos of it driving around in suburban streets are fascinating (and CCP competitors).

Still, the risk is it only takes a handful of accidents to allow a judge etc. to stop-pause the whole thing as an enterprise…

Other carmakers have tried to own/operate for instance rental car companies, with disastrous results. Owning/operating a fleet of robotaxi's is an exceptionally bold plan, but again I hope it works. From an investor standpoint, I am dubious it will happen quickly and on a timeline they project this month/next.

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Your comment on a judge/regulator shutting them down is a genuine concern which should weigh the risk with FSD vs humans but as we already see, they won't look at it that way even if it could be proven to save 100 lives for every one killed by FSD.

I am not a bull on robo taxi for a variety of reasons but would love to have FSD for cars to greatly reduce accidents and help people like the elderly get around longer in life.

I decided to add a gas guzzling road tractor to my garage to compliment my EV. That way I can destroy the earth through lithium mining and fracking at the same time. Winning.

That is nice

I've been intrigued by those, haven't even seen one in person. Not a fan of BMW engines holding up long term but they do look pretty cool. Congrats.

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I decided to add a gas guzzling road tractor to my garage to compliment my EV. That way I can destroy the earth through lithium mining and fracking at the same time. Winning.

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What, exactly, is the Toot Button?

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slaughtr said:

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I decided to add a gas guzzling road tractor to my garage to compliment my EV. That way I can destroy the earth through lithium mining and fracking at the same time. Winning.

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What, exactly, is the Toot Button?

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Lol.

Quieter horn so you can more gently remind people to get out of the way. Or to tell people in the car with you that you just farted. Either works.

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I've been intrigued by those, haven't even seen one in person. Not a fan of BMW engines holding up long term but they do look pretty cool. Congrats.

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Squeezed 290,000 out of my 2.5L F6 86' 325es. Sold it still running.

Wouldn't touch a 2010-present BMW.

Those are cool. You made the right choice with the steel wheels

From everything I've read and watched, the B58 is the most reliable engine BMW has made since the switch from naturally aspirated to turbocharged

VW to ramp up solid state battery production. Getting rid of liquid electrolytes is a big deal, though I can't claim to be an expert on this one. Will follow this one if they start delivering vehicles using these as to cooling/range/longevity etc.

Porsche announced the end of 718 ICE production. So sad. I bought a 718 GTS 4.0 last year, and the purr of the flat 6 along with the 6 spd MT brings a smile to my face every time I drive it.

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Porsche announced the end of 718 ICE production. So sad. I bought a 718 GTS 4.0 last year, and the purr of the flat 6 along with the 6 spd MT brings a smile to my face every time I drive it.

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I owned a Cayman S and it was truly an exceptional car. Only reason I sold it was because it was worth more than I paid for it post Covid. But after owning an EV, I can't wait for the Cayman EV. Will likely be my next car. My only concern is that they will dial it back so it doesn't smoke its big brother 0-60, which it should easily be able to do.

Picked it up today, and first impression has been very positive. Let my wife drive it, and she mentioned "how could you ever go back to a normal car after driving this?"

BREAKING: Tesla has introduced the Model 3 Long Range RWD in the US!

• Starting price: $42,490 ($34,990 including Fed EV credit)
• EPA range: 363 miles
• 0-60mph: 4.9s pic.twitter.com/IA7yl9aTRI

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) July 12, 2024

Just fyi, while it sucks to still not have power at my house after that wind on Monday morning, and it sucked dealing with cancelled and rebooked flights three times between Sunday and Tuesday, my Rivian is now on day 5 of powering our garage fridge/freezer (saving the dear meat and other cold storage perishables), phone chargers, box fans, coffee maker, etc. and it still has ~40% battery life remaining. I haven't even had to think about firing up our generator and didn't have to worry those first two days about finding an open gas station without an hour long line to refill my gas can.

Hopefully, Rivian gets V2H capabilities one day. Ford Lightning has it.

Edit: my plan is to power equipment with the Rivian until the battery gets under 20%, then switch to my generator. I have about 2-3 gal in a 5 gal can and now gas is easy to get since everyone has power back except my street apparently. I think we'll finally get power back in another day or so though.

It's coming.

Tesla is supposed to add it to their vehicle lineup by next year. That was announced Spring 2023 with a "by 2025" timeline. Only Cybertruck has it now, hoping the Model Y refresh is the first to get it.

A Rivian spokesperson has stated that all R1 vehicles, including those on the road, are capable of vehicle to home charging (V2H) and vehicle to vehicle (V2V) charging using CCS.

This ability should be released in a future OTA update. #Rivian @Rivian @RJScaringe pic.twitter.com/vZa70b4HFD

— Rivian Updates (@RivianUpdates) February 1, 2023

Rivian has announced a future release of a bidirectional charger, along with a software update enabling Vehicle-to-Home (V2H) with a peak rate of around 24kW, compatible with both Gen 1 and Gen 2 R1 models.

The upcoming Rivian R2 will feature a bidirectional charging system peak… pic.twitter.com/RFuoyLHZOS

— Rivian Updates (@RivianUpdates) June 27, 2024

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Picked it up today, and first impression has been very positive. Let my wife drive it, and she mentioned "how could you ever go back to a normal car after driving this?"

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I would never own one in Houston as a daily driver given all the prolonged power outages in recent years. If I had money for fancy toys though, I would love to have one, just for the 0-60 in 2 sec alone.

It's really fun to drive. We built our house with plans to add a generator but now I'm considering solar