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It's really fun to drive. We built our house with plans to add a generator but now I'm considering solar

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IDK man, I probably never would have bought one myself and kept using my portable generator, but the house I bought a year ago already had a Generac 22KW. Now that I have a whole home generator, I can't imagine going without one. Rain or shine, night or day, there's always power if I need it. I ran it for 39 hours out of a 40 hour power outage last month and it kept the wife, kids and me happy. I guess if you have enough battery storage solar might be sufficient, but generators work pretty well. Especially if you have natural gas available, they're not even that costly to run.

Yeah, that was the plan. We built the house with a generator in mind, the wiring and gas line from our propane tank is in place. I'm looking at solar now though, as it would also provide backup power but would be helpful on normal days too

Might have found an ev i would consider


https://www.alphamotorinc.com/nightwolf






https://www.alphamotorinc.com/amckclights

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Vaporware

Sales drop in Kali again.

Still the best selling car there! /EVangelists

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/07/19/tesla-sales-drop-17-in-california/amp/

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This might be the end of a love affair that became unrequited. Elon Musk has been steadfast in bashing California and has pledged to move Tesla, SpaceX, and X to Texas. Californians, in turn, are turning their backs on Musk.

Tesla sales in California dropped 24.1 % in the second quarter, the brand's third straight quarterly decline in the state. Purchases dipped 7.8% in the first quarter of 2024 and 9.8% in the final quarter of last year. Year-to-date, Tesla sales in California are down 17% compared to last year, according to the latest analysis of new vehicle registrations published by the California New Car Dealers Association (CNCDA). Instead of a Tesla from Musk's $793 billion electric vehicle empire, California car buyers are purchasing battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) from Toyota, Hyundai, and Ford. The analysis found Toyota BEV registrations have soared 108.1% so far this year, while Hyundai and Ford BEV registrations rose 65.7% and 26.4%, respectively.

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https://fortune.com/2024/07/19/tesla-sales-falling-california-toyota-hyundai-ford-rising/

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To be sure, Tesla is still the car of choice in California. The top-selling car is the Tesla Model Y in the new-vehicle market of BEVs and plug-in hybrids. The second top-selling BEV and plug-in model is the Model 3

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Vaporware

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The Toyota Stout sounds a lot more intriguing, imho.

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Might have found an ev i would consider


https://www.alphamotorinc.com/nightwolf






https://www.alphamotorinc.com/amckclights

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With a gasoline engine, that would be one hell of a truck.

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Picked it up today, and first impression has been very positive. Let my wife drive it, and she mentioned "how could you ever go back to a normal car after driving this?"

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I would never own one in Houston as a daily driver given all the prolonged power outages in recent years. If I had money for fancy toys though, I would love to have one, just for the 0-60 in 2 sec alone.

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I have had mine for a little over a year. Was without power 8.5 days, but only needed to charge at bucees 11 minutes to add 100 miles and make it with no problems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/22/style/elon-musk-tesla-cybertruck.html

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Richard Zhang, a Cybertruck owner from Pittsburgh, said the vast majority of the interactions he has about his truck have been positive. But the negative ones are really, really negative.

"They are so filled with rage that they have lost all sense of human decency and respect," Mr. Zhang, 30, said of the critics he has encountered.

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NYT calls the Cybertruck "A culture war on wheels."

LOL, no thanks!

Effect of EV mandates could mean drivers will wait an hour to charge their cars, research shows https://t.co/WJNLOFi8pE

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 23, 2024

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LOL, no thanks!

Effect of EV mandates could mean drivers will wait an hour to charge their cars, research shows https://t.co/WJNLOFi8pE

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 23, 2024

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That is some hard hitting analysis. If we go all electric and don't add 5x the fast chargers, there will be long lines. Who would have guessed. If only there was a way to solve this problem over the next 26 years but no one will see the business opportunity to add chargers and make some money.

While I don't think we will ever get anywhere near 100% EVs, if we do I am willing to be we will need more than 5x the current mumber of fast chargers given the large increase in people that won't be able to charge at home compared to the current ownership percentage.

ETA, they are also underestimating the cost to add the Superchargers but even if it is 10x the cost or $35b, that really isn't much in the grand scheme of the US auto market. I would guess we spend around that much capital to maintain our refineries every year.

LOL, GM, on second EV truck plant, maybe not so much...

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General Motors said Tuesday it is again slowing its plans for all-electric vehicles by further delaying a second U.S. electric truck plant and the Buick brand's first EV.

