I saw this the other day….ironically as I was sitting in my Tesla charging LOL.

Prolly going to fill up his lawnmower or ATV.

At least he has the option to walk and fill up a gas can. Can't get out of your discharged EV and walk to a charging station and come back with bucket full of joules. People will run out of EV juice just like the run out of gas. The former will require an expensive roadside generator or a tow. The latter requires a walk or ride to the gas station, a $10 gas can and $10 worth of gas that'll get you to the next station or far beyond.

Tesla roadside is free if you run out of juice.

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How long does that take in BFE?


Have you driven on our roads lately? Competency is lacking everywhere and a lot of people will run out of both gas and EV charge. I'm not sure how that relevant to the hurdles one will face when in that predicament?

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

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I installed a Tesla charger for some people that were buying my Dad's house. It was $400 for the Tesla Charger, maybe $100 for the wire, $20-$30 for the breaker, and two or three hours of my labor including pulling the SO cord. Not hard to do at all for anyone with moderate electrical experience. Even if you had to upgrade your main panel and had an electrician do all the work, you're getting ripped off if it gets anywhere near $10K.

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I'm not a licensed electrician, but I have a professional background in Satcom servo control system electrical integration/testing and am intimately familiar with residential electrical systems from my current business. It's not a job I'd recommend for a novice, but anyone comfortable with 2 pole 240V circuits can easily get it done.

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So I wanted the charger on the other side of my three car garage, so had a 50 foot run of wire. Priced out parts and it was maybe $300 total? Got a guy to do it for $900 and I'm lazy, so I let him do it.

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Prolly going to fill up his lawnmower or ATV.

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the irony.......

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So I wanted the charger on the other side of my three car garage, so had a 50 foot run of wire. Priced out parts and it was maybe $300 total? Got a guy to do it for $900 and I'm lazy, so I let him do it.

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That's reasonable for parts and labor depending on the location of your panel, charger, and how easy it is to access the top plates in your walls. If you have no attic or subfloor access to the top plate, blocking in the wall, or plan to surface mount conduit, then I would expect more.

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So I wanted the charger on the other side of my three car garage, so had a 50 foot run of wire. Priced out parts and it was maybe $300 total? Got a guy to do it for $900 and I'm lazy, so I let him do it.

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That's reasonable for parts and labor depending on the location of your panel, charger, and how easy it is to access the top plates in your walls. If you have no attic or subfloor access to the top plate, blocking in the wall, or plan to surface mount conduit, then I would expect more.

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My electrician placed the charger within 18 inches of the panel box and then brought the wire in from the side. I'm not sure how he did it but he did not have to go up and over to the panel box.

That's actually bizarrely fascinating. I guess as long as it's moving it should theoretically let the battery recharge, but there are risks/caveats. My other concern would be, even if it works, you'd somehow void some warranties, and Tesla's in particular are gathering data at all times from owners/drivers.

Tesla has stated that all of their vehicles will have bi-directional charging by 2025 and that is likely to become a standard feature for electric vehicles going forward (there's a law in the California congress considering mandating it as a feature), meaning every car on the road would have the potential to charge another vehicle on the road. Add an app integration that puts bounties on stopping and helping stranded motorists and it's really not that unworkable of a problem.

It is definitely the last resort option if a flat bed tow isn't available. Hard part is finding someone with a proper tow attachment and tow strap.

The only reason you might want one is to have fun.

We are looking at getting a couple of e-bikes.

My husband and was saying the apps show how much carbon you are saving when riding it.

I'm thinking we are adding to it because the choice is between riding our regular bikes or riding e-bikes.

We aren't getting them for the environment. I have knee and hip problems and riding a regular bike is getting hard

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The only reason you might want one is to have fun.

We are looking at getting a couple of e-bikes.

My husband and was saying the apps show how much carbon you are saving when riding it.

I'm thinking we are adding to it because the choice is between riding our regular bikes or riding e-bikes.

We aren't getting them for the environment. I have knee and hip problems and riding a regular bike is getting hard

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My wife and I both have e-bikes. Total blast. I used to live a mile from work and I just rode it in every day.

I wonder if the interruption to the flow of traffic is equal for running out of gas vs electricity? Seems like its twice a month I pass a stranded motorist on my commute (in the Texpress lane)

Seems good chance say 30 years from now EVs will the dominant car type. Eventually Changing the game same way streaming killed Blockbuster and DVDs. Many posters on here will be dead or an 'old' by that time sentimental about their DVD player, but as they say the only constant in life is change.

The infrastructure still has a way to go and costs need to drop to make that a reality but seems a likely future.

