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I rented a Tesla for a week and am now sold on gas powered cars.

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1. Battery Drainage Is Stress-Inducing

In the Tesla, stress is a given. The battery drains faster than you might think. Our Model 3 had an advertised range of about 300 miles, but that's if you charge it to 100 percent (which no one does) and run it to 0 percent (which no one does). So the practical range is about 150-200 miles. We felt compelled to recharge after going just 150 miles versus refueling after about 450 miles in our Honda Accord. The battery even drained 10 percent just sitting in the driveway for about a day. Granted, we covered some distances in Washington state during our travels. But that confirms EVs are a poor choice for road trips unless you enjoy the risk of being stranded.

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7. Don't Expect the Cost of a Battery Charge to Always Be Lower than Gasoline

There are so many variables in fuel/charging costs, it's hard to know if you're getting a deal. When we tapped the "lightning bolt" image on the Tesla's touch screen, we got a list of superchargers in the region as well as the cost per kilowatt hour, which varied from about 18 cents to about 50 cents. Our cheapest total charge was around $7 and ranged up to $25. We generally didn't put more than a 50 percent charge into the car at any one time, and given the miles driven, the $25 charge was about the same as we would have paid for gas. Since there are government subsidies both for purchasing an EV and for charging, I would expect those prices to rise if everyone gets with the program and demand is up.

But pigs will fly before I buy an EV based on my Tesla experience/experiment. This conclusion is not based on a one-hour test drive but on an entire week of driving in an EV-friendly part of the country.

Granted, there are some moments of fun when driving a Tesla. "Regenerative braking" is a system that recharges the battery. So once your foot is off the accelerator, the car slows down quickly. We rarely needed to use the brake at all, even at red lights. And once you accelerate, expect a fast pick-up! The tinted glass roof was kind of cool. The seats were comfortable enough. But all in all, it was too much hassle and too much anxiety. I'm now totally sold on gas-powered vehicles.

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Good points throughout the article.

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Great article. Yeah people like this try an EV out then shy away. Fanboys won't be discouraged though.

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Great article. Yeah people like this try an EV out then shy away. Fanboys won't be discouraged though.

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Or people that aren't morons like this lady. 95% chance she uses a Jitterbug as her cell phone and writes checks at the grocery store.

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Which works great up until the point the car burns the garage down overnight.

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Moot point since NTSB data shows ICE vehicles have a higher propensity to catch fire.

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Not in the garage.

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"Not in the garage." I'm supposed to be scared right? I just drove the hell out of my EV (Lightning) today. Made the 50 mile round trip and didn't use an ounce of gasoline. Wife is going to make the same drive this afternoon and she won't use an ounce of gasoline either. And in a day or two I will charge it up once again fearlessly. That Lightning is a pretty nice and comfortable truck.

By the way, look both ways when you cross the road or you may get killed. It is a risk you know.

Don't worry, you don't have one of the fire prone ICE Ford's. As EV's become more common it will simply be child neglect to put your kid in fire prone ICE vehicle.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ford-recall-634-000-vehicles-fire-risks

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Which works great up until the point the car burns the garage down overnight.

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Moot point since NTSB data shows ICE vehicles have a higher propensity to catch fire.

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Spontaneously?

Here's what happens when the charging infrastructure fails you: "We experienced the nightmare that prospective EV buyers are afraid of"

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My time with the 2024 Audi Q8 e-tron was nearly up. It had conquered the mountains of Colorado over multiple days and had safely returned me to my former home of Colorado Springs. The next day I had to drive it back to Denver early in the morning where I'd part ways with it. That's when my EV nightmare began and it had nothing to do with the 402 hp steed that Audi loaned me.

I parked the Audi in one of Colorado Springs' few centrally-located DC Fast Chargingstations and went to dinner with friends. Before walking away I confirmed that the car said it was charging, the light was green, the charger itself appeared to be charging and all seemed right with the world.

When I returned nearly two hours later I saw the screen that you all do above. For the average EV owner who has a charger at their home, this might not be a big deal. The car had another 21 or so miles of range and my place was only six or so miles away. Where I was staying was an apartment though and it had no charging infrastructure. Did I mention that it's now 9 p.m. and I need to return the car to Denver (90 miles away) at 6 a.m.?

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The pioneers always took the arrows.