The six-month delay in retooling the electric truck plant in Michigan, until mid-2026, also means GM will not achieve a prior target of having North American production capacity of 1 million EVs by 2025.

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CEO Mary Barra's business argle-bargle had some interesting nuances to it.

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...The changes add new questions about the Detroit automaker's plans for future battery cell plants other than two current joint venture facilities with LG Energy Solution in North America. GM previously announced plans for four of the multibillion-dollar plants in the U.S. by 2026.
Barra on Tuesday said the company would grow cell production in a "meaningful cadence."

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That very much sounds to me like "when the evident demand is determined to be sustainable enough to make the investment worth our while."

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They really thought they'd need another plant to meet the demand for a $95K Silverado RST?

I paid $49.5K for my RST 6.2L Z71 with leather in 2020 and that was too damn much IMO. Especially considering their trucks are unreliable POS that they won't stand behind past 60K miles.

The math isn't mathing. Why not charge $1,000,000?

The US2 are continuing to shift plans back to profitable ICE vehicles. Ford takes a hit after hours in guidance due to (partially) ongoing EV losses. Plans for 3 row EV SUV production shifted to profitable F-150 series. Shocker.

Porsche: 'on second thought, we will let consumers decide.'

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The US2 are continuing to shift plans back to profitable ICE vehicles. Ford takes a hit after hours in guidance due to (partially) ongoing EV losses. Plans for 3 row EV SUV production shifted to profitable F-150 series. Shocker.

Porsche: 'on second thought, we will let consumers decide.'

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Ford has been ruthless about profits recently, abandoning the production of all cars save the Mustang and making trucks and SUVs only. They are probably hoping for eased EV mandates after the election.

Kamala wants to double down on Biden EV mandate:

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If you thought Joe Biden's electric vehicle mandates were unpopular (and they are) just wait until you see the even more aggressive plans that Kamala Harris has in store if she manages to be elected to the White House. Rather than giving in to a popular lack of demand, Harris intends to double down, accelerating the schedule for converting the American fleet of vehicles at an even more rapid pace wherever possible. The Democrats still aren't quite crazy enough to try to make possession of a gas-powered vehicle illegal, but they will bully the automakers to ensure that a full 50% of all vehicles sold are EVs and they will use the regulatory power of federal agencies to enforce their will. It's almost as if Harris and her party are daring the American people not to vote for them.

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How about…no. And again, anyone buying an EV is supporting the Democrat/CCP parties, with their wallet and actions alike.

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Gets funnier every time you say it

I guess Musk is a democrat double agent again

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And again, anyone buying an EV is supporting the Democrat/CCP parties, with their wallet and actions alike.

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au contraire bon jour

Representing!!! pic.twitter.com/iFwR6OycUg

— A Man Of Memes (@RickyDoggin) July 25, 2024

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Gets funnier every time you say it

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As much as I like Elon and Tesla, I'll never buy a ****ing EV now. Why? Because you and Kamal want to force it down my throat. Well, **** Kamal and the lefties.

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As much as I like Elon and Tesla, I'll never buy a ****ing EV now. Why? Because you and Kamal want to force it down my throat. Well, **** Kamal and the lefties.

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Where has GAC or anyone else on this thread said they want mandates? It has been the exact opposite for those that don't view EVs as the great evil. A few think EVs will take a majority of new cars but that is because they think the technology will improve to where most people will want an EV. I am not there but only time will tell how the market demand develops assuming the idiots in government allow the market to evolve without interference.

Don't forget it isn't a free market for gasoline either. Ethanol mandate are nationwide and CA has their own gas spec which drastically increases their pump prices.

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-earnings-second-quarter-sales-decline-8bdd0d655cddde90f534b41fd87edc4a

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Tesla's second-quarter net income fell 45% compared with a year ago as the company's global electric vehicle sales tumbled despite price cuts and low-interest financing.

The Austin, Texas, company said Tuesday that it made $1.48 billion from April through June, less than the $2.7 billion it made in the same period of 2023. It was Tesla's second-straight quarterly net income decline.

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Austin based company now.

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As much as I like Elon and Tesla, I'll never buy a ****ing EV now. Why? Because you and Kamal want to force it down my throat. Well, **** Kamal and the lefties.

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How does GAC the poster want to force you into an EV? Be specific. I'd like to hear this one.

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I guess Musk is a democrat double agent again

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No, he's a smart conservative ripping off the libtards with stupid EVs where it costs more and supre inconvenient to run than gas/hybrids in CA.