The OP, as an 'old' I wouldn't worry about it. You'll be able to go to your grave sticking with the cars from your era and Your grandkids will be driving the EVs.

I love my AM radio

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Plays all my Ronnie Milsap greats

posted this in the space thread, but it belongs here.

Just drove the production candidate Cybertruck at Tesla Giga Texas! pic.twitter.com/S0kCyGUBFD

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 23, 2023

Lithium battery recycling that reduces the amount of solvents necessary to extract materials by going straight from black mass to precursor material.

Wow, I bet you're fun at parties

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Seems good chance say 30 years from now EVs will the dominant car type. Eventually Changing the game same way streaming killed Blockbuster and DVDs. Many posters on here will be dead or an 'old' by that time sentimental about their DVD player, but as they say the only constant in life is change.

The infrastructure still has a way to go and costs need to drop to make that a reality but seems a likely future.

The OP, as an 'old' I wouldn't worry about it. You'll be able to go to your grave sticking with the cars from your era and Your grandkids will be driving the EVs.

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Change comes with good and bad and not all changes stick. We'll see what happens, EVs have some advantages and ICE cars have some advantages. I just wish we could let the market decided and keep the fed from limiting our choices.

For example, automatic transmissions are now faster, more efficient and ubiquitous in American cars. They'll never be able to offer the driver engagement, fun, control, low cost, and durability that standard transmissions do. Yes they are dying off, but would be much easier to offer without separate expensive government crash certification and fuel/emissions standards testing required to offer them alongside their automatic counterparts.

The arguments for ICE vehicles and against EVs is much stronger than standard vs automatic. Maybe if you compared a modern TR-6060 to an 80s three speed torque converter automatic, you might have a better comparison based on maturity of technology. EVs have a long way to go and there are some incredible ICE engines out there now. Battery technology is the biggest hurdle and I don't believe it's anywhere close to where it needs to be or will it be for a long time.

Cybertruck size compared to Super Duty, too big IMO

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There will be some fascinating fires with those things, because people will go out and off road in them thinking that is perfectly safe, and eventually there will be some damage to the ginormous battery bombs/circuitry.

It's just a matter of time.

Dude you act like it's a Ram

Need Porta-Potties at charging stations? Why? Because it is so fast?

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There will be some fascinating fires with those things, because people will go out and off road in them thinking that is perfectly safe, and eventually there will be some damage to the ginormous battery bombs/circuitry.

It's just a matter of time.

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So why don't gasoline/diesel vehicles get fired from punctured fuel tanks when they go off-roading? They are less protected on the bottom than the batteries made by Tesla.

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It's just a matter of time.

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Tell me you've never gone off-roading without telling me that.

Yes, punctures happen. HTH.

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Tell me you've never gone off-roading without telling me that.

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It's just a matter of time.

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I am questioning your cognitive/reasoning/reading capabilities, but don't want to insult you.

No, I am not 'admitting' basic facts and what I 'mention' is…what I consider relevant to the comparative risks of EV's (in this case the 'cyber truck') vs. ICE vehicles. It's not a big leap to consider the "bomb" factor of an EV different vs. a leak of a flammable fuel, or, oh by the way, the huge amount of the underside of an EV such as the cyber truck that conceals the…connected battery which is analogous to a bomb if scratched/damaged.

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It's just a matter of time.

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Tell me you've never gone off-roading without telling me that.

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So you are admitting then that ICE vehicles can also catch fire while off-roading and yes I know they do puncture and catch fire. You only seem to want to mention this as only a risk for a battery powered vehicle.

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I am questioning your cognitive/reasoning/reading capabilities, but don't want to insult you.

No, I am not 'admitting' basic facts and what I 'mention' is…what I consider relevant to the comparative risks of EV's (in this case the 'cyber truck') vs. ICE vehicles. It's not a big leap to consider the "bomb" factor of an EV different vs. a leak of a flammable fuel, or, oh by the way, the huge amount of the underside of an EV such as the cyber truck that conceals the…connected battery which is analogous to a bomb if scratched/damaged.

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I have seen ICE vehicles go up in flames so fast people had a hard time getting out in time and there are numerous stories of people not getting out. There is also the risk of a fuel leak from a roll over that doesn't exist with an EV (and EVs are way less likely to roll over). All I am saying is people need to acknowledge that there is a fire risk with all vehicles. Also, go look at the material on the underside of a Tesla. It is way more puncture resistant than the fuel system of an ICE.

I will grant you the China Tesla parking garage event is amazing and scary but very, very rare.

"I have seen" is an anecdotal tale I don't think is worth responding to in detail. I'll consider responding further if/when you provide some sort of logical/factually based data points.