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Here's what happens when the charging infrastructure fails you: "We experienced the nightmare that prospective EV buyers are afraid of"

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My time with the 2024 Audi Q8 e-tron was nearly up. It had conquered the mountains of Colorado over multiple days and had safely returned me to my former home of Colorado Springs. The next day I had to drive it back to Denver early in the morning where I'd part ways with it. That's when my EV nightmare began and it had nothing to do with the 402 hp steed that Audi loaned me.

I parked the Audi in one of Colorado Springs' few centrally-located DC Fast Chargingstations and went to dinner with friends. Before walking away I confirmed that the car said it was charging, the light was green, the charger itself appeared to be charging and all seemed right with the world.

When I returned nearly two hours later I saw the screen that you all do above. For the average EV owner who has a charger at their home, this might not be a big deal. The car had another 21 or so miles of range and my place was only six or so miles away. Where I was staying was an apartment though and it had no charging infrastructure. Did I mention that it's now 9 p.m. and I need to return the car to Denver (90 miles away) at 6 a.m.?

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Another "loaner" horror story to person who can't plug in at home. Not applicable to anyone who would actually buy an EV. Why do you guys keep posting the same ridiculous stories that have no relevance to the real world?

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Here's what happens when the charging infrastructure fails you: "We experienced the nightmare that prospective EV buyers are afraid of"

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My time with the 2024 Audi Q8 e-tron was nearly up. It had conquered the mountains of Colorado over multiple days and had safely returned me to my former home of Colorado Springs. The next day I had to drive it back to Denver early in the morning where I'd part ways with it. That's when my EV nightmare began and it had nothing to do with the 402 hp steed that Audi loaned me.

I parked the Audi in one of Colorado Springs' few centrally-located DC Fast Chargingstations and went to dinner with friends. Before walking away I confirmed that the car said it was charging, the light was green, the charger itself appeared to be charging and all seemed right with the world.

When I returned nearly two hours later I saw the screen that you all do above. For the average EV owner who has a charger at their home, this might not be a big deal. The car had another 21 or so miles of range and my place was only six or so miles away. Where I was staying was an apartment though and it had no charging infrastructure. Did I mention that it's now 9 p.m. and I need to return the car to Denver (90 miles away) at 6 a.m.?

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Another "loaner" horror story to person who can't plug in at home. Not applicable to anyone who would actually buy an EV. Why do you guys keep posting the same ridiculous stories that have no relevance to the real world?

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Well this topic is on a Politics board. There is some underlying political theme to the whole EV thing I guess. In the meantime I drive the hell out of mine and I don't pay for gasoline even one time. And I still think over the life of my vehicle gasoline prices will get more expensive. I may be wrong though.

Stella with The Federalist must have a long list of car and/or tech reviews, let's look:

https://thefederalist.com/author/stellamorabito/

Yeah, no. Gives me default ringtone on iPhone8 vibes.

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Before walking away I confirmed that the car said it was charging, the light was green, the charger itself appeared to be charging and all seemed right with the world.

When I returned nearly two hours later I saw the screen that you all do above.

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On a Tesla you will be given updates on your charging via your phone app. This is a non issue and yet another article about a moron that writes checks at the grocery store and just learned how to forward emails on AOL.

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

EV safety must be purchased with the lives of the early adopters. Aviation was no different.

Happy to let anyone that wants to buy a first generation Ford lightning do so, I'll wait a decade till the kinks are worked out to get mine

I'd consider a Tesla because they have been out for 10 years now, but the Fords and Chevys you cannot say the same. That is my opinion.

Yes, because the message is substantially changed if you only spent $60K on an electric vehicle you can't charge.

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Yes, because the message is substantially changed if you only spent $60K on an electric vehicle you can't charge.

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A regular F150 is $60,000

Why can't you charge it?

If one is going on the road for a "road trip" they have to do a little research to plan out the charging. Not doing so is stupid.

This is one area I really like the Tesla. The built in Nav does this for you and plots your charge stops, and how long you'll need to be at each stop. Then it will also preheat the battery before you arrive at the stops for optimal charging.

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

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Sounds like this struck a nerve.

Or he's just put out by ignorance. It happens.

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

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I installed a Tesla charger for some people that were buying my Dad's house. It was $400 for the Tesla Charger, maybe $100 for the wire, $20-$30 for the breaker, and two or three hours of my labor including pulling the SO cord. Not hard to do at all for anyone with moderate electrical experience. Even if you had to upgrade your main panel and had an electrician do all the work, you're getting ripped off if it gets anywhere near $10K.