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As much as I like Elon and Tesla, I'll never buy a ****ing EV now. Why? Because you and Kamal want to force it down my throat. Well, **** Kamal and the lefties.

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That's okay. Some people can't handle driving fast, I guess.

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No, he's a smart conservative ripping off the libtards with stupid EVs where it costs more and supre inconvenient to run than gas/hybrids in CA.

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I wouldn't call Musk a conservative by any stretch. As he posted a few years ago in a meme, he was a liberal and is now only on the leaning conservative side because the liberals went way off to the left while his political views remained the same.

He has made a lot of money off the government teat with many of his businesses. He is also a big supporter of the Paris climate accord.

Regarding Ford and EVs. Ford Stockholders should initiate some kind of cease and desist order....

There is not a pay wall on this article but you have to sign up for a free account, which I haven't done.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/25/ford-loses-50000-on-every-electric-car/

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Ford loses $50,000 on every electric car
US giant posts $1bn loss on EVs as manufacturers struggle with costs of shift from petrol

By Matt Oliver, INDUSTRY EDITOR 25 July 2024 10:39am. The Telegraph

Ford loses nearly $50,000 (38,700) on every electric car it sells, results from the company show, as traditional manufacturers struggle with the switch away from petrol...

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Unending EV disaster:

"Profits at the German auto giant Mercedes plunged on Friday as sales of its slick new range of electric vehicles (EVs) went into freefall. Porsche abandoned its sales targets for battery-powered cars amid waning demand from customers. Ford is losing nearly… pic.twitter.com/p5v51YLsLv

— Steve Milloy (@JunkScience) July 27, 2024

As if Mercedes doesn't already have a huge problem with depreciation, make it an EV and it's going to be even worse. A used Mercedes EV is going to be hard to sell and stupid to buy. What do you think a $150K Mercedes EV will be worth in 10 years? How much will the battery pack replacement cost?

It's just a terrible investment that has to be made by people with enough money to buy a $150K car and you'd think that population would be somewhat averse to that bad of an investment. Wealthy people buy stupid things too though.

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Unending EV disaster:

"Profits at the German auto giant Mercedes plunged on Friday as sales of its slick new range of electric vehicles (EVs) went into freefall. Porsche abandoned its sales targets for battery-powered cars amid waning demand from customers. Ford is losing nearly… pic.twitter.com/p5v51YLsLv

— Steve Milloy (@JunkScience) July 27, 2024

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Profits at the German auto giant Mercedes plunged on Friday as sales of its slick new range of electric vehicles (EVs) went into freefall. Porsche abandoned its sales targets for battery-powered cars amid waning demand from customers. Ford is losing nearly $50,000 (39,000) on every EV it sells, while Tesla's profits dropped 45pc. Meanwhile, battery manufacturers such as Germany's Varta are getting wiped out. Over the last few days, it has become clear that the EV industry is on the brink of collapse. Hundreds of billions of euros, dollars and pounds have been pumped into this industry by political leaders and the subsidy junkies that surround them and it is surely time they were held to account for the vast quantities of taxpayer cash that has been wasted."

https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/27/heads-should-roll-over-the-electric-car-fiasco/

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Devastating.

With the range extender, the Cybertruck will finally be able to go the same distance as my truck on a full tank of gas.

Of course, it takes up 1/3 the bed, it costs $16k, and has to be installed by a service tech.

https://electrek.co/2024/07/27/tesla-confirms-cybertruck-range-extender-mounted-service/

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Tesla announced that it will make a "range extender" available for the Cybertruck. The Cybertruck's range extender is an extra battery pack that sits in the truck's bed taking about 33% of the vehicle's bed.

The automaker disclosed that the battery pack would increase the range of the dual motor Cybertruck from 340 miles to over 470 miles and the Cyberbeast from 320 miles to over 440 miles.

Tesla has yet to launch the range extender or confirm the price, but the code for the configurator on Tesla's website briefly showed a $16,000 price.

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LOL, 'with a range extender.'

Stellantis CEO makes it clear - blame politicians for EV sales expectations.

The EVs ramp up "is not happening as quickly as the political leadership had expected. what we are seeing in the western world right now is the consumers are not supporting as much the political… pic.twitter.com/COlRepGa9C

— Dan Tsubouchi (@Energy_Tidbits) July 25, 2024

Stellantis tells owners of over 24,000 hybrid minivans to park outdoors due to battery fire risk https://t.co/9WFLxjc76y pic.twitter.com/N6l3S5pfR9

— Financial Post (@financialpost) July 26, 2024

All EV's and hybrids should be parked outside for safety reasons, imho.