It's pretty funny to me that a thread about 'why I will never by a BEV' constantly draws responses/scorn from BEV buyers as though it is directed at them or their decisions, which of course are just rational and smart, and they in no way want ICE vehicles to be made prohibitively expensive/banned by regulation, or to obtain approval of their decisions, or care what other people buy, or about the environment, it's just all that awesome newfangled technology and, well, how dare you!

Seriously, makes me laugh.

Anyway, yet another article/opinion.

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It's pretty funny to me that a thread about 'why I will never by a BEV' constantly draws responses/scorn from BEV buyers as though it is directed at them or their decisions, which of course are just rational and smart, and they in no way want ICE vehicles to be made prohibitively expensive/banned by regulation, or to obtain approval of their decisions, or care what other people buy, or about the environment, it's just all that awesome newfangled technology and, well, how dare you!

Seriously, makes me laugh.

Anyway, yet another article/opinion.

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Here, this should keep y'all entertained until the next article

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

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Sounds like this struck a nerve.

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Yeah, it was just a joke. Guess not everyone finds it funny!

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

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I installed a Tesla charger for some people that were buying my Dad's house. It was $400 for the Tesla Charger, maybe $100 for the wire, $20-$30 for the breaker, and two or three hours of my labor including pulling the SO cord. Not hard to do at all for anyone with moderate electrical experience. Even if you had to upgrade your main panel and had an electrician do all the work, you're getting ripped off if it gets anywhere near $10K.

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Careful, someone is about to accuse of being irresponsible and careless for simple DIY work

I had an electrician wire the charger. I'd say it was about 500 bucks. I could have done it myself but they did a much better job. I don't know what the big charger cost. It was all rolled up in the price. I opted to get the 110/220 mobile power cord and that was 500 bucks.

I know enough about electricity to know its better to call someone, especially when a union guy looking for extra cash give me such a great deal.

I don't have an EV but my brother recently got a Lightning and gave his wife his Model 3. They drove to Florida earlier this year and used the Superchargers....said it cost him like $65 there and back. He has no expectations on driving the Ford on long trips...just around Austin and taking their boat to the local lake. He didn't even bother getting the larger battery option for more range.

I really don't get the deep animosity many people have for EV's....like they're Satan incarnate.

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You can get a Lightening now for about $75,000. Hell there's one at the Ford dealership near me for $59,000. It cost me $360 to have an electrician put in a 220v outlet in my garage. This meme is stupid.

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Sounds like this struck a nerve.

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Yeah, it was just a joke. Guess not everyone finds it funny!

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The whole reason we like to say here on TexAgs that "the left can't meme" is because their memes are provably false and therefore not funny. This falls into that category. Sorry I proved you wrong and it hurt your feelers, comrade.

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Which works great up until the point the car burns the garage down overnight.

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Moot point since NTSB data shows ICE vehicles have a higher propensity to catch fire.

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Not in the garage.

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Tell that to the kids I went to elementary school with that had their Ford Expedition catch on fire in their garage and left them without a home living in a hotel for 6+ months.

https://www.autosafety.org/ford-cruise-control-deactivation-switch-recalls-and-history/

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I rented a Tesla for a week and am now sold on gas powered cars.

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1. Battery Drainage Is Stress-Inducing

In the Tesla, stress is a given. The battery drains faster than you might think. Our Model 3 had an advertised range of about 300 miles, but that's if you charge it to 100 percent (which no one does) and run it to 0 percent (which no one does). So the practical range is about 150-200 miles. We felt compelled to recharge after going just 150 miles versus refueling after about 450 miles in our Honda Accord. The battery even drained 10 percent just sitting in the driveway for about a day. Granted, we covered some distances in Washington state during our travels. But that confirms EVs are a poor choice for road trips unless you enjoy the risk of being stranded.

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7. Don't Expect the Cost of a Battery Charge to Always Be Lower than Gasoline

There are so many variables in fuel/charging costs, it's hard to know if you're getting a deal. When we tapped the "lightning bolt" image on the Tesla's touch screen, we got a list of superchargers in the region as well as the cost per kilowatt hour, which varied from about 18 cents to about 50 cents. Our cheapest total charge was around $7 and ranged up to $25. We generally didn't put more than a 50 percent charge into the car at any one time, and given the miles driven, the $25 charge was about the same as we would have paid for gas. Since there are government subsidies both for purchasing an EV and for charging, I would expect those prices to rise if everyone gets with the program and demand is up.

But pigs will fly before I buy an EV based on my Tesla experience/experiment. This conclusion is not based on a one-hour test drive but on an entire week of driving in an EV-friendly part of the country.

Granted, there are some moments of fun when driving a Tesla. "Regenerative braking" is a system that recharges the battery. So once your foot is off the accelerator, the car slows down quickly. We rarely needed to use the brake at all, even at red lights. And once you accelerate, expect a fast pick-up! The tinted glass roof was kind of cool. The seats were comfortable enough. But all in all, it was too much hassle and too much anxiety. I'm now totally sold on gas-powered vehicles.

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So here's yet another story of someone trying an EV then deciding nope. The cumulative effect of all these articles is devastating.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/23554981/why-rid-electric-car-charge-points/

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However, having driven one for three years she is now thinking of trading her Kia Niro EV in for a petrol-powered hybrid plug-in version.

Garza said that while she loves her car, she hates that she can't drive around where she lives with the confidence that she will be able to find a charge point when she needs to.

In many ways Garza's home state of California has led the way with electric cars but she says there are still problems…

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I installed a Tesla charger for some people that were buying my Dad's house. It was $400 for the Tesla Charger, maybe $100 for the wire, $20-$30 for the breaker, and two or three hours of my labor including pulling the SO cord. Not hard to do at all for anyone with moderate electrical experience. Even if you had to upgrade your main panel and had an electrician do all the work, you're getting ripped off if it gets anywhere near $10K.

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Careful, someone is about to accuse of being irresponsible and careless for simple DIY work

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I'm not a licensed electrician, but I have a professional background in Satcom servo control system electrical integration/testing and am intimately familiar with residential electrical systems from my current business. It's not a job I'd recommend for a novice, but anyone comfortable with 2 pole 240V circuits can easily get it done.

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Here's what happens when the charging infrastructure fails you: "We experienced the nightmare that prospective EV buyers are afraid of"

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My time with the 2024 Audi Q8 e-tron was nearly up. It had conquered the mountains of Colorado over multiple days and had safely returned me to my former home of Colorado Springs. The next day I had to drive it back to Denver early in the morning where I'd part ways with it. That's when my EV nightmare began and it had nothing to do with the 402 hp steed that Audi loaned me.

I parked the Audi in one of Colorado Springs' few centrally-located DC Fast Chargingstations and went to dinner with friends. Before walking away I confirmed that the car said it was charging, the light was green, the charger itself appeared to be charging and all seemed right with the world.

When I returned nearly two hours later I saw the screen that you all do above. For the average EV owner who has a charger at their home, this might not be a big deal. The car had another 21 or so miles of range and my place was only six or so miles away. Where I was staying was an apartment though and it had no charging infrastructure. Did I mention that it's now 9 p.m. and I need to return the car to Denver (90 miles away) at 6 a.m.?

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Another "loaner" horror story to person who can't plug in at home. Not applicable to anyone who would actually buy an EV. Why do you guys keep posting the same ridiculous stories that have no relevance to the real world?

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Not everyone can charge at home?

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Here's what happens when the charging infrastructure fails you: "We experienced the nightmare that prospective EV buyers are afraid of"

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My time with the 2024 Audi Q8 e-tron was nearly up. It had conquered the mountains of Colorado over multiple days and had safely returned me to my former home of Colorado Springs. The next day I had to drive it back to Denver early in the morning where I'd part ways with it. That's when my EV nightmare began and it had nothing to do with the 402 hp steed that Audi loaned me.

I parked the Audi in one of Colorado Springs' few centrally-located DC Fast Chargingstations and went to dinner with friends. Before walking away I confirmed that the car said it was charging, the light was green, the charger itself appeared to be charging and all seemed right with the world.

When I returned nearly two hours later I saw the screen that you all do above. For the average EV owner who has a charger at their home, this might not be a big deal. The car had another 21 or so miles of range and my place was only six or so miles away. Where I was staying was an apartment though and it had no charging infrastructure. Did I mention that it's now 9 p.m. and I need to return the car to Denver (90 miles away) at 6 a.m.?

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Another "loaner" horror story to person who can't plug in at home. Not applicable to anyone who would actually buy an EV. Why do you guys keep posting the same ridiculous stories that have no relevance to the real world?

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Not everyone can charge at home?

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Then don't buy an EV.